22 Long

Sooner Shooter · 04-16-2008, 09:29 PM

I didn't think they made these anymore. I was looking at Midway and they have them! I remember shooting them as a kid but I sure thought they quit making them. CCI's I believe for about $4 a 100. They're a little like the 16 guage I own. Is there a place for them? I do love my 16 though!

Edit: After checking Midway again they are $8 a 100 not $4 so they're a little pricey!

meatloaf · 04-17-2008, 01:21 AM

Uhhhhh what? are you meaning 22 long rifle?

Big Dog · 04-17-2008, 04:55 AM

It's been decades since I've come across real .22 LONG - Yeah, it's shorter than the LR we all know and love!
No reason it shouldn't do well for the same shooting most folks use .22LR for - fairly close, paper punching, tin cans and wee critters! Any good bolt rifle can handle it - I wouldn't run it through most semiautos though, unless you have a Remmy 550-1 or other than has the floating chamber.

Taurus Fan · 04-17-2008, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by meatloaf

Uhhhhh what? are you meaning 22 long rifle?

The .22 long is a long rifle case loaded with the 29 grain 22 short bullet. I'm not sure what their application is. They're not loaded to hyper-velocity performance, so what's the point of them? More powerful than the short, but less than the long rifle, it's been an obsolete cartridge for many years. It doesn't really fill any niche that I can see.

Sooner Shooter · 04-17-2008, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Taurus Fan

The .22 long is a long rifle case loaded with the 29 grain 22 short bullet. I'm not sure what their application is. They're not loaded to hyper-velocity performance, so what's the point of them? More powerful than the short, but less than the long rifle, it's been an obsolete cartridge for many years. It doesn't really fill any niche that I can see.

So were the Longs I remember as a kid different than what Midway is selling. Were the cases a different length back then. I mention this because BigDog referred to real Longs. I tried and tried to send the link from Midway showng a box of Longs but as usual I failed.

Taurus Fan · 04-17-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sooner Shooter

So were the Longs I remember as a kid different than what Midway is selling. Were the cases a different length back then. I mention this because BigDog referred to real Longs. I tried and tried to send the link from Midway showng a box of Longs but as usual I failed.

No, the cases were the same length, he was (I think) refering to the cartridge length. .22 Long's are shorter than the long rifle because of the 22 short bullet used.

andrew cochran · 04-17-2008, 10:37 AM

MidwayUSA - CCI Ammunition 22 Long 29 Grain Lead Round Nose Box of 100

I tried them out a while back seem pretty much like the longs used to shoot, just not as dirty.

big boomer · 04-17-2008, 10:47 AM

The old longs were the less powerful shell for the cheap 22's and for those who wanted less power than a long rifle. I still have a couple that are 40 or 50 years old.

andrew cochran · 04-17-2008, 10:58 AM

They were nice for plinking.

Cyrille · 04-17-2008, 11:24 AM

I have used .22 shorts in my single shot and .22 longrifle also. Can't say I ever used .22 longs though. My new Savage Mark II recomends using .22 longrifle bullets only. I remember .22 shorts being rather cheap $0.45 a box but that was back in the 1950s.

andrew cochran · 04-17-2008, 11:27 AM

I used to shoot a lot of shorts because they were cheaper. I go collect a bag of wiskey bottles and throw them on at a time in the river and shoot them before they floated away.

musicmaniac · 04-17-2008, 11:32 AM

Here is a pic I found on the net. On the left is a .22 short hollow point, in the middle is a .22 long with a solid bullet, and on the right is the .22 long rifle with a hollow point.

andrew cochran · 04-17-2008, 11:39 AM

Now why can't they put more powder in the long and you would have a really fast round.

Taurus Fan · 04-17-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew cochran

Now why can't they put more powder in the long and you would have a really fast round.

That's the whole idea behind the hyper-velocity .22 long rifles, which is basically what they are doing with a light bullet. The longs are meant to be more sedate for whatever reason.

rondog · 04-17-2008, 05:17 PM

Man, I haven't seen .22 Longs in years, but I haven't really looked for them either. I still have several boxes of Shorts, they're not very old. I actually have a cheap p.o.s. revolver that only shoots Shorts.

sell33 · 04-17-2008, 05:30 PM

my uncle hunts with 22 longs regularly, he has an old pump gun that only takes longs. he hunts coon mostly with it and they are usually pretty tough, at least ones i have seen

Taurus Fan · 04-17-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sell33

my uncle hunts with 22 longs regularly, he has an old pump gun that only takes longs. he hunts coon mostly with it and they are usually pretty tough, at least ones i have seen

That's a new one, never heard of a gun chambered only for the 22 long.

andrew cochran · 04-18-2008, 08:34 AM

I think those guns can't stand a high pressure load so they need shorts or longs.

BPierce · 04-19-2008, 12:11 AM

As I remember from when I was growing up in the 50s, It was said that shooting a lot of shorts in your 22 would "ring the chamber". That is the chamber would develop a ring at the mouth of the short case and then you would have extraction problems with LR rounds. For that reason people who wanted a less powerful round used longs. I shot many thousands of shorts through my 22. My grandson has it now and it has no ring in the chamber.

I think the real reason for "longs" was that "shorts" don't work well through some actions and although "longs" don't work in all LR guns, they will work in many.

Fatstrat · 04-19-2008, 09:49 AM

The .22 Long was just a step in .22 cartridge evolution. The 1st commercial .22 round was the Short. Then of course someone decided that a more powerfull round was needed. Thus came the .22 Long. A longer case w/more powder and same size bullet. With it's introuction, many guns were chambered for it. Which could also use the .22 Short round as well.
Then came the .22 Long Rifle. Which basically made the Long obsolete. The .22 short still had a market as a gallery round. Or in situations where a low powered round was suited. But for instances where a higher powered round was called for, the Long Rifle did the job better than the LONG. And soon became the industry standard round.
But due to the relative longivity of .22 rifles, many old still guns were still in use that were chambered for the Long that wouldn't accept the LR. . And since it could still be used w/most Long Rifle guns, production continued for many years.
But nowdays it's pretty much totally obsolete and has been discontinued by most Ammo MFG'ers. And if you still have a working .22 LONG chambered gun, or just want a mid-range power, you'll pay extra for it.

04-16-2008, 09:29 PM	#1
Sooner Shooter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 593 Trader Rating: (0)	22 Long I didn't think they made these anymore. I was looking at Midway and they have them! I remember shooting them as a kid but I sure thought they quit making them. CCI's I believe for about $4 a 100. They're a little like the 16 guage I own. Is there a place for them? I do love my 16 though! Edit: After checking Midway again they are $8 a 100 not $4 so they're a little pricey! __________________ Save the drama for your mama!

04-17-2008, 04:55 AM	#3
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,067 Trader Rating: (0)	It's been decades since I've come across real .22 LONG - Yeah, it's shorter than the LR we all know and love! No reason it shouldn't do well for the same shooting most folks use .22LR for - fairly close, paper punching, tin cans and wee critters! Any good bolt rifle can handle it - I wouldn't run it through most semiautos though, unless you have a Remmy 550-1 or other than has the floating chamber. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

04-17-2008, 10:37 AM	#7
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 1,904 Trader Rating: (1)	MidwayUSA - CCI Ammunition 22 Long 29 Grain Lead Round Nose Box of 100 I tried them out a while back seem pretty much like the longs used to shoot, just not as dirty. __________________ If you don't have anything good to say... Don't say it!

04-17-2008, 10:58 AM	#9
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 1,904 Trader Rating: (1)	They were nice for plinking. __________________ If you don't have anything good to say... Don't say it!

04-17-2008, 11:27 AM	#11
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 1,904 Trader Rating: (1)	I used to shoot a lot of shorts because they were cheaper. I go collect a bag of wiskey bottles and throw them on at a time in the river and shoot them before they floated away. __________________ If you don't have anything good to say... Don't say it!

04-17-2008, 01:21 AM	#2
meatloaf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lakewood CO Posts: 863 Trader Rating: (0)	Uhhhhh what? are you meaning 22 long rifle?

04-17-2008, 10:47 AM	#8
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 752 Trader Rating: (0)	The old longs were the less powerful shell for the cheap 22's and for those who wanted less power than a long rifle. I still have a couple that are 40 or 50 years old.

04-17-2008, 11:24 AM	#10
Cyrille Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 1,737 Trader Rating: (0)	I have used .22 shorts in my single shot and .22 longrifle also. Can't say I ever used .22 longs though. My new Savage Mark II recomends using .22 longrifle bullets only. I remember .22 shorts being rather cheap $0.45 a box but that was back in the 1950s.

04-17-2008, 11:32 AM	#12
musicmaniac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 457 Trader Rating: (0)	Here is a pic I found on the net. On the left is a .22 short hollow point, in the middle is a .22 long with a solid bullet, and on the right is the .22 long rifle with a hollow point. __________________ A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. -- Sigmund Freud

04-17-2008, 11:39 AM	#13
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 1,904 Trader Rating: (1)	Now why can't they put more powder in the long and you would have a really fast round. __________________ If you don't have anything good to say... Don't say it!

04-17-2008, 05:17 PM	#15
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 1,238 Trader Rating: (0)	Man, I haven't seen .22 Longs in years, but I haven't really looked for them either. I still have several boxes of Shorts, they're not very old. I actually have a cheap p.o.s. revolver that only shoots Shorts. __________________ What she doesn't know about, doesn't piss her off.....

04-17-2008, 05:30 PM	#16
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,041 Trader Rating: (0)	my uncle hunts with 22 longs regularly, he has an old pump gun that only takes longs. he hunts coon mostly with it and they are usually pretty tough, at least ones i have seen

04-18-2008, 08:34 AM	#18
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 1,904 Trader Rating: (1)	I think those guns can't stand a high pressure load so they need shorts or longs. __________________ If you don't have anything good to say... Don't say it!

04-19-2008, 12:11 AM	#19
BPierce Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minnesota (Becker County) Posts: 140 Trader Rating: (0)	As I remember from when I was growing up in the 50s, It was said that shooting a lot of shorts in your 22 would "ring the chamber". That is the chamber would develop a ring at the mouth of the short case and then you would have extraction problems with LR rounds. For that reason people who wanted a less powerful round used longs. I shot many thousands of shorts through my 22. My grandson has it now and it has no ring in the chamber. I think the real reason for "longs" was that "shorts" don't work well through some actions and although "longs" don't work in all LR guns, they will work in many.

04-19-2008, 09:49 AM	#20
Fatstrat Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 84 Trader Rating: (0)	The .22 Long was just a step in .22 cartridge evolution. The 1st commercial .22 round was the Short. Then of course someone decided that a more powerfull round was needed. Thus came the .22 Long. A longer case w/more powder and same size bullet. With it's introuction, many guns were chambered for it. Which could also use the .22 Short round as well. Then came the .22 Long Rifle. Which basically made the Long obsolete. The .22 short still had a market as a gallery round. Or in situations where a low powered round was suited. But for instances where a higher powered round was called for, the Long Rifle did the job better than the LONG. And soon became the industry standard round. But due to the relative longivity of .22 rifles, many old still guns were still in use that were chambered for the Long that wouldn't accept the LR. . And since it could still be used w/most Long Rifle guns, production continued for many years. But nowdays it's pretty much totally obsolete and has been discontinued by most Ammo MFG'ers. And if you still have a working .22 LONG chambered gun, or just want a mid-range power, you'll pay extra for it.