Mosin Nagant revolver in 7.62, not .32 convert.

GlockMeister · 04-27-2008, 12:28 AM

Hello all. I need you Mosin faithfuls to help me decide if a Nagant revolver, in 7.62 and not the .32 conversion ( I think that's what I read they've been converted to?). Anyhow, I can get one from a local dealer for $99 bucks + tax. I know they can be had for cheaper, but by the time I add the shipping and transfer fee, I'm about over the $99 bucks + tax which by the way totals $105.44.

So I ask you all, is it too much? The appear to be in good condition.

Thanks in advance for any and all help..

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-27-2008, 12:34 AM

DOes it come with the holster cleaning rod and extras?

GlockMeister · 04-27-2008, 12:35 AM

Yes I believe he said it does. I know the holsters are part of it anyhow. Think he also said cleaning kit... Yea, he did. lol

jack007 · 04-27-2008, 01:06 AM

I saw on in the gun shop I visit .It was marked $149.00. I don't know what it sold for but it's gone.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-27-2008, 01:07 AM

Sounds about like the current going price. I paid $25 for mine in 2002. You can shoot

.32 S&W .32 H&R Magnum

out of the 7.62 cylinder without the .32 cylinder.

GlockMeister · 04-27-2008, 01:12 AM

Is that what the deal is capt.? I saw something on here about it. Thought they were reworked to shoot the .32 S&W or .32 H&R Magnum. Is the 7.62 available though? And if so, 7.62 X what?

Oh and thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-27-2008, 01:29 AM

7.62x38R you can get that but its a lot more expensive.

GlockMeister · 04-27-2008, 01:36 AM

I just saw than YOUCH!. Not sure if I'm going to get me one or not. Nice little collectible. Have to think about it then when I go back in if and when he got me my price on the Ruger New model Blackhawk blued in .45LC ,rubber grip, single shot (obviously) and the 5 1/2" barrel. Still thinking about that one also. lol Also considering a Ruger 10/22 he's got for $220. Walnut stock, drilled and tapped for scope. 18/18 1/2" barrel. Not about to go to Walmart even though it's probably be a tad bit cheaper.

So many things out there I like. I want. I need. I need. I want. I like lol We shall see.
Thanks for the info though Capt. I really appreciate it.

Mike82 · 04-27-2008, 10:06 AM

I'm still waiting for them to make a revolver version of the 7mm-08 pistol....not really wanting it to use...alot. just want one!!!

Shuak · 04-27-2008, 11:14 AM

So you can shoot .32 S&W out of one of these revolvers with no modification?

Cyrano · 04-27-2008, 11:26 AM

Yes, you can, Shuak; but there are drawbacks. Firing .32 S&W instead of 7.62x38R is not like firing .38 Special out of a pistol chambered for .357 Magnum, or .44 Special out of a .44 Magnum. Although they fit in the cylinder, .32 S&W rounds don't seal properly at the mouth of the chamber. There is a tiny gap at the forcing cone that costs your cartridge 75 fps in velocity and allows the escape of propellant gases and unburned powder. This in turn means a longer, messier cleaning job after each firing session because you have to pay extra attention to the forcing cone and the forward end of the cylinder.

Bottom line: the plus to shooting .32 S&W instead of 7.62 Nagant is easier ammo availability and lower cost. The minus to shooting .32 S&W instead of 7.62 Nagant is the loss of velocity and the greater mess requiring more thorough and longer cleaning. It's your call as to whether it's worth it.

Shuak · 04-27-2008, 11:32 AM

Well when I clean my guns I really clean my guns good so that wouldn't be a problem. Cheaper easier to find ammo is a plus and I'm not too worried about loss of fps since I wouldn't be killing anything with it. Except targets. and cans and junk and whatever else is out at the "range"...

Big Dog · 04-27-2008, 04:52 PM

GM, none of the imported Nagants have been 'converted' in any way.
The .32ACP cyclinder is bought separately, if you want it. However, many revolvers don't work with them as a 'drop-in' - they often require fitting.
Ammo for the gun is available, and is also so easy to reload for.
No point in wasting money on the .32ACP cylinder or using undersized mismatched ammo.

big boomer · 04-27-2008, 04:58 PM

You can make ammo out of 32-20 brass that works ok lee makes special dies for it and I have heard 30 carbine dies work too.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-27-2008, 06:30 PM

I have also heard the .32ACP drop in cylinder doesnt seal very well at the forcing cone. So even if you do spend the money to get it you still have to do the extra cleaning.

GlockMeister · 04-27-2008, 10:30 PM

I remember the guy telling, the owner of this gun shop that is, that the cylinders on these pistols shift forward and seal the gases. Is that true? I didn't take a close look at it, just looked at it through the case and asked how many he had.

And knowing this, about the improper sealing with .32 ammo, is it worth it then? I mean I know it's a Nagant revolver and they collectibles in their own right, but I'm not sure I want to deal with the ammo thing. Maybe saving the funds for the rifle might be better? Have to think about this one.

There's just so much out there I'd like to get either before they're gone or before some politician says I can't.

One other thing, I take it you can't convert the rifle ammo into handgun ammo then. I mean I know the rifle ammo is bottle necked, but what about trimming/cutting them down? Or would the neck still interfere? In looking at images of the 7.62X38R ammo, it looks as if it is or has a little neck to it. Anyone know if that would work, resizing the 7.62X39 cases that is?

squirrelbaster · 04-27-2008, 10:50 PM

yes the cylinder moves forward makes it quite unique.
and i dont know aboutthe ammo but i was acualy wanding the same thing like 3 days ago, so lets hope somone tells us the answer.

marion57 · 04-28-2008, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrelbaster

yes the cylinder moves forward makes it quite unique.
and i dont know aboutthe ammo but i was acualy wanding the same thing like 3 days ago, so lets hope somone tells us the answer.

First of all the correct designation is 7.62x38N .. at least all the ammo being sold is marked as such and yes it is a rimmed cartrage.. Even Wikipedia calls it a R cartrage ..
7.62x38mmR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sometime back NRA joe posted info on wolf ammo .
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/amm...-7-62x38r.html (Email from WOLF ammo (7.62x38r))

Big Dog · 04-28-2008, 04:39 AM

GM, don't sweat the 'sealing' thing. NO ammo seals properly except the original Russian ammo. Even the commercially available brass (Starline?) made for it is a wee bit short and will not seal. Not a big deal. None of our other revolvers seal the gasses.
My buddy reloads with .32-20 brass, and it'll last a long time with the Nagant's low pressure loads. Makes a great plinking load!

gandog56 · 04-28-2008, 03:38 PM

Well the 7.62 Nagant Hotshot ammo isn't so bad at about 22 bucks a box, and is supposed to be a lot more peppy than the overpriced Fiocchi stuff. And does do the gas seal. I heard even the surplus Russian rounds that can still be found once in a while was not the most powerful load. And since the Russian was corrosively Berdan primed, forget about reloading it.

04-27-2008, 12:28 AM	#1
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,936 Trader Rating: (0)	Mosin Nagant revolver in 7.62, not .32 convert. Hello all. I need you Mosin faithfuls to help me decide if a Nagant revolver, in 7.62 and not the .32 conversion ( I think that's what I read they've been converted to?). Anyhow, I can get one from a local dealer for $99 bucks + tax. I know they can be had for cheaper, but by the time I add the shipping and transfer fee, I'm about over the $99 bucks + tax which by the way totals $105.44. So I ask you all, is it too much? The appear to be in good condition. Thanks in advance for any and all help.. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

04-27-2008, 12:34 AM	#2
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,057 Trader Rating: (0)	DOes it come with the holster cleaning rod and extras? __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

04-27-2008, 12:35 AM	#3
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,936 Trader Rating: (0)	Yes I believe he said it does. I know the holsters are part of it anyhow. Think he also said cleaning kit... Yea, he did. lol __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

04-27-2008, 01:07 AM	#5
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,057 Trader Rating: (0)	Sounds about like the current going price. I paid $25 for mine in 2002. You can shoot .32 S&W .32 H&R Magnum out of the 7.62 cylinder without the .32 cylinder. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

04-27-2008, 01:12 AM	#6
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,936 Trader Rating: (0)	Is that what the deal is capt.? I saw something on here about it. Thought they were reworked to shoot the .32 S&W or .32 H&R Magnum. Is the 7.62 available though? And if so, 7.62 X what? Oh and thanks for the info. Much appreciated. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

04-27-2008, 01:06 AM	#4
jack007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: texas Posts: 130 Trader Rating: (0)	I saw on in the gun shop I visit .It was marked $149.00. I don't know what it sold for but it's gone.

04-27-2008, 01:29 AM	#7
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,057 Trader Rating: (0)	7.62x38R you can get that but its a lot more expensive. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

04-27-2008, 01:36 AM	#8
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,936 Trader Rating: (0)	I just saw than YOUCH!. Not sure if I'm going to get me one or not. Nice little collectible. Have to think about it then when I go back in if and when he got me my price on the Ruger New model Blackhawk blued in .45LC ,rubber grip, single shot (obviously) and the 5 1/2" barrel. Still thinking about that one also. lol Also considering a Ruger 10/22 he's got for $220. Walnut stock, drilled and tapped for scope. 18/18 1/2" barrel. Not about to go to Walmart even though it's probably be a tad bit cheaper. So many things out there I like. I want. I need. I need. I want. I like lol We shall see. Thanks for the info though Capt. I really appreciate it. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6! Last edited by GlockMeister; 04-27-2008 at 01:38 AM.

04-27-2008, 10:06 AM	#9
Mike82 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vicksburg, Mississippi USA Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (0)	I'm still waiting for them to make a revolver version of the 7mm-08 pistol....not really wanting it to use...alot. just want one!!! __________________ No Trespassing! Violators Will Be Shot! Survivors Will Be Shot Again!

04-27-2008, 11:14 AM	#10
Shuak Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: ctrl,alt,del Posts: 183 Trader Rating: (0)	So you can shoot .32 S&W out of one of these revolvers with no modification?

04-27-2008, 11:26 AM	#11
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 1,955 Trader Rating: (0)	Yes, you can, Shuak; but there are drawbacks. Firing .32 S&W instead of 7.62x38R is not like firing .38 Special out of a pistol chambered for .357 Magnum, or .44 Special out of a .44 Magnum. Although they fit in the cylinder, .32 S&W rounds don't seal properly at the mouth of the chamber. There is a tiny gap at the forcing cone that costs your cartridge 75 fps in velocity and allows the escape of propellant gases and unburned powder. This in turn means a longer, messier cleaning job after each firing session because you have to pay extra attention to the forcing cone and the forward end of the cylinder. Bottom line: the plus to shooting .32 S&W instead of 7.62 Nagant is easier ammo availability and lower cost. The minus to shooting .32 S&W instead of 7.62 Nagant is the loss of velocity and the greater mess requiring more thorough and longer cleaning. It's your call as to whether it's worth it.

04-27-2008, 11:32 AM	#12
Shuak Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: ctrl,alt,del Posts: 183 Trader Rating: (0)	Well when I clean my guns I really clean my guns good so that wouldn't be a problem. Cheaper easier to find ammo is a plus and I'm not too worried about loss of fps since I wouldn't be killing anything with it. Except targets. and cans and junk and whatever else is out at the "range"...

04-27-2008, 04:52 PM	#13
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,063 Trader Rating: (0)	GM, none of the imported Nagants have been 'converted' in any way. The .32ACP cyclinder is bought separately, if you want it. However, many revolvers don't work with them as a 'drop-in' - they often require fitting. Ammo for the gun is available, and is also so easy to reload for. No point in wasting money on the .32ACP cylinder or using undersized mismatched ammo. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

04-27-2008, 04:58 PM	#14
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 752 Trader Rating: (0)	You can make ammo out of 32-20 brass that works ok lee makes special dies for it and I have heard 30 carbine dies work too.

04-27-2008, 06:30 PM	#15
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,057 Trader Rating: (0)	I have also heard the .32ACP drop in cylinder doesnt seal very well at the forcing cone. So even if you do spend the money to get it you still have to do the extra cleaning. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

04-27-2008, 10:30 PM	#16
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,936 Trader Rating: (0)	I remember the guy telling, the owner of this gun shop that is, that the cylinders on these pistols shift forward and seal the gases. Is that true? I didn't take a close look at it, just looked at it through the case and asked how many he had. And knowing this, about the improper sealing with .32 ammo, is it worth it then? I mean I know it's a Nagant revolver and they collectibles in their own right, but I'm not sure I want to deal with the ammo thing. Maybe saving the funds for the rifle might be better? Have to think about this one. There's just so much out there I'd like to get either before they're gone or before some politician says I can't. One other thing, I take it you can't convert the rifle ammo into handgun ammo then. I mean I know the rifle ammo is bottle necked, but what about trimming/cutting them down? Or would the neck still interfere? In looking at images of the 7.62X38R ammo, it looks as if it is or has a little neck to it. Anyone know if that would work, resizing the 7.62X39 cases that is? __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6! Last edited by GlockMeister; 04-27-2008 at 10:36 PM.

04-27-2008, 10:50 PM	#17
squirrelbaster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,069 Trader Rating: (0)	yes the cylinder moves forward makes it quite unique. and i dont know aboutthe ammo but i was acualy wanding the same thing like 3 days ago, so lets hope somone tells us the answer. __________________ "My Shotgun SAYS I AM the POLICE !"--Mooseman684 "I like Turtles!" youtube kid

04-28-2008, 04:39 AM	#19
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,063 Trader Rating: (0)	GM, don't sweat the 'sealing' thing. NO ammo seals properly except the original Russian ammo. Even the commercially available brass (Starline?) made for it is a wee bit short and will not seal. Not a big deal. None of our other revolvers seal the gasses. My buddy reloads with .32-20 brass, and it'll last a long time with the Nagant's low pressure loads. Makes a great plinking load! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

04-28-2008, 03:38 PM	#20
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 3,347 Trader Rating: (0)	Well the 7.62 Nagant Hotshot ammo isn't so bad at about 22 bucks a box, and is supposed to be a lot more peppy than the overpriced Fiocchi stuff. And does do the gas seal. I heard even the surplus Russian rounds that can still be found once in a while was not the most powerful load. And since the Russian was corrosively Berdan primed, forget about reloading it.