cz-52 as defense weapon?

[stalebiscuit]

what do yall think as a carry gun, i like them alot as a collectors piece already, cheap ammo to, but as far as a carry gun im unsre, there are obviously better ones out there, but there has been some debate on a few other forums and wanted to get yalls opinion

biggest thing that it has got is the decent 8 round magazine and cost effectiveness of it

the drawbacks that i see outweigh the good unless you got another point i dont know about

lets see

-bad round for defense
-reliability is questionable
-bulky, heavy (when compared)

to name a few

[NRAJOE]

There are alot more loads for them today than when they first hit the shores...HP...frangable...etc.

[phoenix79]

The biggest problem with the CZ-52 that you'll run into in a carry situation is the amount of penetration in the 7.62Tok round. Even with the Wolf JHP ammo, you're looking at the bullet likely exiting out the back of your attacker with eough velocity to hurt/kill again. That said, any gun you carry to a gunfight is better than the one you leave at home.

[knightRider]

cz 52 has more stopping power then a nine mill , and mine has always functioned flawlessly . is it my carry gun hell no , but thats because i can afford better , < i carry either a

kimber 1911 with crimson trace grips




, my xd ,


or a glock with a internal laser ,







or a s&w 686



, or well you get the picture

[Bravo]

The CZ-52 is definitely reliable enough to be used as a self defense handgun. It's trigger isn't the best, but there are worse out there.

The weakness comes in the ammo. The 7.62 is the 2nd fastest moving handgun bullet out there (next to the 5.7x28 FN round). It will go through your victim, causing great damage with good shot placement, and then keep going. A 9mm does this also, but the 7.62Tok is going to do it much worse.

My best advice would be to buy hollow point ammo. As far as I know, only wolf sells this commercially:



It can be bought here: MidwayUSA - Wolf Gold Ammunition 7.62x25mm Tokarev 85 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point Box of 50

Good Luck

cz 52 has more stopping power then a nine mill

I have trouble buying that...

At the beginning of WWII, we had 3 major autoloading handgun rounds in operation. The .45acp, the 9mm luger, and the 7.62 Tokarev. Out of these 3, 2 are being widely used around the world today. The 7.62Tok is really not.

Looking at statistics, you might think that the Tok has more stopping power. The bullet is moving at near rifle speeds out of a handgun, but it's extremely light, and penetrates way too much.

At 50ft, the Tokarev has nearly 100ft-lbs more force than the 9mm luger.

This is only going to prove true if the target eats the bullet and holds it. This rarely happens with a 9mm, and is never going to happen with a 7.62Tok. A bullet proof vest wearing assailant will eat the bullet without being severely injured due to how fragile the bullet is, and a non bullet proof wearing vest assailant will eat the bullet and pass it, leaving only a ~.3 inch hole through their body.

I'm not saying that it's a bad choice as a self defense weapon. I'd take it over the .32auto or .380auto, but I would definitely take the 9mm over the 7.62Tok. I think history has proven that by natural selection over the past ~100 years.

[knightRider]

The vz. 52 fires a particularly hot loading of the 7.62x25mm cartridge developed in Czechoslovakia, designated M48. It is often referred to simply as the "Czech Load". This is an 85 grain (5.5 g) FMJ bullet fired at 1,640 ft/s (500 m/s), 18% faster than the stated velocity of the common Soviet load. The Czechoslovak load gives both an unusually flat trajectory and a relatively high penetrative power for a handgun.
Surplus 7.62x25mm Tokarev ammo from China, Russia, Austria, Bulgaria, and the Czech Republic as well as current commercial ammo produced by Sellier & Bellot all measured 42,000 c.u.p. at the lab at Accurate Arms in 2000 by ballistician Ted Curtis. He measured the surplus Soviet ammunition the late 1990s, after the popularity of the surplus vz. 52 had started to increase, hollow-point ammunition in 7.62x25mm became available from custom shops. The pistol proved capable of handling extremely "hot" loadings, and many shops sell custom or hand-loaded ammunition.



The Makarov Page - The CZ-52

[Bravo]

I'm not trying to argue any of that data

I'm just saying; physics says that a light bullet moving helluva fast isn't going to get the job done like a much heavier moving bullet that still moves pretty darned fast. I would say that the 7.62 Tok would pass through a victim with ease at beyond 100 yards.

It's a very scary bullet, but has flaws.

EDIT: Here's a good question: What happens if one were to hand load the 7.62mm Tok with a 110 grain Remington Soft Point (used in .30 Carbine Ammo), and then cut back the powder charge slightly to make room for the longer bullet. Would this work? Would it be dangerous for the gun/shooter?

[knightRider]

i agree with all you said dude.

[squirrelbaster]

knightRider that is one nice revolver you have there. what did that cost you?

[knightRider]

450 and thank you for the complement

[squirrelbaster]

Originally Posted by knightRider

450 and thank you for the complement

wow that seems like a realy good price. wish id have found that.

[fred]

In response to Bravo I load 110 gr Speer "plinker" bullets frequently and shoot them in my CZ-52. They are intended for M-1 carbine. I also load Berry's 110 gr copper plated in a reduced load for the indoor range that I use. I see no reason the 110 gr Remington wouldn't work.

[Sins-of-Mosin]

I have a cz-52 and I wouldn't use it as a defense carry. When I look at a defense gun, I try to look at all the situations and the caliber just don't cut it for me.