45-70 lever action tube mag - Page 2

jimkim · 04-25-2008, 02:15 PM

Preacher I'm sorry. I dint get it. You have already picked out the bullet. You probably already have a load picked out. It's your money. You should buy the bullet you want to use.

Purdy · 04-25-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jimkim

HE likes the ->barnes bullet<- hello that bullet. Ive loaded my .30-30 for years with spitzers. I know guys who have .30-30 H&Rs and have killed deer at better than 200 yds. The bottom line is the man likes what he likes. JEEZ LOU-EEEZ.

JEEZ LOU-EEEZ a 30/30 isn't a 45/70. Given the right gun, you can jack up a 30/30 to some pretty good velocities and I don't think H&R's have a tubular magazine, but I could be mistaken.

jimkim · 04-25-2008, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by jimkim (45-70 lever action tube mag)

Yes you can chamber a spitzer round. You can also load 1+1 that is one in the chamber and one in the mag. The only thing you need to be careful of is that you don't load the magazine with point of the bullet on the primer of the round in front of it. To keep from loading in an unsafe manner I would open the action throw a round in and chamber it then load the mag with the next spitzer round. Ive done this with my .30-30.

[i]Originally Posted by jimkim

HE likes the ->Barnes bullet<- hello that bullet. Ive loaded my .30-30 for years with spitzers. I know guys who have .30-30 H&Rs and have killed deer at better than 200 yds. The bottom line is the man likes what he likes. JEEZ LOU-EEEZ

"JEEZ LOU-EEEZ a 30/30 isn't a 45/70. Given the right gun, you can jack up a 30/30 to some pretty good velocities and I don't think H&R's have a tubular magazine, but I could be mistaken."

Your right about the H&R not having a tubular mag. Did you know that you can jack up 45-70 loads too. They even have special loads for the Marlin. But it could all be a rumor I heard over the phone when I discussed THIS SAME SUBJECT with the nice folks at SIERRA BULLETS. I guess that the people at guns & ammo, and the shooting times didn't know what they were talking about either. Some loading manuals even mention this, but they must be wrong too. By the way my rifle is a Marlin 336cs.

Purdy · 04-26-2008, 12:27 PM

Mine are both '86 clones, one is a Browning MT Centenial and the other is a Win. '86 Ultra light wt. and I do jack the loads up quite a bit.

cold queso · 05-05-2008, 03:33 PM

I use hard-cast 405gr flat points. They seem like they would stop a tank, and in my 1895, they kick like the devil. So I've loaded them down somewhat......but still have alot of faith in them.

LiveToShoot · 05-05-2008, 06:15 PM

I've also been using the 405 gr FP bullets, loaded with a medium charge. They are lively to shoot, and seriously deadly on impact.

turkn8r1 · 05-05-2008, 08:24 PM

What you are wanting to do is ok as long as you are careful. As far as the Barnes bullets go let me speak to that. I am a HUGE Barnes fan and currently own 3 H&R 45-70's. A friend of mine has 3 also and we spent the better part of last summer working up loads and testing the 45-70. We used several different bullets but I stuck with the Barnes. I worked up some loads using the Barnes X .458 spitzers made for the win mag and the like. The best I could get out of one was 2700 fps and I called Barnes to see if they had any suggestions. They said that the spitzers will not propperly expand bellow 1600fps and that drastically reduces your range. We worked with the 45-70 tsx bullets from then on and got some good speeds out of them but couldn't control them over about 2900fps. Barnes did say that the ones they make for the 45-70 will propperly expand down to 1100 fps.Just some info for you as it sounds like you may be headed in the same general direction that we went. Good luck.

04-25-2008, 02:15 PM	#21
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: eastman GA Posts: 1,768 Trader Rating: (0)	Preacher I'm sorry. I dint get it. You have already picked out the bullet. You probably already have a load picked out. It's your money. You should buy the bullet you want to use. __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim

04-25-2008, 09:38 PM	#23
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: eastman GA Posts: 1,768 Trader Rating: (0)	Originally Posted by jimkim (45-70 lever action tube mag) Yes you can chamber a spitzer round. You can also load 1+1 that is one in the chamber and one in the mag. The only thing you need to be careful of is that you don't load the magazine with point of the bullet on the primer of the round in front of it. To keep from loading in an unsafe manner I would open the action throw a round in and chamber it then load the mag with the next spitzer round. Ive done this with my .30-30. [i]Originally Posted by jimkim HE likes the ->Barnes bullet<- hello that bullet. Ive loaded my .30-30 for years with spitzers. I know guys who have .30-30 H&Rs and have killed deer at better than 200 yds. The bottom line is the man likes what he likes. JEEZ LOU-EEEZ "JEEZ LOU-EEEZ a 30/30 isn't a 45/70. Given the right gun, you can jack up a 30/30 to some pretty good velocities and I don't think H&R's have a tubular magazine, but I could be mistaken." Your right about the H&R not having a tubular mag. Did you know that you can jack up 45-70 loads too. They even have special loads for the Marlin. But it could all be a rumor I heard over the phone when I discussed THIS SAME SUBJECT with the nice folks at SIERRA BULLETS. I guess that the people at guns & ammo, and the shooting times didn't know what they were talking about either. Some loading manuals even mention this, but they must be wrong too. By the way my rifle is a Marlin 336cs. __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim Last edited by jimkim; 04-26-2008 at 07:23 AM. Reason: clarification

05-05-2008, 06:15 PM	#26
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 1,776 Trader Rating: (0)	I've also been using the 405 gr FP bullets, loaded with a medium charge. They are lively to shoot, and seriously deadly on impact. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

05-05-2008, 08:24 PM	#27
turkn8r1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southern Mississippi Posts: 139 Trader Rating: (0)	What you are wanting to do is ok as long as you are careful. As far as the Barnes bullets go let me speak to that. I am a HUGE Barnes fan and currently own 3 H&R 45-70's. A friend of mine has 3 also and we spent the better part of last summer working up loads and testing the 45-70. We used several different bullets but I stuck with the Barnes. I worked up some loads using the Barnes X .458 spitzers made for the win mag and the like. The best I could get out of one was 2700 fps and I called Barnes to see if they had any suggestions. They said that the spitzers will not propperly expand bellow 1600fps and that drastically reduces your range. We worked with the 45-70 tsx bullets from then on and got some good speeds out of them but couldn't control them over about 2900fps. Barnes did say that the ones they make for the 45-70 will propperly expand down to 1100 fps.Just some info for you as it sounds like you may be headed in the same general direction that we went. Good luck. Last edited by turkn8r1; 05-05-2008 at 08:27 PM. Reason: used wrong word

04-26-2008, 12:27 PM	#24
Purdy Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Montana Posts: 85 Trader Rating: (0)	Mine are both '86 clones, one is a Browning MT Centenial and the other is a Win. '86 Ultra light wt. and I do jack the loads up quite a bit.

05-05-2008, 03:33 PM	#25
cold queso Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 89 Trader Rating: (0)	I use hard-cast 405gr flat points. They seem like they would stop a tank, and in my 1895, they kick like the devil. So I've loaded them down somewhat......but still have alot of faith in them.