Florida Open Carry

RockB · 04-20-2008, 05:35 PM

Not sure if it will do any good or not but I created a site to collect names to send with a petition to Florida governor, house and senate members requesting they consider allowing Open Carry in Florida. If you are a resident of Florida and you want to please go to Florida Open Carry Petition and sign.

FishingFather · 04-20-2008, 06:03 PM

Signed up. Number 11.

just_a_car · 04-20-2008, 07:12 PM

I would suggest going to the Florida forum over on OpenCarry.org and talking to those guys. I'm sure they'd all love to sign up!

RockB · 04-20-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by just_a_car

I would suggest going to the Florida forum over on OpenCarry.org and talking to those guys. I'm sure they'd all love to sign up!

Thanks. It started there.

Florida OC Proposed to Senator and Rep - Florida - Stories From The States - OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum

Phil Lozano · 04-26-2008, 02:05 PM

I will check it out thanks !

While you are at it, you should have them amend F.S. 784.021 by adding a new subsection to say something like;

No person who is convicted or found guilty of aggravated assault shall be subject to a mandatory minimum sentence, where said person establishes by preponderance of the evidence that 1) the display of such weapon was made upon the actual belief, even if unreasonable, that the other person was engaged in the imminent commission or attempted to commit a forcible felony, and 2) if the weapon displayed was designed to expel a projectile, that said projectile was not discharged.

Because as it is now if someone punches you in the face and breaks your nose then backs off, and you pull a weapon and the Cops show up, you may have to defend yourself in court, . . . . . and if found guilty by 12 people that were NOT there, or could be a bit anti-gun, you are off to jail for 3 years, even if the judge thinks that the sentence is excessive. He has no choice in the matter, as there is a mandatory minimum sentence that goes along with a guilty verdict.

Thats what we need to have changed, IMO, more than the exposed carry.

JMO

Best,

Willis_Rudy · 05-13-2008, 02:05 AM

signed up! #18

GlockMeister · 05-13-2008, 02:40 AM

Personally, I'd rather no one know I'm carrying. Prefer not bringing any extra attention to myself. Why advertise? But that's just me...lol

Big Dog · 05-13-2008, 05:02 AM

Number 37 here. Hope it takes off.

Scouse · 05-13-2008, 06:09 AM

Would some one be so kind as to point out to me the advantage of open carry?

Phil Lozano · 05-13-2008, 07:37 AM

Personally, I think the following is quite a bit more important.

As it stands now, if you pull a gun where you may think you need to (but do not fire a shot), and end up in court, if found guilty by people that were not there . . . . . . . . . . . . . . you are off to jail. Say good bye to your job and more than likely your house. What would your family do if you were off to jail for 3 years ?

Don't believe me, OK, look it up for yourself. Mandatory sentencing has taken any "judgement" out of the Judges hands, no matter how minor the end result of the confrontation was.

Your thoughts ?

Best,
Phil

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Originally Posted by Phil Lozano

I will check it out thanks !

While you are at it, you should have them amend F.S. 784.021 by adding a new subsection to say something like;

No person who is convicted or found guilty of aggravated assault shall be subject to a mandatory minimum sentence, where said person establishes by preponderance of the evidence that 1) the display of such weapon was made upon the actual belief, even if unreasonable, that the other person was engaged in the imminent commission or attempted to commit a forcible felony, and 2) if the weapon displayed was designed to expel a projectile, that said projectile was not discharged.

Because as it is now if someone punches you in the face and breaks your nose then backs off, and you pull a weapon and the Cops show up, you may have to defend yourself in court, . . . . . and if found guilty by 12 people that were NOT there, or could be a bit anti-gun, you are off to jail for 3 years, even if the judge thinks that the sentence is excessive. He has no choice in the matter, as there is a mandatory minimum sentence that goes along with a guilty verdict.

Thats what we need to have changed, IMO, more than the exposed carry.

JMO

Best,

RockB · 05-13-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Scouse

Would some one be so kind as to point out to me the advantage of open carry?

Say you are carrying concealed. You go to the grocery store. You see a little old lady trying to pick up something she dropped. You bend over to pick it up for her because you are a nice guy. Your shirt rides up high revealing your weapon. Some deranged anti-gun nut sees it goes crazy, calls the police.

With no open carry permitted, best case scenario you loose your CCW license. Worst case you are in jail.

just_a_car · 05-13-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scouse

Would some one be so kind as to point out to me the advantage of open carry?

You wouldn't believe how many people I've educated on their firearms rights that weren't aware of them due to lack of education (not their own fault, I blame our current anti-gun society) that were just curious about me carrying openly and if it was legal.

Willis_Rudy · 05-14-2008, 04:45 AM

honestly I think it goes as far as a personal preference for open carry...for instance if a criminal sees a gun hanging off your side he might think twice before doing something stupid or not...but open carry can also make it that much easier for them to disarm you.....personally I would like to see it passed so that open carry is a viable option.

Phil Lozano · 05-19-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flcaptainbill

Say you are carrying concealed. You go to the grocery store. You see a little old lady trying to pick up something she dropped. You bend over to pick it up for her because you are a nice guy. Your shirt rides up high revealing your weapon. Some deranged anti-gun nut sees it goes crazy, calls the police.

With no open carry permitted, best case scenario you loose your CCW license. Worst case you are in jail.

Yes and no. There is no test case regarding accidentally unconcealed weapons. However, common sense would win out, IMO, as the non-concealment was unintentional.

If you had a shoulder holster, and it broke while you were in the store and your gun fell out on the floor through no fault of your own, you would be in the same boat and I doubt if you would be convicted or even arrested.

Additionally, what if you have your handgun in your belt and your shirt tucked in over it (stupid move, but) and you moved so that your shirt is pressed tightly against your gun, so it "prints" and is then viewed by someone.

You can make up many situations that could be viewed as accidental and would not be your "fault".

I am not a lawyer, but the following guy is.

This lawyer covers this, and many other things in his book (which he updates via his web site).

IMO, anyone that carries concealed should have his book.

Orlando Criminal Lawyer: Imperfect Self Defense and Florida Law

Best,
Phil

Sport717 · 05-25-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scouse

Would some one be so kind as to point out to me the advantage of open carry?

The reason for open carry is,in my opinion,as follows. No matter how good you are on your best day,when confronted by someone who has all intentions of doing you bodily harm,you will be only half as good.Therefore why fumble with a concealed weapon.Every half second counts.

Mike Franklin · 05-25-2008, 03:28 PM

The best reason for concealed carry is, who ya gonna rob, rape or assault if you don't know who's got a gun.

just_a_car · 05-25-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Franklin

The best reason for concealed carry is, who ya gonna rob, rape or assault if you don't know who's got a gun.

So, are you gunna rob the guy that might have a gun or the guy that obviously has a gun?

04-20-2008, 07:12 PM	#3
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,414 Trader Rating: (0)	I would suggest going to the Florida forum over on OpenCarry.org and talking to those guys. I'm sure they'd all love to sign up! __________________

04-26-2008, 02:05 PM	#5
Phil Lozano Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: June-Dec. Arusha, TZ~Dec.-June PSL, FL. Posts: 188 Trader Rating: (0)	I will check it out thanks ! While you are at it, you should have them amend F.S. 784.021 by adding a new subsection to say something like; No person who is convicted or found guilty of aggravated assault shall be subject to a mandatory minimum sentence, where said person establishes by preponderance of the evidence that 1) the display of such weapon was made upon the actual belief, even if unreasonable, that the other person was engaged in the imminent commission or attempted to commit a forcible felony, and 2) if the weapon displayed was designed to expel a projectile, that said projectile was not discharged. Because as it is now if someone punches you in the face and breaks your nose then backs off, and you pull a weapon and the Cops show up, you may have to defend yourself in court, . . . . . and if found guilty by 12 people that were NOT there, or could be a bit anti-gun, you are off to jail for 3 years, even if the judge thinks that the sentence is excessive. He has no choice in the matter, as there is a mandatory minimum sentence that goes along with a guilty verdict. Thats what we need to have changed, IMO, more than the exposed carry. JMO Best, __________________ Phil Lozano Phil Lozano Tanzania Trophy Expeditions

05-13-2008, 02:40 AM	#7
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,936 Trader Rating: (0)	Personally, I'd rather no one know I'm carrying. Prefer not bringing any extra attention to myself. Why advertise? But that's just me...lol __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

05-13-2008, 05:02 AM	#8
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,063 Trader Rating: (0)	Number 37 here. Hope it takes off. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

04-20-2008, 05:35 PM	#1
RockB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 191 Trader Rating: (0)	Florida Open Carry Not sure if it will do any good or not but I created a site to collect names to send with a petition to Florida governor, house and senate members requesting they consider allowing Open Carry in Florida. If you are a resident of Florida and you want to please go to Florida Open Carry Petition and sign.

04-20-2008, 06:03 PM	#2
FishingFather Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0)	Signed up. Number 11.

05-13-2008, 02:05 AM	#6
Willis_Rudy Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0)	signed up! #18

05-13-2008, 06:09 AM	#9
Scouse Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 11 Trader Rating: (0)	Would some one be so kind as to point out to me the advantage of open carry?

05-14-2008, 04:45 AM	#13
Willis_Rudy Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0)	honestly I think it goes as far as a personal preference for open carry...for instance if a criminal sees a gun hanging off your side he might think twice before doing something stupid or not...but open carry can also make it that much easier for them to disarm you.....personally I would like to see it passed so that open carry is a viable option.

05-25-2008, 03:28 PM	#16
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,277 Trader Rating: (0)	The best reason for concealed carry is, who ya gonna rob, rape or assault if you don't know who's got a gun.