M-70 or ATR-100

toolman · 03-26-2008, 08:57 PM

O.K., momma told me that I'm getting a new rifle for my B-Day but I've got a $350 cap due to current financial considerations.
I've looked all over town and have it narrowed down to either a used (looks new) Win. Mod. 70 Super Shadow with a Simmons (yuck) scope for $329.95, or a new Mossberg ATR-100 with a Mossberg-marked scope which looks like a Bushnell Banner (yuck again) for $299.00. I've looked at the Stevens 200, Savage w\Accutrigger, several used guns and these are the only two that fit my parameters. BTW they're both in .270 Win. I'm leaning to the Win., but I've never bought a brand-new gun, so that's a plus for the Mossy.
Decisions, decisions....

lefty o · 03-26-2008, 09:02 PM

myself, i would take the winchester any day of the week. its a long term proven rifle, that parts are, and will be available for a long time. the mossberg, who knows.

Mooseman684 · 03-26-2008, 09:03 PM

Winchester !!!

sell33 · 03-26-2008, 09:04 PM

WINCHESTER!!!!!!!!!

toolman · 03-26-2008, 09:11 PM

Thanks for the input guys, I think I'll go pick it up @ lunch tomorrow. I wanted a Tikka T-3 in .25-06 that I found awhile back, but they sold it this morning before I got there.

AKHunter · 03-26-2008, 09:21 PM

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myself, i would take the winchester any day of the week. its a long term proven rifle, that parts are, and will be available for a long time. the mossberg, who knows.

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Winchester !!!

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WINCHESTER!!!!!!!!!

What they said !

Midas · 03-26-2008, 09:25 PM

It's an easy decision, go with the Model 70!

toolman · 03-27-2008, 07:06 PM

Well, I got it, but I was mistaken, it's not a Super Shadow. It's just a standard Mod. 70 synthetic, but I think I'm really going to like it. I'll post pics after I eat.

toolman · 03-27-2008, 08:22 PM

O.K., here's a few pics. I did determine that it's a Black Shadow version. The more I play with it, the better I like it.

Bravo · 03-27-2008, 08:27 PM

I used to have an M-70 in .270win. It was that exact model with that exact same model Simmons Scope (the vertical windage cap isn't dented by chance? It had an accident once falling out of the truck).

I never liked the .270, mainly because I couldn't afford to shoot it as much as the 30-06. I wish that I still had it. I hope Winchester gets these new M70's out soon, I might get another.

GlockMeister · 03-27-2008, 08:34 PM

I was late in seeing this, but I'd of voted for the Winchester also. Now that you have pictures of it up, very nice toolman, very nice...

toolman · 03-27-2008, 08:37 PM

Hey B, I don't think it's the same one (that'd be a hoot, tho

). I hope to go test drive it this weekend, I've already got 40 rds loaded up and a couple of boxes of factory ammo. The scope will prolly be going bye-bye very shortly, although I'm actually impressed with the clarity so far.

GlockMeister · 03-27-2008, 08:49 PM

Hey toolman, meant to ask ya' hows the hand or was it your finger? I take it much better now? How bad was that next week of work?

toolman · 03-27-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Hey toolman, meant to ask ya' hows the hand or was it your finger? I take it much better now? How bad was that next week of work?

Thanks for asking, bro. It's still a little sore, but it wasn't as bad as expected. My hands have taken so much abuse it's not even funny, so I don't know why it surprises me when it happens.

texnmidwest · 03-27-2008, 09:00 PM

Congrats on the new toy, Toolman! I have always had a fondness for the Winchesters. Never owned one but shot a couple and liked them. I shared your suspicion of the 270 for a long time. Now, I want one.

GlockMeister · 03-27-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by toolman

Thanks for asking, bro. It's still a little sore, but it wasn't as bad as expected. My hands have taken so much abuse it's not even funny, so I don't know why it surprises me when it happens.

Not a problem there toolman. Part of being a friendly site, making friends and keeping them is to not only say things but to remember them and follow up. I would have asked about it in that post but for the life of me, I couldn't find it.

Anyhow, glad to hear it's all but healed up and you had simply a minor annoyance with use.

ArkansasHunter · 03-27-2008, 09:43 PM

toolman I'm not going to lie to you or kiss up so here goes !!! You just bought a Mighty fine rifle.
I love black synthetic stocks ! Don't have to worry about dings and it's what you need because you Hunt hard in Brush country.
You did good buddy you bought an excellent rifle !!!...A.H

scoutman · 03-27-2008, 09:59 PM

i dont exacltly know what the M- 70 is but i can tell you that you dont want the 100 ATR cuzz its not a very hi quality gun planly just sucks the bolt handle is not as tight as higher quality bolt guns are so you can unknowinly bump the handle up just a bit an it wont fire the shell cuzz the firing pin is not cocked enough and it gets very anoyin thank God mine has yet to miss fire when i had a deer in the scope i have the same model you where looking at so good thing you did not get it mine also has the mossberg scope on it now for accuracy well i have not practice enough with it so i get bad groups with it

i have shot 2 deer with it and i seem to have the worse luck i always hit them in the back spine

and when i shot my first deer i used my dad Remington 700 25-06 and got him in the heart in one shot

toolman · 03-30-2008, 08:30 PM

Well guys, here's a mini-range report on the new Win., needless to say, I'm very happy with it. The range was only 25 yds due to high winds, but here is 8 rds fired off the roof of my wifes car with the wind gusting up to 15 mph at a right angle to my firing lane.:

daniel900 · 03-31-2008, 07:39 AM

Well the Winchester is a fine rifle but a savage WILL out shoot it. IF you don't want to [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Believe that just go to a IBS shoot and see who is winning the factory class. [/font]

03-26-2008, 08:57 PM	#1
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	M-70 or ATR-100 O.K., momma told me that I'm getting a new rifle for my B-Day but I've got a $350 cap due to current financial considerations. I've looked all over town and have it narrowed down to either a used (looks new) Win. Mod. 70 Super Shadow with a Simmons (yuck) scope for $329.95, or a new Mossberg ATR-100 with a Mossberg-marked scope which looks like a Bushnell Banner (yuck again) for $299.00. I've looked at the Stevens 200, Savage w\Accutrigger, several used guns and these are the only two that fit my parameters. BTW they're both in .270 Win. I'm leaning to the Win., but I've never bought a brand-new gun, so that's a plus for the Mossy. Decisions, decisions.... __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

03-26-2008, 09:03 PM	#3
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,668 Images: 2	Winchester !!! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

03-26-2008, 09:11 PM	#5
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	Thanks for the input guys, I think I'll go pick it up @ lunch tomorrow. I wanted a Tikka T-3 in .25-06 that I found awhile back, but they sold it this morning before I got there. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

03-26-2008, 09:25 PM	#7
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,800 Images: 2 Blog Entries: 6	It's an easy decision, go with the Model 70! __________________ "Recoil lasts for a second, gravity lasts forever"

03-27-2008, 07:06 PM	#8
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	Well, I got it, but I was mistaken, it's not a Super Shadow. It's just a standard Mod. 70 synthetic, but I think I'm really going to like it. I'll post pics after I eat. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

03-26-2008, 09:02 PM	#2
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,797	myself, i would take the winchester any day of the week. its a long term proven rifle, that parts are, and will be available for a long time. the mossberg, who knows.

03-26-2008, 09:04 PM	#4
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,194	WINCHESTER!!!!!!!!!

03-27-2008, 08:27 PM	#10
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,897	I used to have an M-70 in .270win. It was that exact model with that exact same model Simmons Scope (the vertical windage cap isn't dented by chance? It had an accident once falling out of the truck). I never liked the .270, mainly because I couldn't afford to shoot it as much as the 30-06. I wish that I still had it. I hope Winchester gets these new M70's out soon, I might get another.

03-27-2008, 08:34 PM	#11
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,478	I was late in seeing this, but I'd of voted for the Winchester also. Now that you have pictures of it up, very nice toolman, very nice... __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6! Last edited by GlockMeister; 03-27-2008 at 08:43 PM.

03-27-2008, 08:37 PM	#12
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	Hey B, I don't think it's the same one (that'd be a hoot, tho ). I hope to go test drive it this weekend, I've already got 40 rds loaded up and a couple of boxes of factory ammo. The scope will prolly be going bye-bye very shortly, although I'm actually impressed with the clarity so far. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

03-27-2008, 08:49 PM	#13
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,478	Hey toolman, meant to ask ya' hows the hand or was it your finger? I take it much better now? How bad was that next week of work? __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-27-2008, 09:00 PM	#15
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,439	Congrats on the new toy, Toolman! I have always had a fondness for the Winchesters. Never owned one but shot a couple and liked them. I shared your suspicion of the 270 for a long time. Now, I want one. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

03-27-2008, 09:43 PM	#17
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,690	toolman I'm not going to lie to you or kiss up so here goes !!! You just bought a Mighty fine rifle. I love black synthetic stocks ! Don't have to worry about dings and it's what you need because you Hunt hard in Brush country. You did good buddy you bought an excellent rifle !!!...A.H

03-27-2008, 09:59 PM	#18
scoutman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nebraska Posts: 184	dont think about gettin the mossy, mossy is only good with shotguns i dont exacltly know what the M- 70 is but i can tell you that you dont want the 100 ATR cuzz its not a very hi quality gun planly just sucks the bolt handle is not as tight as higher quality bolt guns are so you can unknowinly bump the handle up just a bit an it wont fire the shell cuzz the firing pin is not cocked enough and it gets very anoyin thank God mine has yet to miss fire when i had a deer in the scope i have the same model you where looking at so good thing you did not get it mine also has the mossberg scope on it now for accuracy well i have not practice enough with it so i get bad groups with it i have shot 2 deer with it and i seem to have the worse luck i always hit them in the back spine and when i shot my first deer i used my dad Remington 700 25-06 and got him in the heart in one shot __________________ god made all man, but Samuel Colt made all man equal Last edited by scoutman; 03-27-2008 at 10:04 PM.

03-31-2008, 07:39 AM	#20
daniel900 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 22	Well the Winchester is a fine rifle but a savage WILL out shoot it. IF you don't want to [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Believe that just go to a IBS shoot and see who is winning the factory class. [/font]