deer hunt? with a mosin? - Page 3

rondog · 03-20-2008, 07:38 PM

Where are you in Colorado, FMJ? Do you know about the public range on US40 between Kremmling and Hot Sulphur Springs? There's some long ranges there, but I'm not sure how long. Still closed for the winter and under snow last time I was by.

Cyrano · 03-20-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by just_a_car

^--Proof again that Mosins are more than capable of making 400+ (even 600) yard shots if the shooter does their part.

You could say that. The late Simo Hayha of Finland was a sniper during the Winter War of 1940 between Finland and the Soviet Union. The Soviets called him the "White Death" and in a sniper's duel reminiscent of that between Carlos Hathcock and the NVA sniper sent to nail him, killed the Russian soldier instead. Hayha had something on the order of 542 confirmed kills in just 100 days of combat, with something like 200 probables as well. He never used a scope, only the iron sights on his Finnish Mosin-Nagant Model 28; and his average kill range was 400 meters. In an interview, he said he preferred using iron sights because he didn't have to expose himself as much to take a shot.

All things considered, if I had to go into combat with a bolt action, all else being equal I think I'd take a Mosin-Nagant rifle over a Mauser 98K or even a Springfield. They're not as pretty as the other two, but lordy, do they shoot!

Geo M44 · 03-20-2008, 11:40 PM

Now the happy owner of an M39, I can tell you that the Finns crafted, rather than manufactured their rifles, and the front and rear sights are head-and-antlers above the Russian version. So I'm not surprised that Hayha (a true marksman) could shoot with the stock iron sights at several hunderd meters.

My eyes are nowhere near that good, but I can't wait to get the M39 cleaned up, finish healing, and get my butt (and the rest of me with it) out to the range.

fullMetalJack · 03-21-2008, 06:14 AM

Im in fountain colorado rondog at the time being. but from breckenridge.

texnmidwest · 03-21-2008, 06:31 AM

[/quote]All things considered, if I had to go into combat with a bolt action, all else being equal I think I'd take a Mosin-Nagant rifle over a Mauser 98K or even a Springfield. They're not as pretty as the other two, but lordy, do they shoot![/quote]

CY, I will agree that them Finn rifles can shoot. But it would be hard for me to choose any other standard military rifle of that time over my 03A3. Them things can shoot too!

billy · 03-21-2008, 06:39 AM

All things considered, if I had to go into combat with a bolt action, all else being equal I think I'd take a Mosin-Nagant rifle over a Mauser 98K or even a Springfield. They're not as pretty as the other two, but lordy, do they shoot![/quote]

CY, I will agree that them Finn rifles can shoot. But it would be hard for me to choose any other standard military rifle of that time over my 03A3. Them things can shoot too![/quote]
if i had to use a bolt from that time i would go with the enfield.

texnmidwest · 03-21-2008, 06:41 AM

Ok, Billy, now you have raised my curiosity. Why do you say that? I don't know much about Enfields.

billy · 03-21-2008, 06:46 AM

i have owned at least 1 example of every rifle you guys mentioned and the enfield is the best one IMHO.
really smooth fast, short bolt throw and more accurate than i.

TeX,
if you got a good enfield i can almost guaranty you would feel the same way.

thats whats so cool about milsurps.
you can afford to try just about all of em!

texnmidwest · 03-21-2008, 07:01 AM

It is on my wish list!

I have a Jungle Carbine. Have not shot it but it does look well made. Carbine was just in rough shape when I got. Cleaned up pretty well though. Hear a lot about wandering zeros with that model. That is why I am looking for another model as well.

billy · 03-21-2008, 07:03 AM

i have 2 one NRA perfect and one very good.
out of all my milsurps these are the most gratifiying to shoot.

texnmidwest · 03-21-2008, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by billy

i have 2 one NRA perfect and one very good.
out of all my milsurps these are the most gratifiying to shoot.

Which model would you recommend as a first...well, second Enfield?

billy · 03-21-2008, 07:25 AM

No 4 Mk no1 or 2

tex ,
i am suprised at you!
no enfield?
wassamatta u?

i thought all you milsurp nuts had one?

texnmidwest · 03-21-2008, 07:29 AM

Hey, hey ,hey...I said I have an Enfield Jungle Carbine! I just don't have TWO yet!

PROOF!

SwedeSteve · 03-21-2008, 07:33 AM

I am also intrigued by the Enfields. But I have yet to come across a nice one. Although I have yet to fire mine, I think the K-31 also meets Billy's attributes above. Another one to throw into the ring would be a Swedish Mauser.

marion57 · 03-21-2008, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy

All things considered, if I had to go into combat with a bolt action, all else being equal I think I'd take a Mosin-Nagant rifle over a Mauser 98K or even a Springfield. They're not as pretty as the other two, but lordy, do they shoot!

CY, I will agree that them Finn rifles can shoot. But it would be hard for me to choose any other standard military rifle of that time over my 03A3. Them things can shoot too![/quote]
if i had to use a bolt from that time i would go with the enfield.[/quote]

Anyone wants to go to combat with me there gonna have to come to missouri cause I leaving here again LOL

wunhunglo · 03-21-2008, 08:22 AM

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I have a Jungle Carbine. Have not shot it but it does look well made.

Tex...that's sacriledge, having a #5 and not shooting it!! You have too, even just experience the recoil & the wandering zero! Personally, I believe the wandering zero is due to the shooter waiting for the next recoil! ( I also have two)
Billy is right though, the Enfield action has to be one of the smoothest, best & fastest. Try a "Mad minute" shoot between an Enfield #4 and a Garand (at say 100 yards) and see how they compare.

More info:
The fast-operating Lee bolt-action and large magazine capacity enabled a trained rifleman to fire between 20 to 30 aimed rounds a minute, making the Lee-Enfield the fastest military bolt-action rifle of the day. The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army — Sergeant Instructor Snoxall — who placed 38 rounds into a 12" target at 300 yards in one minute.

billy · 03-21-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wunhunglo

Tex...that's sacriledge, having a #5 and not shooting it!! You have too, even just experience the recoil & the wandering zero! Personally, I believe the wandering zero is due to the shooter waiting for the next recoil! ( I also have two)
Billy is right though, the Enfield action has to be one of the smoothest, best & fastest. Try a "Mad minute" shoot between an Enfield #4 and a Garand (at say 100 yards) and see how they compare.

More info:
The fast-operating Lee bolt-action and large magazine capacity enabled a trained rifleman to fire between 20 to 30 aimed rounds a minute, making the Lee-Enfield the fastest military bolt-action rifle of the day. The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army — Sergeant Instructor Snoxall — who placed 38 rounds into a 12" target at 300 yards in one minute.

that is amazing and i believe it!

Paper · 03-21-2008, 06:19 PM

I know this is off topic, but since it's an oddball question and we're all deer hunters, I figured it'd be a good starting point..

I shot a nice doe with my Swedish Mauser, and I did almost zero damage to the hide, with just one small entry hole near the neck.
I'm looking for a place or someone that'll tan it with the hair on. It was a big deer, with a fantastic coat, and it was the first deer I've shot with a Mil-Surp gun, so it's sorta sentimental, too..

Rather than running this off topic, if you know of a good place, just fire me off a PM.. Thanks!!!

Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion..

Geo M44 · 03-21-2008, 06:33 PM

I was going to comment that the M39 looks better...

But I changed my mind.

Belay my last. Carry, on Carry on.

texnmidwest · 03-21-2008, 06:40 PM

Nope nope, not an ugly one in the batch! They ALL look good to me! Mil Surplus rifles that is.

03-21-2008, 06:14 AM	#44
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03-21-2008, 06:31 AM	#45
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,439	[/quote]All things considered, if I had to go into combat with a bolt action, all else being equal I think I'd take a Mosin-Nagant rifle over a Mauser 98K or even a Springfield. They're not as pretty as the other two, but lordy, do they shoot![/quote] CY, I will agree that them Finn rifles can shoot. But it would be hard for me to choose any other standard military rifle of that time over my 03A3. Them things can shoot too! __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-21-2008, 06:39 AM	#46
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,106 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	All things considered, if I had to go into combat with a bolt action, all else being equal I think I'd take a Mosin-Nagant rifle over a Mauser 98K or even a Springfield. They're not as pretty as the other two, but lordy, do they shoot![/quote] CY, I will agree that them Finn rifles can shoot. But it would be hard for me to choose any other standard military rifle of that time over my 03A3. Them things can shoot too![/quote] if i had to use a bolt from that time i would go with the enfield. __________________

03-21-2008, 06:41 AM	#47
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,439	Ok, Billy, now you have raised my curiosity. Why do you say that? I don't know much about Enfields. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-21-2008, 06:46 AM	#48
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,106 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	i have owned at least 1 example of every rifle you guys mentioned and the enfield is the best one IMHO. really smooth fast, short bolt throw and more accurate than i. TeX, if you got a good enfield i can almost guaranty you would feel the same way. thats whats so cool about milsurps. you can afford to try just about all of em! __________________ Last edited by billy; 03-21-2008 at 07:00 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-20-2008, 07:38 PM	#41
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 1,331	Where are you in Colorado, FMJ? Do you know about the public range on US40 between Kremmling and Hot Sulphur Springs? There's some long ranges there, but I'm not sure how long. Still closed for the winter and under snow last time I was by.

03-20-2008, 11:40 PM	#43
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,197	Now the happy owner of an M39, I can tell you that the Finns crafted, rather than manufactured their rifles, and the front and rear sights are head-and-antlers above the Russian version. So I'm not surprised that Hayha (a true marksman) could shoot with the stock iron sights at several hunderd meters. My eyes are nowhere near that good, but I can't wait to get the M39 cleaned up, finish healing, and get my butt (and the rest of me with it) out to the range.

03-21-2008, 07:01 AM	#49
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,439	It is on my wish list! I have a Jungle Carbine. Have not shot it but it does look well made. Carbine was just in rough shape when I got. Cleaned up pretty well though. Hear a lot about wandering zeros with that model. That is why I am looking for another model as well. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-21-2008, 07:03 AM	#50
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,106 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	i have 2 one NRA perfect and one very good. out of all my milsurps these are the most gratifiying to shoot. __________________

03-21-2008, 07:25 AM	#52
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,106 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	No 4 Mk no1 or 2 tex , i am suprised at you! no enfield? wassamatta u? i thought all you milsurp nuts had one? __________________ Last edited by billy; 03-21-2008 at 07:27 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-21-2008, 07:29 AM	#53
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,439	Hey, hey ,hey...I said I have an Enfield Jungle Carbine! I just don't have TWO yet! PROOF! __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead) Last edited by texnmidwest; 03-21-2008 at 07:32 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-21-2008, 07:33 AM	#54
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,347 Images: 1	I am also intrigued by the Enfields. But I have yet to come across a nice one. Although I have yet to fire mine, I think the K-31 also meets Billy's attributes above. Another one to throw into the ring would be a Swedish Mauser. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers Last edited by SwedeSteve; 03-21-2008 at 07:39 AM.

03-21-2008, 06:19 PM	#58
Paper One Buwwit Weft Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: IL/WI Border Posts: 986	I know this is off topic, but since it's an oddball question and we're all deer hunters, I figured it'd be a good starting point.. I shot a nice doe with my Swedish Mauser, and I did almost zero damage to the hide, with just one small entry hole near the neck. I'm looking for a place or someone that'll tan it with the hair on. It was a big deer, with a fantastic coat, and it was the first deer I've shot with a Mil-Surp gun, so it's sorta sentimental, too.. Rather than running this off topic, if you know of a good place, just fire me off a PM.. Thanks!!! Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.. __________________

03-21-2008, 06:33 PM	#59
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,197	I was going to comment that the M39 looks better... But I changed my mind. Belay my last. Carry, on Carry on.

03-21-2008, 06:40 PM	#60
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,439	Nope nope, not an ugly one in the batch! They ALL look good to me! Mil Surplus rifles that is. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)