1944 Tula

Geo M44 · 04-11-2008, 10:27 PM

The 1944 M44 Tula arrived from 111 Guns today (thanks again to BB for finding these for $125). It was nice to see the star on the receiver when I pulled it out of the box.

Condition is a mixed bag as is common for the genre, but all-in-all... nice. All matching stamped serials. The bore looks good, but it is counter-bored, so this rifle was used out in the field. The stock is repaired on both sides of the forward lower stock, but the arsenal did a good job and it looks more like an inlay on both sides. The good news is that it is an original M38 style stock with no indents by the rear band. It is an RGuns import, but the banner is not as bad as I thought it would be.

A pleasant surprise is that the rifle is ready to shoot, and very clean. No cosmolene and well oiled, with 99% blueing.

I will post photos tomorrow.

This completes my "mergers and aquisitions" for this year, and it will probably take me that long to clean them all.

jack007 · 04-11-2008, 10:34 PM

Sounds nice Geo. Are the rifles with the star better?

texnmidwest · 04-11-2008, 10:41 PM

Some are some arn't Jack. Tula made the m44s for a very short time only. So they are rare. This does not make them shoot better. Just can be a little more collectible.

Mooseman684 · 04-11-2008, 10:45 PM

Now I will have to watch the gunshops for one for me...Darn you !!!

Geo M44 · 04-11-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jack007

Sounds nice Geo. Are the rifles with the star better?

Theoretically, but the real significance is that they (M44's) were only made in Tula for about 18 months, so they are harder to find. A 1943 would be even better.

My goal was to own a carbine from each Russian genre and a Finn M39. I now have an M38, M44 Tula, two post war Izzy M44's (one converted to a camo stock with scout scope), an M39 VKT, and a 1937 91/30. Plus the 59/66 Yugo SKS.

All is good in the world... but still need a B barrel, a hex 91/30 and a post war M44 to put into the Richards walnut stock. Not interested in the Laminated stocks... yet.

jack007 · 04-11-2008, 10:47 PM

got it . are all mosin stocks made from 2 peices of wood or do some just look that way ?

Geo M44 · 04-11-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Now I will have to watch the gunshops for one for me...Darn you !!!

As of a few days ago 111 Guns still had 3 left.

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Originally Posted by jack007

got it . are all mosin stocks made from 2 peices of wood or do some just look that way ?

All MN's have the main stock and upper handhold, so yes, like most military rifles of the era, they are 2 piece stocks.

Geo M44 · 04-11-2008, 11:42 PM

Pictures of the new arrival.

Full Shot, Mid shot, Tula Star, Stock Cartouche, Repair (insert)

marion57 · 04-11-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Geo M44

Pictures of the new arrival.

Full Shot, Mid shot, Tula Star, Stock Cartouche, Repair (insert)

Geo Iam confused what do you mean its a M38 stock?? The pic shows a M44 stock with cyut out for bayo .. am I missing something??or are you talking about your m38???

Geo M44 · 04-12-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by marion57

Geo Iam confused what do you mean its a M38 stock?? The pic shows a M44 stock with cyut out for bayo .. am I missing something??or are you talking about your m38???

The M38 stock does not have the notches cut (on both sides) at the rear barrel band. Pictures Left=M38 type stock... Right=New stock. Idealy you would want the first picture on your M38. The new stock is a replacement stock.

In this case the first stock is the M44 Tula and the second is on a rearsenalled M38. Both should be the left picture (no notch).

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-12-2008, 12:35 AM

Is that a repair on the butt stock also?

Geo M44 · 04-12-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

Is that a repair on the butt stock also?

Yes. But very well done, and it adds some character. I would rather have a skilled repaired stock than a rearsenalled stock.

marion57 · 04-12-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Geo M44

The M38 stock does not have the notches cut (on both sides) at the rear barrel band. Pictures Left=M38 type stock... Right=New stock. Idealy you would want the first picture on your M38. The new stock is a replacement stock.

In this case the first stock is the M44 Tula and the second is on a rearsenalled M38. Both should be the left picture (no notch).

ok so its at the barrel band your talking about not the bayo cut out .I know that the first assembly line m38's or at least some of them had m44 stocks the russians didnt want to waste em .they used what they had

thanks Geo I know it confused me for a bit so wonder what it did to some of the new guys , you know like TEX LOL

Geo M44 · 04-12-2008, 12:41 AM

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Ok Tex?

texnmidwest · 04-12-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Geo M44

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Ok Tex?

Well, now that you mention it...I am a little dizzy. But I think that had more to do with wrestling that grizzly.

Geo M44 · 04-12-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by marion57

ok so its at the barrel band your talking about not the bayo cut out .I know that the first assembly line m38's or at least some of them had m44 stocks the russians didnt want to waste em .they used what they had

thanks Geo I know it confused me for a bit so wonder what it did to some of the new guys , you know like TEX LOL

I'm pretty sure that I said barrel band, but I digress, and I think it was the other way around...

The M38 preceeded the M44 (i.e. 1938 and 1944). So some of the first M44's (like my 1944 Tula) had M38 stocks (with the added recess for the bayo). The idea of the cutouts, or notch's, on both sides of later stocks was to allow better access to the rear barrel band, and those new stocks were used to replace broken stocks during rearsenal.

Those notch's/cutouts are also a clue that a M91/30 has been rearsenalled (as is the case with my 1937. Considering the pounding these rifles took in combat and just day-to-day use it's no surprise that the stocks were pretty beat up.

Hope the pictures helped.

SwedeSteve · 04-12-2008, 09:03 AM

I ddn't see any repair on the butstock? I know my eyes are bad.

Geo M44 · 04-12-2008, 09:13 AM

It's there but like I said, very well done as are the repair inserts at the front of the main stock. It shows that they were probably very short on stocks in 1944 so repair was an option.

Mosin Shooter · 04-12-2008, 09:30 AM

That means my M91/30 might actually be a M44 stock refurb........
it has the notches in both sides of the stock just behind the rear barrel band.

Wouldn't that be something!

SwedeSteve · 04-12-2008, 09:42 AM

Not likely I don't think.

04-11-2008, 10:41 PM	#3
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,459	Some are some arn't Jack. Tula made the m44s for a very short time only. So they are rare. This does not make them shoot better. Just can be a little more collectible. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

04-11-2008, 10:45 PM	#4
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Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,212	A picture is worth a thousand words. Ok Tex? __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.

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SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,372 Images: 1	I ddn't see any repair on the butstock? I know my eyes are bad. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-12-2008, 09:13 AM	#18
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,212	It's there but like I said, very well done as are the repair inserts at the front of the main stock. It shows that they were probably very short on stocks in 1944 so repair was an option. __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.

04-11-2008, 10:27 PM	#1
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,212	The 1944 M44 Tula arrived from 111 Guns today (thanks again to BB for finding these for $125). It was nice to see the star on the receiver when I pulled it out of the box. Condition is a mixed bag as is common for the genre, but all-in-all... nice. All matching stamped serials. The bore looks good, but it is counter-bored, so this rifle was used out in the field. The stock is repaired on both sides of the forward lower stock, but the arsenal did a good job and it looks more like an inlay on both sides. The good news is that it is an original M38 style stock with no indents by the rear band. It is an RGuns import, but the banner is not as bad as I thought it would be. A pleasant surprise is that the rifle is ready to shoot, and very clean. No cosmolene and well oiled, with 99% blueing. I will post photos tomorrow. This completes my "mergers and aquisitions" for this year, and it will probably take me that long to clean them all.

04-11-2008, 10:34 PM	#2
jack007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: texas Posts: 141	Sounds nice Geo. Are the rifles with the star better?

04-11-2008, 10:47 PM	#6
jack007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: texas Posts: 141	got it . are all mosin stocks made from 2 peices of wood or do some just look that way ?

04-12-2008, 12:35 AM	#11
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,298 Images: 12	Is that a repair on the butt stock also?

04-12-2008, 09:30 AM	#19
Mosin Shooter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 416	That means my M91/30 might actually be a M44 stock refurb........ it has the notches in both sides of the stock just behind the rear barrel band. Wouldn't that be something! __________________ Save a cow, eat a vegetarian.

04-12-2008, 09:42 AM	#20
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,372 Images: 1	Not likely I don't think. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers