malfuntions malfunctions malfunctions!

whirlwind · 04-13-2008, 03:13 PM

hey guys, man my carbine is acting up bad and im at a loss! when i fire it either it stove pipes the spent case and jams or the bolt will cycle back and slam forward without picking up a fresh round...ive cleaned it till i cant see straight,greased every slide and oiled every moving part,but nothing has worked...ive checked the springs and they seem as stiff as other carbines ive seen...ive cleaned the piston and its orfice but still no luck! i thought it may be my mags so i went and bought a couple differant kinds at the gunshow...no help! im at my wits end here guys,any advice will be welcome!!! thanks!...mark

oh! and if it helps to know, its a standard products model

Mooseman684 · 04-13-2008, 08:12 PM

Sounds like its Worn Out...You can send it to me for Disposal ....LOL
Worn parts, loose Magazines, weak springs, chipped ejector ...It could be a number of things and impossible to diagnose on the Internet...
Rich

jimb2 · 04-13-2008, 09:24 PM

Sounds like a broken extractor lip to me. Try replacing the extractor. Check the ejector while you have the bolt apart. That could also be the source of the problem.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-13-2008, 11:28 PM

Ok what do you mean by stovepipe?

GlockMeister · 04-13-2008, 11:43 PM

Means the empty case is sticking straight up in the action/chamber area. Either open or primer end up...

A broken extractor lip or worn ejector might explain the lack of grabbing another/next round, but I don't think it explains the stovepiping. I'd have to agree with mooseman as there's many reason for the cause of both from bad ammo to worn parts and as he stated, it's hard to diagnose on the internet.

Take it or ship it to a qualified reputable gun smith. MHO anyhow...

jimb2 · 04-14-2008, 12:21 AM

Actually it does explain some stovepiping. The rim slips out from under the extractor and the ejector flips the case straight up instead of to the side. Stovepiping is common with broken extractor lips and is one of the most common symptoms. And for whatever it is worth, I am a carbine smith........

04-13-2008, 03:13 PM	#1
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,737 Images: 1	malfuntions malfunctions malfunctions! hey guys, man my carbine is acting up bad and im at a loss! when i fire it either it stove pipes the spent case and jams or the bolt will cycle back and slam forward without picking up a fresh round...ive cleaned it till i cant see straight,greased every slide and oiled every moving part,but nothing has worked...ive checked the springs and they seem as stiff as other carbines ive seen...ive cleaned the piston and its orfice but still no luck! i thought it may be my mags so i went and bought a couple differant kinds at the gunshow...no help! im at my wits end here guys,any advice will be welcome!!! thanks!...mark oh! and if it helps to know, its a standard products model __________________ De oppresso liber ! Last edited by whirlwind; 04-13-2008 at 03:14 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

04-13-2008, 08:12 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,668 Images: 2	Sounds like its Worn Out...You can send it to me for Disposal ....LOL Worn parts, loose Magazines, weak springs, chipped ejector ...It could be a number of things and impossible to diagnose on the Internet... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-13-2008, 09:24 PM	#3
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	Sounds like a broken extractor lip to me. Try replacing the extractor. Check the ejector while you have the bolt apart. That could also be the source of the problem. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

04-13-2008, 11:28 PM	#4
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,293 Images: 12	Ok what do you mean by stovepipe? __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

04-13-2008, 11:43 PM	#5
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,483	Means the empty case is sticking straight up in the action/chamber area. Either open or primer end up... A broken extractor lip or worn ejector might explain the lack of grabbing another/next round, but I don't think it explains the stovepiping. I'd have to agree with mooseman as there's many reason for the cause of both from bad ammo to worn parts and as he stated, it's hard to diagnose on the internet. Take it or ship it to a qualified reputable gun smith. MHO anyhow... __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

04-14-2008, 12:21 AM	#6
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	Actually it does explain some stovepiping. The rim slips out from under the extractor and the ejector flips the case straight up instead of to the side. Stovepiping is common with broken extractor lips and is one of the most common symptoms. And for whatever it is worth, I am a carbine smith........ __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...