mosin movie sighting

R5CYA · 03-31-2008, 11:23 AM

anyone see the three kings? on hbo last night. an iraqi kid used a mosin sniper on someone before getting blown up. funny how you notice the rifles now that ya have one.

marion57 · 03-31-2008, 11:40 AM

I have noticed them now that I collect !! a lotta SKS in movies too

SwedeSteve · 03-31-2008, 01:05 PM

I'll have to rewatch that movie! I love seeing milsurps in the movies.

ghost_raven · 03-31-2008, 01:12 PM

Yeah... it's almost a little strange to be watching "Abandoned" (one of the first 8 "After Dark" horror films) and to be admiring the Mosin Nagant while my fiance is cringing from the thing it's pointed at.

marinevet1010 · 04-02-2008, 10:40 AM

The other day I was watching a World War 2 movie... and I saw a Mosin. O.M.F.G :-P

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-02-2008, 02:13 PM

I think its funny Shultze on Hogans Heros carries a 30-40 Krag Jorgenson and not a K98.

Geo M44 · 04-02-2008, 02:51 PM

Even funnier was a cowboy in a Lone Ranger episode carrying a Enfield.

Rex in OTZ · 04-02-2008, 06:27 PM

There was a Mosin as a sniper rifle in WW II movie of the Normandy Invasion, but am having detail recall problems was it the Longest Day? Dirty Dozen? Damn I know I saw it at the time & noticed It was a Mosin in German Hands.

R5CYA · 04-02-2008, 10:45 PM

might have been the longest day. i'll have to get the dvd of that one. great flick!

rondog · 04-02-2008, 11:29 PM

Did the platoon sharpshooter in Saving Private Ryan use a Mosin? Or was it a Springfield? Been a long time since I've seen that movie, didn't know what a Mosin was then.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-02-2008, 11:44 PM

Nope Saving Ryans Privates was a Springfield. He shot it left handed too.

marinevet1010 · 04-03-2008, 12:17 AM

Lol Enemy at the Gates's weapon of the main character is... you guessed it, a Mosin. Its about vassili zaitsev, a guy in real life who killed over 400 people with a Mosin 91/30.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-03-2008, 01:23 PM

Dammm good movie too marinevet.

Cyrano · 04-03-2008, 06:16 PM

When we've kicked this topic around in the past, Kelly's Heroes has usually come up. I was skeptical about whether there was a Mosin in it, so I pulled out the DVD and scene-selected for the opening of the attack on the bank in the town, which shows the rifle best. Watch that sequence and you will get enough angles to prove beyond doubt that Private Gutowski (Richard Davalos) is using a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 rifle, complete with sniper bolt, Soviet-made scope and Soviet Mosin sniper mount.

The question that sticks in my mind is: Where and how did Gutowski ever get his hands on a M-N sniper and ammo for it? There weren't all that many of them out there at any given time, and certainly not on the Western Front! I've been trying to come up with a rationalization that enables a US Army private to carry a screamingly nonregulation weapon. Even if Gutowski were a certified sniper (an MOS that I don't think existed as such in the US Army in World War II), he'd have been using a Springfield M1903A4, not a Mosin Nagant. Try this on for size as an explanation.

It was standard practice for the Germans to pick up stocks of weapons and ammunition from countries they conquered. Nonstandard pistols, (e.g., the Kongsberg Colt .45 ACP M1911 variant built by the Norwegians) would be issued to local rear echelon troops who were in the conquered territory, because they'd be close to the ammo manufacturer. Early in the Russian campaign, the Wehrmacht ran roughshod over the Red Army and captured arms depots on the Eastern Front. That's a matter of historical record.

Now: suppose some rear echelon unit that had been doing occupation duty in, say, the Ukraine got transferred to the Western Theater. Hitler had very few first-line divisions in the West when Operation Overlord took place in June, 1944. Most of the units manning the beach defenses and pulling internal security duty were second-rate units equipped with obsolecent equipment, including captured transport and weapons. A unit sent west from similar duties on the Ostfront might well be equipped with Soviet rifles. It's also possible a German officer 'liberated' a M-N sniper and took it with him after being wounded are reassigned, though German practice was to try and keep officers in the same regiment as far as was practicable.

It's possible that Gutowski (note his name; he's Polish) could have found the M-N in, perhaps, an overrun barracks along with its ammunition, recognized it from family stories his father or grandfather told about their service in the Imperial Russian Army in the First World War (Poland was a pressganged part of Russia back then) for what it was, and appropriated it. If he knew how to use it well - and he shows he does in the sequence under discussion - a smart officer would turn a blind eye to his Russian rifle. Big Joe (Telly Savalas), his platoon sergeant, is that smart. His C.O., Captain Maitland (Hal Buckley) isn't; but he's a mediocre to bad officer anyway, who likely only was commissioned because his uncle is a general.

Of course, a far more likely explanation is the armorer on Kelly's Heroes couldn't get his hands on a Springfield M1903A4 and realized he couldn't get away with using a Model 70 or a modern sporting rifle, so he looked for any World War II-era sniper rifle he could find. The Mosin-Nagant was it. Be nice if we could ask Major Alexander Gerry, the technical advisor on the picture, what actually happened.

Rex in OTZ · 04-04-2008, 06:59 PM

Yup that is what the movie was, I guess the movie prop department was not on the ball, just some WWII rifle to fill the part!

Choco · 04-07-2008, 07:04 PM

Sniper 2,the main charecter calls a Mosin-Nagant a Mauser.
There were some Mosins in Octopussy.

Mosin Shooter · 04-07-2008, 07:11 PM

actually i just saw the movie, Enemy at the Gates. Just goes to show you how stupid the Russians were in Stalingrad, they may have won, but decimating there OWN troops is just stupid.dam communism.

The kills never failed to give you a good blood splatter at impact.
Wish they would have kept Koulikov(the guy with the metal teeth) on longer, hes great.

Dammit, these are new pants, just took them off a Captain at the 251st yeasterday"
-Koulikov

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-08-2008, 03:31 AM

Mosin what is even more incredable is after the war the Russkies killed all the top military leaders that sucsessfully defended Stalingrad. They apparently wanted to cover up the fact that the Germans got to Stalingrad. Too embarressing to the Rooskies I guess.

marion57 · 04-08-2008, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choco

Sniper 2,the main charecter calls a Mosin-Nagant a Mauser.
There were some Mosins in Octopussy.

yeah but I wasnt looking at the rifles when I saw that movie hehe

texnmidwest · 04-08-2008, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

Mosin what is even more incredable is after the war the Russkies killed all the top military leaders that sucsessfully defended Stalingrad. They apparently wanted to cover up the fact that the Germans got to Stalingrad. Too embarressing to the Rooskies I guess.

Stalin was a sick individual. So worried about a revolt that he killed who ever he thought was a threat.

03-31-2008, 11:23 AM	#1
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 646	mosin movie sighting anyone see the three kings? on hbo last night. an iraqi kid used a mosin sniper on someone before getting blown up. funny how you notice the rifles now that ya have one.

03-31-2008, 11:40 AM	#2
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,883	I have noticed them now that I collect !! a lotta SKS in movies too __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!(Charlton Heston)

03-31-2008, 01:05 PM	#3
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,394 Images: 1	I'll have to rewatch that movie! I love seeing milsurps in the movies. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-31-2008, 01:12 PM	#4
ghost_raven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 408	Yeah... it's almost a little strange to be watching "Abandoned" (one of the first 8 "After Dark" horror films) and to be admiring the Mosin Nagant while my fiance is cringing from the thing it's pointed at. __________________ The First Amendment defines America, the Second Amendment defends it.

04-02-2008, 06:27 PM	#8
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kotzebue, Alaska Posts: 441	Mosin sniper sighting There was a Mosin as a sniper rifle in WW II movie of the Normandy Invasion, but am having detail recall problems was it the Longest Day? Dirty Dozen? Damn I know I saw it at the time & noticed It was a Mosin in German Hands.

04-02-2008, 10:40 AM	#5
marinevet1010 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Goodrich, Michigan Posts: 314	The other day I was watching a World War 2 movie... and I saw a Mosin. O.M.F.G :-P

04-02-2008, 02:13 PM	#6
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,301 Images: 12	I think its funny Shultze on Hogans Heros carries a 30-40 Krag Jorgenson and not a K98.

04-02-2008, 02:51 PM	#7
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,212	Even funnier was a cowboy in a Lone Ranger episode carrying a Enfield.

04-02-2008, 10:45 PM	#9
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 646	might have been the longest day. i'll have to get the dvd of that one. great flick!

04-02-2008, 11:29 PM	#10
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 1,337	Did the platoon sharpshooter in Saving Private Ryan use a Mosin? Or was it a Springfield? Been a long time since I've seen that movie, didn't know what a Mosin was then. __________________ What she doesn't know about, doesn't piss her off.....

04-02-2008, 11:44 PM	#11
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,301 Images: 12	Nope Saving Ryans Privates was a Springfield. He shot it left handed too.

04-03-2008, 12:17 AM	#12
marinevet1010 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Goodrich, Michigan Posts: 314	Lol Enemy at the Gates's weapon of the main character is... you guessed it, a Mosin. Its about vassili zaitsev, a guy in real life who killed over 400 people with a Mosin 91/30.

04-03-2008, 01:23 PM	#13
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,301 Images: 12	Dammm good movie too marinevet.

04-03-2008, 06:16 PM	#14
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,359	When we've kicked this topic around in the past, Kelly's Heroes has usually come up. I was skeptical about whether there was a Mosin in it, so I pulled out the DVD and scene-selected for the opening of the attack on the bank in the town, which shows the rifle best. Watch that sequence and you will get enough angles to prove beyond doubt that Private Gutowski (Richard Davalos) is using a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 rifle, complete with sniper bolt, Soviet-made scope and Soviet Mosin sniper mount. The question that sticks in my mind is: Where and how did Gutowski ever get his hands on a M-N sniper and ammo for it? There weren't all that many of them out there at any given time, and certainly not on the Western Front! I've been trying to come up with a rationalization that enables a US Army private to carry a screamingly nonregulation weapon. Even if Gutowski were a certified sniper (an MOS that I don't think existed as such in the US Army in World War II), he'd have been using a Springfield M1903A4, not a Mosin Nagant. Try this on for size as an explanation. It was standard practice for the Germans to pick up stocks of weapons and ammunition from countries they conquered. Nonstandard pistols, (e.g., the Kongsberg Colt .45 ACP M1911 variant built by the Norwegians) would be issued to local rear echelon troops who were in the conquered territory, because they'd be close to the ammo manufacturer. Early in the Russian campaign, the Wehrmacht ran roughshod over the Red Army and captured arms depots on the Eastern Front. That's a matter of historical record. Now: suppose some rear echelon unit that had been doing occupation duty in, say, the Ukraine got transferred to the Western Theater. Hitler had very few first-line divisions in the West when Operation Overlord took place in June, 1944. Most of the units manning the beach defenses and pulling internal security duty were second-rate units equipped with obsolecent equipment, including captured transport and weapons. A unit sent west from similar duties on the Ostfront might well be equipped with Soviet rifles. It's also possible a German officer 'liberated' a M-N sniper and took it with him after being wounded are reassigned, though German practice was to try and keep officers in the same regiment as far as was practicable. It's possible that Gutowski (note his name; he's Polish) could have found the M-N in, perhaps, an overrun barracks along with its ammunition, recognized it from family stories his father or grandfather told about their service in the Imperial Russian Army in the First World War (Poland was a pressganged part of Russia back then) for what it was, and appropriated it. If he knew how to use it well - and he shows he does in the sequence under discussion - a smart officer would turn a blind eye to his Russian rifle. Big Joe (Telly Savalas), his platoon sergeant, is that smart. His C.O., Captain Maitland (Hal Buckley) isn't; but he's a mediocre to bad officer anyway, who likely only was commissioned because his uncle is a general. Of course, a far more likely explanation is the armorer on Kelly's Heroes couldn't get his hands on a Springfield M1903A4 and realized he couldn't get away with using a Model 70 or a modern sporting rifle, so he looked for any World War II-era sniper rifle he could find. The Mosin-Nagant was it. Be nice if we could ask Major Alexander Gerry, the technical advisor on the picture, what actually happened.

04-04-2008, 06:59 PM	#15
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kotzebue, Alaska Posts: 441	The answer Yup that is what the movie was, I guess the movie prop department was not on the ball, just some WWII rifle to fill the part!

04-07-2008, 07:04 PM	#16
Choco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 199	Sniper 2,the main charecter calls a Mosin-Nagant a Mauser. There were some Mosins in Octopussy. Last edited by Choco; 04-07-2008 at 07:09 PM.

04-07-2008, 07:11 PM	#17
Mosin Shooter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 416	actually i just saw the movie, Enemy at the Gates. Just goes to show you how stupid the Russians were in Stalingrad, they may have won, but decimating there OWN troops is just stupid.dam communism. The kills never failed to give you a good blood splatter at impact. Wish they would have kept Koulikov(the guy with the metal teeth) on longer, hes great. Dammit, these are new pants, just took them off a Captain at the 251st yeasterday" -Koulikov __________________ Save a cow, eat a vegetarian. Last edited by Mosin Shooter; 04-07-2008 at 07:13 PM.

04-08-2008, 03:31 AM	#18
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,301 Images: 12	Mosin what is even more incredable is after the war the Russkies killed all the top military leaders that sucsessfully defended Stalingrad. They apparently wanted to cover up the fact that the Germans got to Stalingrad. Too embarressing to the Rooskies I guess.