1944 Tula - Page 2

Geo M44 · 04-12-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mosin Shooter

That means my M91/30 might actually be a M44 stock refurb........
it has the notches in both sides of the stock just behind the rear barrel band.

Wouldn't that be something!

Yeah. That would be "something"... but it isn't.

SwedeSteve · 04-12-2008, 10:14 AM

Me thinks we are getting confused!

Geo M44 · 04-12-2008, 10:32 AM

Yup. I had a feeling that Shooters humor would confuse the issue but I was hoping the pictures would help.

Basically original stocks for M38's and early M44's should not have the rear barrel band cutout on the stock.

For M91/30 I'm not sure when the barrel band cutouts were implemented. If anyone knows...

... Chime-in, as I just know the progression for carbines... or at least I think I know.

Mooseman684 · 04-12-2008, 11:01 AM

Actually the so called "Stock repair" is not a repair job I found out in research.
They were built that way for added strength for cold weather...If you look at the wood, it doesnt match the grain, so it didnt break and was glued and doweled back on...They were made that way for a reason !
Rich

SwedeSteve · 04-12-2008, 11:57 AM

Yep, that was the point I was making. But thought I couldn't see an actual repair splice. Also, this allowed for a smaller stock blank to begin with. If you take your buttplate off you can tell if it was an original, or a repair.

Geo M44 · 04-12-2008, 04:04 PM

So similar to the M39 splice...

You guys are a terrific resource. Thanks.

marion57 · 04-12-2008, 05:44 PM

I have heard this m38 stock debate every since I bought my first rifle!! If it was built with a m44 stock at the factory doesnt it make it correct?? If it was built at the factory with a cut out doesnt it make it correct You get my point?? the orignal design I argee had no cut out and no bayo groove but it dont make it correct !! It makes it correct to design only.. The word correct is confusing to a lot of newer collectors as well as some of us older ones. Now I will go to my corner

texnmidwest · 04-12-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by marion57

I have heard this m38 stock debate every since I bought my first rifle!! If it was built with a m44 stock at the factory doesnt it make it correct?? If it was built at the factory with a cut out doesnt it make it correct You get my point?? the orignal design I argee had no cut out and no bayo groove but it dont make it correct !! It makes it correct to design only.. The word correct is confusing to a lot of newer collectors as well as some of us older ones. Now I will go to my corner

I know what you are saying Marion. What they mean is that when the m38s were refurbished the arsenal did not have m38 stocks so when they restocked the rifles they put on the abundant but proper sized stock...the m44. I think where "correct" comes into play is that there is a difference between one that fits and the one that was designed for the rifle. The one that was designed for it is the correct style stock.

What surprises me is that I do not hear anything about 91/59s sporting m44 stocks. Are they the wrong dimentions?

You may come out of your corner now. That was a good point and comment.

SwedeSteve · 04-12-2008, 06:58 PM

I'm too tired (lucky for you) to rehash this debate. Go to you know where and spend some time reading up on stock deviations. Also, if you look at production time lines, it should clear it all up. I have to get ready to go celebrate my youngest's 18th birthday!!! YeeHaw! I woke her up this A.M. with a birthday card and a suitcase, LOL! She kept the card, and gave me back the luggage!!!! Bummer!

marion57 · 04-12-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by texnmidwest

I know what you are saying Marion. What they mean is that when the m38s were refurbished the arsenal did not have m38 stocks so when they restocked the rifles they put on the abundant but proper sized stock...the m44. I think where "correct" comes into play is that there is a difference between one that fits and the one that was designed for the rifle. The one that was designed for it is the correct style stock.

What surprises me is that I do not hear anything about 91/59s sporting m44 stocks. Are they the wrong dimentions?

You may come out of your corner now. That was a good point and comment.

Tex I am talking about when they were first built !!

texnmidwest · 04-12-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by marion57

Tex I am talking about when they were first built !!

Oh, OK. Then I see your point.

Swede, That is a wonderful day!!! Congrats on almost surviving the teen years! I am still struggling. Pray for me...I have a 15 year old that is trying to kill me. Yes, she is a girl. The boys at 15 were MUCH easier. Funny thing is that when they DO accept that luggage after a couple weeks you want them and that luggage to come back home.

Geo M44 · 04-12-2008, 08:14 PM

Well... I thought I had it figgerd out, as far as the carbines go, and the barrel band slot as being a later addition.

I bow to the experts.

I've already been through 3 teen year adventures, actually getting progressively better, except "the dark years" with my daughter.
The youngest just hit the quarter century mark and all is well with all... for now.

It does get better... eventually.

SwedeSteve · 04-13-2008, 10:32 AM

The dinner went well, all had a great time. They embarassed her by singing to her. I love it! LOL! She asked for $ over gifts. She got plenty. I gave her a choice; a Mosin M44 or $100. She thought about it for quite some time and settled on the cash. I asked her why she had to think about it. She said "if I had a Mosin, and if someone proposed to me, I could give him a Mosin as an engagement gift!" Now you wanna talk sneaky! Talk about entrapment, LOL!

just_a_car · 04-13-2008, 07:54 PM

Sounds like you trained her too well there, SS!

texnmidwest · 04-13-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

The dinner went well, all had a great time. They embarassed her by singing to her. I love it! LOL! She asked for $ over gifts. She got plenty. I gave her a choice; a Mosin M44 or $100. She thought about it for quite some time and settled on the cash. I asked her why she had to think about it. She said "if I had a Mosin, and if someone proposed to me, I could give him a Mosin as an engagement gift!" Now you wanna talk sneaky! Talk about entrapment, LOL!

Sounds like that girl is not only smart but a chip off the old block!

Mooseman684 · 04-13-2008, 08:59 PM

I'm glad he didn't Blame ME for her saying That !!!! LOL
Rich

SwedeSteve · 04-13-2008, 10:32 PM

Now that you mention it!!!!!!

marion57 · 04-14-2008, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

The dinner went well, all had a great time. They embarassed her by singing to her. I love it! LOL! She asked for $ over gifts. She got plenty. I gave her a choice; a Mosin M44 or $100. She thought about it for quite some time and settled on the cash. I asked her why she had to think about it. She said "if I had a Mosin, and if someone proposed to me, I could give him a Mosin as an engagement gift!" Now you wanna talk sneaky! Talk about entrapment, LOL!

gee steve I thought you were a old codger LOL I didnt start my family till I was in my late 30's and there all over 22 except one and i had 5

Your still a pup hehe

SwedeSteve · 04-14-2008, 03:48 AM

I'm 52. I do not think that's a "pup". Now, along side a few of you guys, Jimmy Durante is wet behind the ears! Ha!

marion57 · 04-14-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

I'm 52. I do not think that's a "pup". Now, along side a few of you guys, Jimmy Durante is wet behind the ears! Ha!

Darn I cant even remember 52

04-12-2008, 10:14 AM	#22
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,261 Images: 1	Me thinks we are getting confused! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-12-2008, 10:32 AM	#23
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,161	Yup. I had a feeling that Shooters humor would confuse the issue but I was hoping the pictures would help. Basically original stocks for M38's and early M44's should not have the rear barrel band cutout on the stock. For M91/30 I'm not sure when the barrel band cutouts were implemented. If anyone knows... ... Chime-in, as I just know the progression for carbines... or at least I think I know. __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.

04-12-2008, 11:01 AM	#24
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,632 Images: 2	Actually the so called "Stock repair" is not a repair job I found out in research. They were built that way for added strength for cold weather...If you look at the wood, it doesnt match the grain, so it didnt break and was glued and doweled back on...They were made that way for a reason ! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-12-2008, 11:57 AM	#25
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,261 Images: 1	Yep, that was the point I was making. But thought I couldn't see an actual repair splice. Also, this allowed for a smaller stock blank to begin with. If you take your buttplate off you can tell if it was an original, or a repair. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-12-2008, 04:04 PM	#26
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,161	So similar to the M39 splice... You guys are a terrific resource. Thanks. __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.

04-12-2008, 05:44 PM	#27
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,863	I have heard this m38 stock debate every since I bought my first rifle!! If it was built with a m44 stock at the factory doesnt it make it correct?? If it was built at the factory with a cut out doesnt it make it correct You get my point?? the orignal design I argee had no cut out and no bayo groove but it dont make it correct !! It makes it correct to design only.. The word correct is confusing to a lot of newer collectors as well as some of us older ones. Now I will go to my corner __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!(Charlton Heston)

04-12-2008, 06:58 PM	#29
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,261 Images: 1	I'm too tired (lucky for you) to rehash this debate. Go to you know where and spend some time reading up on stock deviations. Also, if you look at production time lines, it should clear it all up. I have to get ready to go celebrate my youngest's 18th birthday!!! YeeHaw! I woke her up this A.M. with a birthday card and a suitcase, LOL! She kept the card, and gave me back the luggage!!!! Bummer! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-12-2008, 08:14 PM	#32
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,161	Well... I thought I had it figgerd out, as far as the carbines go, and the barrel band slot as being a later addition. I bow to the experts. I've already been through 3 teen year adventures, actually getting progressively better, except "the dark years" with my daughter. The youngest just hit the quarter century mark and all is well with all... for now. It does get better... eventually. __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away. Last edited by Geo M44; 04-12-2008 at 08:21 PM.

04-13-2008, 10:32 AM	#33
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,261 Images: 1	The dinner went well, all had a great time. They embarassed her by singing to her. I love it! LOL! She asked for $ over gifts. She got plenty. I gave her a choice; a Mosin M44 or $100. She thought about it for quite some time and settled on the cash. I asked her why she had to think about it. She said "if I had a Mosin, and if someone proposed to me, I could give him a Mosin as an engagement gift!" Now you wanna talk sneaky! Talk about entrapment, LOL! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-13-2008, 07:54 PM	#34
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,504	Sounds like you trained her *too well* there, SS! __________________

04-13-2008, 08:59 PM	#36
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,632 Images: 2	I'm glad he didn't Blame ME for her saying That !!!! LOL Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-13-2008, 10:32 PM	#37
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,261 Images: 1	Now that you mention it!!!!!! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-14-2008, 03:48 AM	#39
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,261 Images: 1	I'm 52. I do not think that's a "pup". Now, along side a few of you guys, Jimmy Durante is wet behind the ears! Ha! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers