Poor boy Mosin Nagant Trigger Job

jpwilly · 04-29-2008, 12:10 AM

I see lots of people asking about a "trigger job" on the Mosin Nagant. But most aren't willing to pay $70 for the HC. Well here's what I've done and it works great. Standard disclaimers apply. Do this at your own risk.

You'll need a drill press a 8/32 tap, cutting oil, 8/32 allen screw with pointed end, center punch and some luck. Ready?

So basically you centerpunch to mark the location for the hole you are going to drill so your bit doesn't walk (see picture). Use slow steady pressure on the drill press until it starts. Be sure you use lots of cutting oil to keep from burning up the drill bit. Tap the threads and install the screw. Now clean off the oil and lock tite the allen screw. Congrats you now have an adjustable trigger with lower drag than the original. Now reinstall to the rifle. Be sure it's unloaded. Next you'll have to set the trigger to be sure it's safe. It is possible to set screw low enough that the sear will not engage the bolt or to have it set where it will but if you drop the rifle it will fire. Be sure you set the trigger up so that it is safe! You will still have lots of creep or travel in the trigger but the pull will be light and the trigger will break cleanly.

Mike82 · 04-29-2008, 12:18 AM

wow, that's awesome man....and thanks for the pics/details of your work. +1

R5CYA · 04-29-2008, 01:29 AM

thanks for the write-up. i bought a couple extra triggers a week ago to try this out. good to see you're happy with the results.

SwedeSteve · 04-29-2008, 02:00 AM

Reduce thepics by 50% and repost them! I would love to see the detail!

GlockMeister · 04-29-2008, 02:26 AM

Yea, the pics were/are a little big and hard to see the detail.

texnmidwest · 04-29-2008, 06:53 AM

can't wait to try it!

neophyte · 04-29-2008, 07:55 AM

jpwilly: Sir;

it's folks like you why I enjoy hanging out here.

Enfield trader · 04-29-2008, 01:24 PM

get so low on the trigger before the rifle does not cock or it becomes unsafe.

I have see this posted before and different versions of this. I guess I am lazy as I have found a different ways to lighten the trigger pull and reduce creep.

Here is an article about it

Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2006) - Surplusrifle.com

Always be safe !!

SwedeSteve · 04-29-2008, 01:47 PM

Both are great ideas!

Mike82 · 04-30-2008, 02:44 AM

or just shave it down so it'll hold for about 2secs. then to fire the gun u cock it and leave lever up....when time to fire, just drop cocking handle and count to 2....

Mosin Shooter · 04-30-2008, 02:40 PM

lets not try anything too unsafe, read SuperbattlerifleG3's sticky in the AK forum and you'll see what he thinks of unsafe mods.

SwedeSteve · 04-30-2008, 04:33 PM

Unsafe? We don't like unsafe. If we did, we'd do something really insane! Like drive to work, LOL!

jpwilly · 04-30-2008, 06:17 PM

This is not an unsafe mod if you set up the trigger correctly and do a drop test (drop but on floor from a foot or two be sure rifle didn't fire)...Like any adjustable trigger install BTW. Like I said you could make your Mosin unsafe if you don't set it properly...that doesn't mean that an anjustable trigger is unsafe. Don't forget to loctite the screw to keep it from backing out! (ask me how I know!). I built 5 of these for my Nagants and a few for my brothers and Dad now. They all said what a big improvement they are.

Mosin Shooter · 04-30-2008, 06:29 PM

willy the problem is this: some people are gonna set them improperly just so they can blame the site for having this posted and that would get you banned, so please watch what you post.

Unfortunately thats how this politically correct f***ed up world works case in point:"Caution, this is hot" printed on coffee cups.

R5CYA · 04-30-2008, 06:49 PM

are you serious? BANNED? i'll take that with a grain of salt till i hear from a moderator.
there's nothing unsafe about this mod or any of the other trigger mods. not when done right. if someone doesn't have the sense to follow directions they probably shouldn't modify weapons. heck, they probably shouldn't even be using weapons for that matter.

p.s. my ruskie m44's trigger has been shimmed as enfield trader's post refered to. same result as the trigger mod without the benefit of a possibly smoother trigger.

SwedeSteve · 04-30-2008, 07:05 PM

He did say do it at your own risk! If someone posts that they shot themselves after applying this mod, I'm gonna talk them into trying my mod. It turns the M44 bayonet into a switchblade!

R5CYA · 04-30-2008, 07:06 PM

NOW THAT WOULD BE FUNNY!

marion57 · 04-30-2008, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

He did say do it at your own risk! If someone posts that they shot themselves after applying this mod, I'm gonna talk them into trying my mod. It turns the M44 bayonet into a switchblade!

always knew you had a bad streak in ya

Geo M44 · 04-30-2008, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

He did say do it at your own risk! If someone posts that they shot themselves after applying this mod, I'm gonna talk them into trying my mod. It turns the M44 bayonet into a switchblade!

Me want one o doz. Just think of the fun at the range...

Push the button and the bayo snaps open. The tricky part is getting it over the muzzle.

pisgah · 05-02-2008, 07:46 AM

A simpler way to go is to simply remove the sear/spring unit and place thin shims under it (hole drilled or punched in the shims to allow the screw to pass thru). I have used thin brass sheet, small sqares cut out of a soft drink can, even plastic from old credit cards. Add shims until one of three things happens -- 1. You get the trigger you want;2. The shims get so thick the screw won't engage; 3. You get unsafe sear engagement (test this by cocking the gun and repeatedly thumping the butt on a hard padded surface).

This will not produce a match-grade trigger, but the amount of improvement you get will be noticeable and, often, downright amazing. I like this method because it takes only minutes, it requires zero equipment or manual skills, and it requires no permanent alteration of the rifle. It's a mod you will find often on originals, especially snipers.

04-29-2008, 12:10 AM	#1
jpwilly Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 70	Poor boy Mosin Nagant Trigger Job I see lots of people asking about a "trigger job" on the Mosin Nagant. But most aren't willing to pay $70 for the HC. Well here's what I've done and it works great. Standard disclaimers apply. Do this at your own risk. You'll need a drill press a 8/32 tap, cutting oil, 8/32 allen screw with pointed end, center punch and some luck. Ready? So basically you centerpunch to mark the location for the hole you are going to drill so your bit doesn't walk (see picture). Use slow steady pressure on the drill press until it starts. Be sure you use lots of cutting oil to keep from burning up the drill bit. Tap the threads and install the screw. Now clean off the oil and lock tite the allen screw. Congrats you now have an adjustable trigger with lower drag than the original. Now reinstall to the rifle. Be sure it's unloaded. Next you'll have to set the trigger to be sure it's safe. It is possible to set screw low enough that the sear will not engage the bolt or to have it set where it will but if you drop the rifle it will fire. Be sure you set the trigger up so that it is safe! You will still have lots of creep or travel in the trigger but the pull will be light and the trigger will break cleanly. Last edited by jpwilly; 04-30-2008 at 06:28 PM. Reason: resize images

04-29-2008, 12:18 AM	#2
Mike82 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vicksburg, Mississippi USA Posts: 1,027 Images: 7	wow, that's awesome man....and thanks for the pics/details of your work. +1 __________________ No Trespassing! Violators Will Be Shot! Survivors Will Be Shot Again!

04-29-2008, 01:29 AM	#3
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 638	thanks for the write-up. i bought a couple extra triggers a week ago to try this out. good to see you're happy with the results. __________________ *TROLL HUNTER!*

04-29-2008, 02:00 AM	#4
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,349 Images: 1	Reduce thepics by 50% and repost them! I would love to see the detail! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-29-2008, 02:26 AM	#5
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,478	Yea, the pics were/are a little big and hard to see the detail. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

04-29-2008, 06:53 AM	#6
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,444	can't wait to try it! __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

04-29-2008, 07:55 AM	#7
neophyte Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3,547 Blog Entries: 2	Mosin Trigger jpwilly: Sir; it's folks like you why I enjoy hanging out here. __________________ Craig By the standards of most

04-29-2008, 01:24 PM	#8
Enfield trader Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 193	Your idea is nice and I'm not knocking it but you can only get so low on the trigger before the rifle does not cock or it becomes unsafe. I have see this posted before and different versions of this. I guess I am lazy as I have found a different ways to lighten the trigger pull and reduce creep. Here is an article about it Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2006) - Surplusrifle.com Always be safe !!

04-29-2008, 01:47 PM	#9
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,349 Images: 1	Both are great ideas! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-30-2008, 02:44 AM	#10
Mike82 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vicksburg, Mississippi USA Posts: 1,027 Images: 7	or just shave it down so it'll hold for about 2secs. then to fire the gun u cock it and leave lever up....when time to fire, just drop cocking handle and count to 2.... __________________ No Trespassing! Violators Will Be Shot! Survivors Will Be Shot Again!

04-30-2008, 02:40 PM	#11
Mosin Shooter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 416	lets not try anything too unsafe, read SuperbattlerifleG3's sticky in the AK forum and you'll see what he thinks of unsafe mods. __________________ Save a cow, eat a vegetarian.

04-30-2008, 04:33 PM	#12
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,349 Images: 1	Unsafe? We don't like unsafe. If we did, we'd do something really insane! Like drive to work, LOL! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-30-2008, 06:17 PM	#13
jpwilly Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 70	This is not an unsafe mod if you set up the trigger correctly and do a drop test (drop but on floor from a foot or two be sure rifle didn't fire)...Like any adjustable trigger install BTW. Like I said you could make your Mosin unsafe if you don't set it properly...that doesn't mean that an anjustable trigger is unsafe. Don't forget to loctite the screw to keep it from backing out! (ask me how I know!). I built 5 of these for my Nagants and a few for my brothers and Dad now. They all said what a big improvement they are. Last edited by jpwilly; 04-30-2008 at 06:26 PM.

04-30-2008, 06:29 PM	#14
Mosin Shooter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 416	willy the problem is this: some people are gonna set them improperly just so they can blame the site for having this posted and that would get you banned, so please watch what you post. Unfortunately thats how this politically correct f***ed up world works case in point:"Caution, this is hot" printed on coffee cups. __________________ Save a cow, eat a vegetarian.

04-30-2008, 06:49 PM	#15
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 638	are you serious? BANNED? i'll take that with a grain of salt till i hear from a moderator. there's nothing unsafe about this mod or any of the other trigger mods. not when done right. if someone doesn't have the sense to follow directions they probably shouldn't modify weapons. heck, they probably shouldn't even be using weapons for that matter. p.s. my ruskie m44's trigger has been shimmed as enfield trader's post refered to. same result as the trigger mod without the benefit of a possibly smoother trigger. __________________ *TROLL HUNTER!* Last edited by R5CYA; 04-30-2008 at 06:55 PM. Reason: cause i like to pretend i'm a moderater! ;-)

04-30-2008, 07:05 PM	#16
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,349 Images: 1	He did say do it at your own risk! If someone posts that they shot themselves after applying this mod, I'm gonna talk them into trying my mod. It turns the M44 bayonet into a switchblade! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-30-2008, 07:06 PM	#17
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 638	NOW THAT WOULD BE FUNNY! __________________ *TROLL HUNTER!*

05-02-2008, 07:46 AM	#20
pisgah Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: SC Posts: 2	A simpler way to go is to simply remove the sear/spring unit and place thin shims under it (hole drilled or punched in the shims to allow the screw to pass thru). I have used thin brass sheet, small sqares cut out of a soft drink can, even plastic from old credit cards. Add shims until one of three things happens -- 1. You get the trigger you want;2. The shims get so thick the screw won't engage; 3. You get unsafe sear engagement (test this by cocking the gun and repeatedly thumping the butt on a hard padded surface). This will not produce a match-grade trigger, but the amount of improvement you get will be noticeable and, often, downright amazing. I like this method because it takes only minutes, it requires zero equipment or manual skills, and it requires no permanent alteration of the rifle. It's a mod you will find often on originals, especially snipers.