Two new Mosins in the house, almost.

impactco · 04-27-2008, 11:23 PM

I dropped by two different Big 5 stores today to peruse their M44s and 91/30s on sale for $89 and $84 respectively. Nothing interesting at the first. At the second I bought 2 interesting examples. The first is an Izzy ex-sniper with beautiful brass handguard end caps. It has an unmodified scope number. All stamped matching, good bore, passes the bullet test, passed a field gauge test. I don't remember the date.
The second rifle is rather odd. It's a '44 M44 that has NO arsenal stamp on it. Has anybody seen this before?? There are small Izzy marks on various components but nothing on the barrel. It is all stamped matching except for a line out mag., good bore, passes the bullet test, passed a field gauge test.
Before you guys say:

I have an excuse! I could not bring them home today since Big 5 had problems with my Kalifornistan COE. I have to call the Kali DOJ tomorrow to sort it out. I'll post detailed photos when I pick them up.

marion57 · 04-28-2008, 03:41 AM

Great find congrats! And yes you will find a few that have the arsenal mark scrubbed off .. and no I dont know why they did it ..

just_a_car · 04-28-2008, 04:51 AM

You should check out these receiver stampings to see if maybe it does have an arsenal marking and you're just not seeing it for what it is: Mosin Nagant Rifle Model Identification Guide

SwedeSteve · 04-28-2008, 09:18 AM

Congrats on the new Mosin's!

impactco · 04-28-2008, 11:26 AM

I should have pics this afternoon.

marion57 · 04-28-2008, 04:38 PM

good cant wait to see them

impactco · 04-28-2008, 09:15 PM

Ok here are the photos.

First the "mystery arsenal" 1944 M44. I can find absolutely no Tula or Izhevsk markings on the barrel or receiver. I have perused the markings photos at 7.62x54r.net and can find nothing at all. The other components on the rifle are a mix of Izhevsk and Tula stamped parts. What do I have here guys??

And now the '44 Izhevsk ex-sniper:

Geo M44 · 04-28-2008, 09:34 PM

First time I've seen a circle R on an M44, but I'm thinking probably not a Remington barrel. But weird things happen.

No date... No Russian arsenal. I'm thinking mafia.

But certainly a strange one...

squirrelbaster · 04-28-2008, 09:40 PM

i thought the R in the circle WAS remington... i could be wrong but i thought i read that on another threat here at G&G.........this one.........http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mos...stampings.html (Quick question. Bolt stampings)

impactco · 04-28-2008, 09:46 PM

There's a very faint 19 4

I assume it's 1944?

squirrelbaster · 04-28-2008, 09:57 PM

lol, i cant see anythng there....

tmfun · 04-28-2008, 10:22 PM

What you have is a nice rifle.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-28-2008, 10:23 PM

It looks like it was cleaned and re stamped.

just_a_car · 04-28-2008, 10:48 PM

There appears to be the left side of an Izzy triangle and arrow just below the first of the two "1's" in your yellow serial number... like it was mostly ground off before the new number was stamped.

I've drawn a green triangle to show where I see it. The little "backwards r" in the middle is the arrow with the top and right points shaved-off:

impactco · 04-28-2008, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just_a_car

There appears to be the left side of an Izzy triangle and arrow just below the first of the two "1's" in your yellow serial number... like it was mostly ground off before the new number was stamped.

I've drawn a green triangle to show where I see it. The little "backwards r" in the middle is the arrow with the top and right points shaved-off:

Interesting, I didn't see that. I wonder why they would have gone to the trouble of doing this?

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-28-2008, 11:16 PM

Good eye JAC. And the I in the box next to the (R) could be an arsenal refurb mark. Could an M44 be a capture weapon? I didnt think they were used in any war.

impactco · 04-29-2008, 09:30 PM

Here are some closeups of the partial marking and an Izzy stamp on one of my 91/30's for comparison. To me, it looks like a 7.

Then again, it could be this from 7.62x54r.net:

Also, a closeup of the other two markings mentioned by Capt'n Mil Coll:

The Remington R from 7.62x54r.net:

Might also be this from 7.62x54r.net:

marion57 · 04-30-2008, 01:40 AM

It doesnt look to me like it is anywhere near a remington barrel, but a scrubbed 1944 m44 barrel..I dont know why they would do that but I have seen some strange mixes comming out of mother russia so nothing would surprise me ,,I cant tell from the pics if the reciever is 1944 or ww2 vintage or not ?? Anyone??

Mooseman684 · 04-30-2008, 02:46 AM

Werent all the Remington recievers Hex ??? Steve ???
Rich

SwedeSteve · 05-01-2008, 07:42 AM

I have not seen or read of a Remington round receiver. But like Marion says, some weird stuff has been showng up. That definitely is closer to a Remington stamp than anything else. The proof marks are in an oval.

My guess is a "scrubbed" / rearsenaled M44 from DDR. What JAC sees as a Izhevsk stamp could also be this (based on it's position), but no one can be certain:

04-27-2008, 11:23 PM	#1
impactco Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern Kalifornistan Posts: 41	Two new Mosins in the house. "mystery M44" and ex-sniper PHOTOS POSTED I dropped by two different Big 5 stores today to peruse their M44s and 91/30s on sale for $89 and $84 respectively. Nothing interesting at the first. At the second I bought 2 interesting examples. The first is an Izzy ex-sniper with beautiful brass handguard end caps. It has an unmodified scope number. All stamped matching, good bore, passes the bullet test, passed a field gauge test. I don't remember the date. The second rifle is rather odd. It's a '44 M44 that has NO arsenal stamp on it. Has anybody seen this before?? There are small Izzy marks on various components but nothing on the barrel. It is all stamped matching except for a line out mag., good bore, passes the bullet test, passed a field gauge test. Before you guys say: I have an excuse! I could not bring them home today since Big 5 had problems with my Kalifornistan COE. I have to call the Kali DOJ tomorrow to sort it out. I'll post detailed photos when I pick them up. Last edited by impactco; 04-28-2008 at 09:17 PM. Reason: New title

04-28-2008, 03:41 AM	#2
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 3,126	Great find congrats! And yes you will find a few that have the arsenal mark scrubbed off .. and no I dont know why they did it .. __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers Please Mr Custer I dont wanna go

04-28-2008, 04:51 AM	#3
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,639	You should check out these receiver stampings to see if maybe it does have an arsenal marking and you're just not seeing it for what it is: Mosin Nagant Rifle Model Identification Guide __________________

04-28-2008, 09:18 AM	#4
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,653 Images: 1	Congrats on the new Mosin's! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-28-2008, 04:38 PM	#6
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 3,126	good cant wait to see them __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers Please Mr Custer I dont wanna go

04-28-2008, 11:26 AM	#5
impactco Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern Kalifornistan Posts: 41	I should have pics this afternoon.

04-28-2008, 09:15 PM	#7
impactco Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern Kalifornistan Posts: 41	Ok here are the photos. First the "mystery arsenal" 1944 M44. I can find absolutely no Tula or Izhevsk markings on the barrel or receiver. I have perused the markings photos at 7.62x54r.net and can find nothing at all. The other components on the rifle are a mix of Izhevsk and Tula stamped parts. What do I have here guys?? And now the '44 Izhevsk ex-sniper: Last edited by impactco; 04-28-2008 at 09:18 PM.

04-28-2008, 09:34 PM	#8
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,399	First time I've seen a circle R on an M44, but I'm thinking probably not a Remington barrel. But weird things happen. No date... No Russian arsenal. I'm thinking mafia. But certainly a strange one... __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.

04-28-2008, 09:40 PM	#9
squirrelbaster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,564	i thought the R in the circle WAS remington... i could be wrong but i thought i read that on another threat here at G&G.........this one.........http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mos...stampings.html (Quick question. Bolt stampings) __________________ "My Shotgun SAYS I AM the POLICE !"--Mooseman684 "I like Turtles!" youtube kid

04-28-2008, 09:46 PM	#10
impactco Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern Kalifornistan Posts: 41	There's a very faint 19 4 I assume it's 1944?

04-28-2008, 09:57 PM	#11
squirrelbaster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,564	lol, i cant see anythng there.... __________________ "My Shotgun SAYS I AM the POLICE !"--Mooseman684 "I like Turtles!" youtube kid

04-28-2008, 10:22 PM	#12
tmfun Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 69	What you have is a nice rifle.

04-28-2008, 10:23 PM	#13
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,581 Images: 38	It looks like it was cleaned and re stamped. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

04-28-2008, 10:48 PM	#14
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,639	There appears to be the left side of an Izzy triangle and arrow just below the first of the two "1's" in your yellow serial number... like it was mostly ground off before the new number was stamped. I've drawn a green triangle to show where I see it. The little "backwards r" in the middle is the arrow with the top and right points shaved-off: __________________

04-28-2008, 11:16 PM	#16
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,581 Images: 38	Good eye JAC. And the I in the box next to the (R) could be an arsenal refurb mark. Could an M44 be a capture weapon? I didnt think they were used in any war. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

04-29-2008, 09:30 PM	#17
impactco Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern Kalifornistan Posts: 41	Here are some closeups of the partial marking and an Izzy stamp on one of my 91/30's for comparison. To me, it looks like a 7. Then again, it could be this from 7.62x54r.net: Also, a closeup of the other two markings mentioned by Capt'n Mil Coll: The Remington R from 7.62x54r.net: Might also be this from 7.62x54r.net: Last edited by impactco; 04-29-2008 at 09:50 PM.

04-30-2008, 01:40 AM	#18
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 3,126	It doesnt look to me like it is anywhere near a remington barrel, but a scrubbed 1944 m44 barrel..I dont know why they would do that but I have seen some strange mixes comming out of mother russia so nothing would surprise me ,,I cant tell from the pics if the reciever is 1944 or ww2 vintage or not ?? Anyone?? __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers Please Mr Custer I dont wanna go

04-30-2008, 02:46 AM	#19
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,583 Images: 2	Werent all the Remington recievers Hex ??? Steve ??? Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-01-2008, 07:42 AM	#20
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,653 Images: 1	I have not seen or read of a Remington round receiver. But like Marion says, some weird stuff has been showng up. That definitely is closer to a Remington stamp than anything else. The proof marks are in an oval. My guess is a "scrubbed" / rearsenaled M44 from DDR. What JAC sees as a Izhevsk stamp could also be this (based on it's position), but no one can be certain: __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers Last edited by SwedeSteve; 05-01-2008 at 07:46 AM.