Steyr M95 Q's

Iron_Colonel · 04-26-2008, 01:24 AM

Similar to the other post, I went to Big5. Well I found a Steyr M95 there for like $85 or whatever it said. I had heard of Steyr, but didn't know how its capacity fit into history. After some research, the gun in the store was an 8 x 56R. So now I have some questions for those of you that hopefully know more about it than me.

This sucker was drowned in cosmo. I did find it interesting the bolt just pulls back rearward. Thats kind of neat. I hear ammo is expensive. That must be true. I saw a few numbers on the receiver and barrel, and they matched. I did not notice a stamp on the stock. I wanted to do more research before I went back for it.

Why is there a hole in the mag well? Will I need to purchase some kind of clips for it? I saw somewhere that clips were sold for it. I didn't inspect the barrel. I don't know how much I would have learned as far as the condition of it seeing as how it probly would have been all cosmo'd too. I didn't take a whole lot of interest to it, because thats not really what I was going on there for anyways. But now that I think about it and have read up a little it doesn't seem too bad. So any input, facts, noteworthy information or opinions would be appreciated.

GlockMeister · 04-26-2008, 01:47 AM

Never seen one so I yahoo/google image searched it. Not a bad looking rifle. MHO that is. And if $85 bucks, not a bad price either. MHO again. Don't know if that's a normal or decent price, but if in good condition, I'd pay it.

oldjarhead · 04-26-2008, 01:51 AM

$85 is a good price for the 95 but I've been looking at ammo availability for it and it's been looking really slim. I like the rifle but won't get it if I can't find a quantity of affordable ammo.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-26-2008, 02:42 AM

I have 2 Steyrs. They are straight pull internal clip fed Short Rifles. Being a straight pull it is a little sticky to cycle. But nothing you cant get used to. They use 8x56r carts. The clips fall out the bottom when empty. Most ammo is pre loaded in the clips.

Here, I went and grabbed a couple of cans of ammo to show you. I dont know if you can see the Nazi Iron Eagles on them.

It seems to be a pretty powerful round. I know the first time we went out we shot clean through a 12 inch tree. Being a short rifle it does have a good kick to it.

Any other questions just ask.

Iron_Colonel · 04-26-2008, 09:21 PM

Good info. Thanks. I was wondering if you might post a pic of your Steyrs. And let me in on some inside info on where I might be able to find some ammo for it. I would like to shoot it. So far as I can tell, all numbers are matching on the bolt, receiver and barrel. As well as both pieces of the stock match. The stock is in pretty bad shape, but thats just on the outside I guess. I don't know what year it is, unless there is a date somewhere covered by wood. I saw one at Big5 that had a date stamped on it. But this one wasn't in the same place. Any info on markings would be appreciated too. Pics to come soon.

big boomer · 04-26-2008, 09:34 PM

Iron Col. I have one of the Steyrs and the are nice little rifles you need the charger clip to hold the shells and it drops out the bottom you can get the clips at several places I got mine at old west scrounger for 2 bucks each I think. If you buy the old ww2 ammo it comes with the clips but its also corrosive but it has the german markings from the war. The germans issued these rifles to alot of defensive troops(3 countries worth I think) You can get Hornaday ammo for them thats non corrosive and reloadable but it costs more, thats what I did. I haven't shot mine yet the weather is too crappy in Minn. we had snow on April 24, so much for global warming. You got a good deal on your rifle mine was about 120 but it was in ex. condition. I bought my Hornaday shells at
cabbela's.

Iron_Colonel · 04-26-2008, 09:45 PM

Hey great info, thanks. Yea $85 wasn't too bad, I wish I could have negotiated with the guy because the stock was in bad shape. I got the this is how they come..... I'll post some pics soon. The question about reloading I have, are the dyes easy to find for it? And are there any other places to buy clips? How much did the ammo cost at Cabelas? I guess the clips are re-usable then if you buy them naked, put the rounds in them? I'm totally new to Steyr's in general, so I might have a few standard knowledge questions for people that have already owned these guns

Capt'n Mil Coll · 04-27-2008, 01:22 AM

I only have pics of them laying on the floor. I dont have closeups at this time. Can you pick them out?

Iron_Colonel · 04-27-2008, 02:49 AM

Bottom and 4th up from bottom. Nice Mauser BTW. Pics in a few mins.

Iron_Colonel · 04-30-2008, 04:10 AM

I couldn't find any at Cabelas. They didn't have any at the Lacey store. I tried the Sportsmans Warehouse, and made a half dozen phone calls to no avail. Looks like I will have to find it on the internet somewhere. And are the clips necessary to fire it in succession rather than loading one in the chamber and closing the bolt on it every shot?

The other question is where do I find dies? I would just venture a guess that 8mm Mauser dies won't load this stuff because of the rim? Input and advice appreciated.

rondog · 04-30-2008, 08:27 PM

I came this close to buying one at our Big 5, but after looking for ammo on the 'net I'm glad I didn't. It's out there, but I don't want 20-round boxes at outrageous prices, and I wouldn't shoot Nazi-marked ammo, that's for collecting, IMO. If you could get the 300-round spam cans of surplus ammo like you can for the Mosin's, I'd be havin' me a Steyr M95.

Iron_Colonel · 05-01-2008, 07:23 AM

Well, IMO, its hard to find ammo for it period. Dies brand new for the 8x56R are pretty pricey at RCBS website. But I found non-corrosive stuff here: Hornady Custom Rifle 6.5 Carcano 160 Gr. Rnsp 20 Rds., Rifle Ammunition, Hornady at Sportsman's Guide its a bit pricey, but reloadable.

I don't want to shoot the corrosive stuff out of mine. But if possible, I might just buy a box of some of the old Nazi stuff as a conversation piece and rob the clips from them if they are included with the old surplus stuff. If the clips are re-usable (which I am assuming they are), fill them with the Hornady stuff. (I am waiting on a vendor that sells the Nazi stamped stuff online to confirm for me me that they come with the clips before I buy them). I have not fired my M95 yet, but that day is soon approaching.

BUT, if all fails and its not a good shooter, because I am having my doubts with what looks like a well used barrel, it might just be turned into a conversation piece somewhere on the wall. But at any rate, I would like to sand down the stock a little and fill some of the deep gouges and then put some linseed oil on it. I think I'll forgo the staining idea as I proposed in an earlier post. Any other suggestions I am open for knowing them.

jackar · 05-01-2008, 08:03 AM

I'm glad to get this info on the Steyr. I have come close to buying one several times at gun shows, but had the same worry about ammo for it.
I bought a Mosin Nagant M38 instead and the seller gave me a box of ammo for it, I think it was 200 grain bullets, maybe Albanian. The first time I shot it it jarred a crown off one of my molars. Well, felt like it did. Since the Steyr and Nagant M38 seem to be about the same size and weight I lost all desire to own the Steyr. The Nagant is now parked in the gun cabinet and I lost the desire to shoot it. As to ammo you might Google Gunbroker.com and search there for the ammo for your Steyrs. I have located several calibers of hard to find ammo there. Just received an order of 9mm Largo from there for my Astra 400. Have fun.

TheWanderingMind · 05-01-2008, 08:12 AM

Iron Colonel,

Check out this bit on "The Box of Truth" website as far as cleaning them up goes:
Educational Zone #74 - The Five Sisters - Restoring Five M44 Mosin Rifles - Page 1

The MilSurp site has info on the M95, including disassembly/assembly instructions, at:
Collecting and Shooting the Steyr-Mannlicher m95 Carbine

They also have a lot of articles on MilSurps, including cleaning, refinishing, etc., at:
Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2006) - Surplusrifle.com

And Manowar's Hungarian weapons site has loads of excellent information on the M95 at:
Manowar's Hungarian Weapons. Just click the M95 link.

Cyrano · 05-01-2008, 08:52 AM

Just checked The Old Western Scrounger website. They have two kinds of Steyr chargers. One has open sides, the other is solid sided. The former costs $2.50 each and they will ship up to six ea. via USPS so you don't have a Fedex charge. The solid sided ones are $2.00 each and ditto on shipping.

They look like neat little rifles, but the modern production 8x54R ammo isn't cheap! If you're a reloader, it could be a good shooter for you. I'd scope it, though. The local gun shop had a couple of them and the iron sights are for the birds. The rear notch is the next thing to nonexistent and the front post is hard to see.

Iron_Colonel · 05-01-2008, 04:24 PM

Thanks for the info. My hopes and dreams of the clips being included with the Nazi ammo were crushed as I received the message they were not included. I had found some on that other website for $2.50 so I was going to probly buy there if I didn't find any others elsewhere. Thanks for the links and info.

Cyrano · 05-01-2008, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackar

I'm glad to get this info on the Steyr. I have come close to buying one several times at gun shows, but had the same worry about ammo for it.
I bought a Mosin Nagant M38 instead and the seller gave me a box of ammo for it, I think it was 200 grain bullets, maybe Albanian. The first time I shot it it jarred a crown off one of my molars. Well, felt like it did. Since the Steyr and Nagant M38 seem to be about the same size and weight I lost all desire to own the Steyr. The Nagant is now parked in the gun cabinet and I lost the desire to shoot it.

jackar, welcome to the forum.

Have you given any thought to putting a slide-on or lace-on recoil pad on your Mosin M38? It reduces the felt recoil to about what you'd expect from an M-1 carbine or an SKS, which is to say, to almost nothing. Your Mosin deserves a better fate than to be parked in the gun cabinet.

jackar · 05-02-2008, 08:04 AM

Cyrano, thanks for the welcome. You're probably right about the Mosin Nagant. It does deserve a better fate. I took it out of the cabinet yesterday and it has all matching numbers but does have an M44 stock. I looked up the markings on Wikipedia and it was made at the Isvesta (sp?) arsenal. Maybe I'll get it out this weekend, roll up a couple of beach towels for padding, and fire some Wolf ammo. But no more of those Albanian 200 grain monsters.

gandog56 · 05-09-2008, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

I have 2 Steyrs. They are straight pull internal clip fed Short Rifles. Being a straight pull it is a little sticky to cycle. But nothing you cant get used to. They use 8x56r carts. The clips fall out the bottom when empty. Most ammo is pre loaded in the clips.

Here, I went and grabbed a couple of cans of ammo to show you. I dont know if you can see the Nazi Iron Eagles on them.

It seems to be a pretty powerful round. I know the first time we went out we shot clean through a 12 inch tree. Being a short rifle it does have a good kick to it.

Any other questions just ask.

Ammo is hard to come by. You can form cases by using 7.62X54R's using Lee dies, or Graf's sells cases for 40 bucks/hundred, again using the Lee dies. I got the dies brand new from somebody (Can't remember which company) for about 26 bucks. If you don't reload, good luck.

Found one place, and boy it's expensive!

Browsing Store - 8x56 Mannlicher-Schoenaue r Loaded Ammunition

Capt'n Mil Coll · 05-10-2008, 01:05 AM

THey have it here for about half that.

Hornady Custom Rifle 6.5 Carcano 160 Gr. Rnsp 20 Rds., Rifle Ammunition, Hornady at Sportsman's Guide

04-26-2008, 01:24 AM	#1
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 376	Steyr M95 Q's Similar to the other post, I went to Big5. Well I found a Steyr M95 there for like $85 or whatever it said. I had heard of Steyr, but didn't know how its capacity fit into history. After some research, the gun in the store was an 8 x 56R. So now I have some questions for those of you that hopefully know more about it than me. This sucker was drowned in cosmo. I did find it interesting the bolt just pulls back rearward. Thats kind of neat. I hear ammo is expensive. That must be true. I saw a few numbers on the receiver and barrel, and they matched. I did not notice a stamp on the stock. I wanted to do more research before I went back for it. Why is there a hole in the mag well? Will I need to purchase some kind of clips for it? I saw somewhere that clips were sold for it. I didn't inspect the barrel. I don't know how much I would have learned as far as the condition of it seeing as how it probly would have been all cosmo'd too. I didn't take a whole lot of interest to it, because thats not really what I was going on there for anyways. But now that I think about it and have read up a little it doesn't seem too bad. So any input, facts, noteworthy information or opinions would be appreciated.

04-26-2008, 01:47 AM	#2
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,473	Never seen one so I yahoo/google image searched it. Not a bad looking rifle. MHO that is. And if $85 bucks, not a bad price either. MHO again. Don't know if that's a normal or decent price, but if in good condition, I'd pay it. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

04-30-2008, 04:10 AM	#10
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 376	8 x 56R ammo I couldn't find any at Cabelas. They didn't have any at the Lacey store. I tried the Sportsmans Warehouse, and made a half dozen phone calls to no avail. Looks like I will have to find it on the internet somewhere. And are the clips necessary to fire it in succession rather than loading one in the chamber and closing the bolt on it every shot? The other question is where do I find dies? I would just venture a guess that 8mm Mauser dies won't load this stuff because of the rim? Input and advice appreciated.

04-30-2008, 08:27 PM	#11
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 1,330	I came this close to buying one at our Big 5, but after looking for ammo on the 'net I'm glad I didn't. It's out there, but I don't want 20-round boxes at outrageous prices, and I wouldn't shoot Nazi-marked ammo, that's for collecting, IMO. If you could get the 300-round spam cans of surplus ammo like you can for the Mosin's, I'd be havin' me a Steyr M95. __________________ What she doesn't know about, doesn't piss her off.....

05-10-2008, 01:05 AM	#20
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,290 Images: 12	THey have it here for about half that. Hornady Custom Rifle 6.5 Carcano 160 Gr. Rnsp 20 Rds., Rifle Ammunition, Hornady at Sportsman's Guide __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

04-26-2008, 01:51 AM	#3
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mansfield, MO Posts: 814	$85 is a good price for the 95 but I've been looking at ammo availability for it and it's been looking really slim. I like the rifle but won't get it if I can't find a quantity of affordable ammo.

04-26-2008, 09:21 PM	#5
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 376	Good info. Thanks. I was wondering if you might post a pic of your Steyrs. And let me in on some inside info on where I might be able to find some ammo for it. I would like to shoot it. So far as I can tell, all numbers are matching on the bolt, receiver and barrel. As well as both pieces of the stock match. The stock is in pretty bad shape, but thats just on the outside I guess. I don't know what year it is, unless there is a date somewhere covered by wood. I saw one at Big5 that had a date stamped on it. But this one wasn't in the same place. Any info on markings would be appreciated too. Pics to come soon.

04-26-2008, 09:34 PM	#6
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 971	Iron Col. I have one of the Steyrs and the are nice little rifles you need the charger clip to hold the shells and it drops out the bottom you can get the clips at several places I got mine at old west scrounger for 2 bucks each I think. If you buy the old ww2 ammo it comes with the clips but its also corrosive but it has the german markings from the war. The germans issued these rifles to alot of defensive troops(3 countries worth I think) You can get Hornaday ammo for them thats non corrosive and reloadable but it costs more, thats what I did. I haven't shot mine yet the weather is too crappy in Minn. we had snow on April 24, so much for global warming. You got a good deal on your rifle mine was about 120 but it was in ex. condition. I bought my Hornaday shells at cabbela's.

04-26-2008, 09:45 PM	#7
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 376	Hey great info, thanks. Yea $85 wasn't too bad, I wish I could have negotiated with the guy because the stock was in bad shape. I got the this is how they come..... I'll post some pics soon. The question about reloading I have, are the dyes easy to find for it? And are there any other places to buy clips? How much did the ammo cost at Cabelas? I guess the clips are re-usable then if you buy them naked, put the rounds in them? I'm totally new to Steyr's in general, so I might have a few standard knowledge questions for people that have already owned these guns

04-27-2008, 02:49 AM	#9
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 376	Bottom and 4th up from bottom. Nice Mauser BTW. Pics in a few mins.

05-01-2008, 07:23 AM	#12
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 376	Well, IMO, its hard to find ammo for it period. Dies brand new for the 8x56R are pretty pricey at RCBS website. But I found non-corrosive stuff here: Hornady Custom Rifle 6.5 Carcano 160 Gr. Rnsp 20 Rds., Rifle Ammunition, Hornady at Sportsman's Guide its a bit pricey, but reloadable. I don't want to shoot the corrosive stuff out of mine. But if possible, I might just buy a box of some of the old Nazi stuff as a conversation piece and rob the clips from them if they are included with the old surplus stuff. If the clips are re-usable (which I am assuming they are), fill them with the Hornady stuff. (I am waiting on a vendor that sells the Nazi stamped stuff online to confirm for me me that they come with the clips before I buy them). I have not fired my M95 yet, but that day is soon approaching. BUT, if all fails and its not a good shooter, because I am having my doubts with what looks like a well used barrel, it might just be turned into a conversation piece somewhere on the wall. But at any rate, I would like to sand down the stock a little and fill some of the deep gouges and then put some linseed oil on it. I think I'll forgo the staining idea as I proposed in an earlier post. Any other suggestions I am open for knowing them.

05-01-2008, 08:03 AM	#13
jackar Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 112	I'm glad to get this info on the Steyr. I have come close to buying one several times at gun shows, but had the same worry about ammo for it. I bought a Mosin Nagant M38 instead and the seller gave me a box of ammo for it, I think it was 200 grain bullets, maybe Albanian. The first time I shot it it jarred a crown off one of my molars. Well, felt like it did. Since the Steyr and Nagant M38 seem to be about the same size and weight I lost all desire to own the Steyr. The Nagant is now parked in the gun cabinet and I lost the desire to shoot it. As to ammo you might Google Gunbroker.com and search there for the ammo for your Steyrs. I have located several calibers of hard to find ammo there. Just received an order of 9mm Largo from there for my Astra 400. Have fun.

05-01-2008, 08:12 AM	#14
TheWanderingMind Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Posts: 633 Images: 13 Blog Entries: 5	Iron Colonel, Check out this bit on "The Box of Truth" website as far as cleaning them up goes: Educational Zone #74 - The Five Sisters - Restoring Five M44 Mosin Rifles - Page 1 The MilSurp site has info on the M95, including disassembly/assembly instructions, at: Collecting and Shooting the Steyr-Mannlicher m95 Carbine They also have a lot of articles on MilSurps, including cleaning, refinishing, etc., at: Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2006) - Surplusrifle.com And Manowar's Hungarian weapons site has loads of excellent information on the M95 at: Manowar's Hungarian Weapons. Just click the M95 link.

05-01-2008, 08:52 AM	#15
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,348	Just checked The Old Western Scrounger website. They have two kinds of Steyr chargers. One has open sides, the other is solid sided. The former costs $2.50 each and they will ship up to six ea. via USPS so you don't have a Fedex charge. The solid sided ones are $2.00 each and ditto on shipping. They look like neat little rifles, but the modern production 8x54R ammo isn't cheap! If you're a reloader, it could be a good shooter for you. I'd scope it, though. The local gun shop had a couple of them and the iron sights are for the birds. The rear notch is the next thing to nonexistent and the front post is hard to see.

05-01-2008, 04:24 PM	#16
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 376	Thanks for the info. My hopes and dreams of the clips being included with the Nazi ammo were crushed as I received the message they were not included. I had found some on that other website for $2.50 so I was going to probly buy there if I didn't find any others elsewhere. Thanks for the links and info.

05-02-2008, 08:04 AM	#18
jackar Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 112	Cyrano, thanks for the welcome. You're probably right about the Mosin Nagant. It does deserve a better fate. I took it out of the cabinet yesterday and it has all matching numbers but does have an M44 stock. I looked up the markings on Wikipedia and it was made at the Isvesta (sp?) arsenal. Maybe I'll get it out this weekend, roll up a couple of beach towels for padding, and fire some Wolf ammo. But no more of those Albanian 200 grain monsters.