What is the big deal with Mosins?

[SwedeSteve]

280- It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool!

[lowercase]

Originally Posted by samuel

It compares.Yep.Yep.It compares.The 7.62x54mm compares too.yes it does compare.They both compare.Yes,they do compare.They both certainly compare.They certainly do compare.There isnt much difference. Remind me never to say bad things about Mosin,s.In fact I will only say good things about them,if I have nerve enough to mention them at all.I have a couple around here someplace.I remember shooting one that had a real long barrel.It went boom,and had enough accuracy for deer hunting. Been a long time.Guess I'll try to find it.Hope it hasnt rusted away. sam.

Not too sure what you inferred from my original question to .280Rem regarding the characteristics of a specific round.

However, if you're familiar with the .280 Rem (and the other rounds mentioned), I would appreciate the information since I have yet to receive a serious answer to my question.

Since we're on a rifle forum, I figured that someone who owned a .280 would want to answer up with good information about it. As a fairly new rifle enthusiast, I may want to go check out something in .280 Rem.

Thanks

[FS00008]

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

280- It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool!

Than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.









































OOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! Too late for Mr. .280!

[Capt'n Mil Coll]

One thing to consider...all the TOP snipers in the WORLD got that way using MOSIN-NAGANT rifles.

[.280Rem]

Originally Posted by FS00008

Than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.









































OOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! Too late for Mr. .280!

Ah, the friendliest gun site on the net says "I'm a fool for having a differing opinion". Ok, well that's a matter of opinion as well, and I say you're a fool!

I have to be honest and tell you that a bunch of MN toter's calling me names or questioning my opinion isn't much offense to me at all! ROFLMFAO

[samuel]

Lowercase and 280:My post was one of those moments of weakness where my little brain went for a walk while I posted.I apoligise if you thought I was getting smart with either of you personally.I didnt intend to.I do have .280rem,s in M742,a breakopen H&R and a custom .280AI.The most accurate is the custom AI,followed by the H&R which has a 26"barrel,and the M742,s stay well under 2"groups which isnt shabby.The .280rem. was designed to give ballistics equal to or better than the .270win.using the m740 and m760 action.The .280 didnt really shine until they improved powders so we could get the fps using lower CUP readings.It has a great bullet selection in factory loads and even better for handloads.It is in the .30-06 family and as such,comparable to any cartridge in that family.From experience(either mine or someone elses)I am here to state the .280rem.is and always has been one hell of a hunting cartridge,and not bad on the range.And the AI chamber is just a little bit more of a good thing.The Nagant is right in there too as far as power.The military rifles cant be expected to be as accurate.And as to all prominent snipers starting with 7.62x54mm Nagants,I bet Hathcock and several others never fired a Nagant. sam.

[Capt'n Mil Coll]

Nope Sam didnt say promanant snipers. Hathcock is not even close to being a top world class sniper. At least in total numbers. Nothing against Carlos Hathcock he was in the top group of US snipers. At least for VietNam.

On this list which is really only a partial list Hathcock is 97th.

Just saying that the Mosin is one of the most accurate rifles ever made. Not saying every single one is.

Snipers of World War Two By Christopher Eger


And really come on you dont think military rifles can be as accurate as some hunting rifle???? The militarys of the world spend a lot of money to get the best most accurate sniper rifles they can. A lot more accurate than most hunting rifles.

[samuel]

Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

Nope Sam didnt say promanant snipers. Hathcock is not even close to being a top world class sniper. At least in total numbers. Nothing against Carlos Hathcock he was in the top group of US snipers. At least for VietNam.

On this list which is really only a partial list Hathcock is 97th.

Just saying that the Mosin is one of the most accurate rifles ever made. Not saying every single one is.

Snipers of World War Two By Christopher Eger


And really come on you dont think military rifles can be as accurate as some hunting rifle???? The militarys of the world spend a lot of money to get the best most accurate sniper rifles they can. A lot more accurate than most hunting rifles.

Probably the reason you didn't say prominent sniper is you didnt know how to spell it. I will take you through it verry slowly:P R O M I N E N T.There are no A,s in it.
You believe all of the Russian propaganda you wish,and call them the best.I believe the U.S. military always have been and are still the best that ever fought for their country and the right for you to degrade them. As for military arms being more accurate than our sporting arms,that is so rediculous it doesnt even deserve comment. sam.

[Capt'n Mil Coll]

Originally Posted by samuel

Probably the reason you didn't say prominent sniper is you didnt know how to spell it. I will take you through it verry slowly:P R O M I N E N T.There are no A,s in it.
You believe all of the Russian propaganda you wish,and call them the best.I believe the U.S. military always have been and are still the best that ever fought for their country and the right for you to degrade them. As for military arms being more accurate than our sporting arms,that is so rediculous it doesnt even deserve comment. sam.

Well Sam I wasnt attacking you just trying to show that the Mosin-Nagant is considered a very accurate rifle. As for your asertion that the US Military does not have accurate sniper rifles I can only say that statement is ridiculous. I will take you through that very slowly.
R I D I C U L O U S

[SwedeSteve]

HaHa! You 2! Quit it! You are both saying similar things! I think you have to take all these numbers with a grain of salt!

280- I, for one, think everyone has the right to their own opinion, period! And everyone has the right to have their own likes and dislikes. I for one, love Mosins for their simplicity, their caliber, and their history. That's just me. I think you calling them a POC is intentionally being rude. I also think it is a uninformed opinion! But hey, its yours.

[samuel]

Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

Well Sam I wasnt attacking you just trying to show that the Mosin-Nagant is considered a very accurate rifle. As for your asertion that the US Military does not have accurate sniper rifles I can only say that statement is ridiculous. I will take you through that very slowly.
R I D I C U L O U S

I never said the military didnt have accurate sniper rifles.I did hint that they didnt have Mosins.The only thing I said about accuracy was the issue military rifles in all nations are not nearly as accurate as our sporting rifles.As shown on here the Mosin,s seem to average 4"groups.The Enfield,Mauser,Springfield,Garand,and numerous others are considered accurate for their employment.Most are even satisfactory for deer size game,but htey arent equal to our hunting rifles.You cant float the barrel,bed the action,and load precision rounds for military issue rifles.Hathcock,whom you look down on carried a M70 Winchester and had a Unertl 8x scope designed to slide forward to absorb recoil.You had to slide it back after each shot,or pi** on it and let it rust so it wouldn't slide.Then it would take the crosshairs out so you would have to get an armorer to replace them with spiderweb.Hathcock,s rifle shot a 2" group at 100yds.It is in Maj. Edward Land,s collection at the USMC Scout Sniper training school in Quantico,Va.I have seen it but never touched it.The stories that weapon could tell! And your spelling is improving. sam.

[.280Rem]

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

HaHa! You 2! Quit it! You are both saying similar things! I think you have to take all these numbers with a grain of salt!

280- I, for one, think everyone has the right to their own opinion, period! And everyone has the right to have their own likes and dislikes. I for one, love Mosins for their simplicity, their caliber, and their history. That's just me. I think you calling them a POC is intentionally being rude. I also think it is a uninformed opinion! But hey, its yours.

Look, I'm a Remmy M700 fan. Lots of folks poo-poo them. It doesn't personally offend me the way it seems I've personally offended MN lovers. The fact that I call them a POS, is just my opinion, uninformed or not, and I hold that opinion, if for no other reason than they're butt ugly. Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun. Again, like you say, it's just an opinion. Seems many of the MN lovers here were as much trying to convince themselves as me, but that's just personal perception I'm sure. Also seems many took personal offense at me not liking their choice of weapon. Throw rocks all day long at the M700, I wont take offense, nor try to convince you to think otherwise. I don't make them, I just shoot them. An M700 .280 fired that tiny group postted earlier. Still many will tell me they aint worth spit. What do I care?

[turner]

Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

One thing to consider...all the TOP snipers in the WORLD got that way using MOSIN-NAGANT rifles.

SOOOOOOOOOOOO.. The thing we as Americans DO NOT give "special" staus about; "Assasinating" the enemy, we should give MORE creedence to with countries we were in conflict with? I happen to be retired military and simply wish you'd give that idea some thought! There is little doubt that OUR equipment and "shooters" are far better "scored", NO DOUBT!!!

[Mooseman684]

Now I remember why I sold My Remington 700's...Some of the owners are Snobs !
Why would someone come to the Mosin Section to post negatively, when they could shut up?..It is called FLAMING...
You don't have to post, if you don't like them, go to the Remington section...
To Call one of the most battle tested rifles in History a POS shows me that you..
A. Never had one or Fired one.
B. Are very Un-informed.
C. Trying to start an Argument with Mosin Collectors.
D. Seeking Attention.
E. Thinks your little Remington 700 is just the Best thing since toilet paper...
F. Doesn't know that My ammo is way CHEAPER than Your ammo...
(Hence More Fun!)
G. There is more History in these rifles than your Remington...AND way too many variations to even Number....
Friendly we are until somebody starts running the Mouth without Anything to back it up. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one...Some people know when to keep it to themselves.......
Fine , you don't like them...ENOUGH SAID.
Think before you post !!!

[Paper]

This was a pretty fun topic and group of posts..

Now, all I wish this forum had was an Ignore button.. I'd only need to use it twice, also.

I'd ignore one person who feels that all are stupid because he knows a subject up and down and all others who don't aren't worthy (his name starts and ends with a vowel)

And now there's one that admits he has zero experience with a weapon, but feels he's smart enough to make a complete judgement of a weapon based purely on external appearance..

Please bring forth the "Ignore User" button!!

Hey Moose.. Not all Remington 700 users are bad.. I've got a .308 Varmit Special BDL and I still own a Mosin.. (or 18 of em')

[MosinDave]

Originally Posted by .280Rem

Look, I'm a Remmy M700 fan. Lots of folks poo-poo them. It doesn't personally offend me the way it seems I've personally offended MN lovers. The fact that I call them a POS, is just my opinion, uninformed or not, and I hold that opinion, if for no other reason than they're butt ugly. Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun. Again, like you say, it's just an opinion. Seems many of the MN lovers here were as much trying to convince themselves as me, but that's just personal perception I'm sure. Also seems many took personal offense at me not liking their choice of weapon. Throw rocks all day long at the M700, I wont take offense, nor try to convince you to think otherwise. I don't make them, I just shoot them. An M700 .280 fired that tiny group postted earlier. Still many will tell me they aint worth spit. What do I care?

This entire post, along with all of your previous replies in this thread are incredibly passive aggressive, and I would even wager that you are just trolling. We are all entitled to our opinions, but you need some work on your delivery if you want to become respected here, or on any BBS for that matter. ( if that matters to you... you did take the time to reply to so many posts so I am assuming that you might... )
No one here is taking offense to you not liking Mosin Nagants. We are getting offended at your lack of respect for our forum, and your piss poor attitude toward our members. You couldn't even give a legitimate answer to a legitimate question that was asked of you.
Also, another point. This is the friendliest gun forum on the net. Find another that would have put up with your trolling for this long. I rest my case.

Shape up or ship out.

[Muddog]

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Now I remember why I sold My Remington 700's...Some of the owners are Snobs !
Why would someone come to the Mosin Section to post negatively, when they could shut up?..It is called FLAMING...
You don't have to post, if you don't like them, go to the Remington section...
To Call one of the most battle tested rifles in History a POS shows me that you..
A. Never had one or Fired one.
B. Are very Un-informed.
C. Trying to start an Argument with Mosin Collectors.
D. Seeking Attention.
E. Thinks your little Remington 700 is just the Best thing since toilet paper...
F. Doesn't know that My ammo is way CHEAPER than Your ammo...
(Hence More Fun!)
G. There is more History in these rifles than your Remington...AND way too many variations to even Number....
Friendly we are until somebody starts running the Mouth without Anything to back it up. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one...Some people know when to keep it to themselves.......
Fine , you don't like them...ENOUGH SAID.
Think before you post !!!

+1

[billy]

Originally Posted by MosinDave

This entire post, along with all of your previous replies in this thread are incredibly passive aggressive, and I would even wager that you are just trolling. We are all entitled to our opinions, but you need some work on your delivery if you want to become respected here, or on any BBS for that matter. ( if that matters to you... you did take the time to reply to so many posts so I am assuming that you might... )
No one here is taking offense to you not liking Mosin Nagants. We are getting offended at your lack of respect for our forum, and your piss poor attitude toward our members. You couldn't even give a legitimate answer to a legitimate question that was asked of you.
Also, another point. This is the friendliest gun forum on the net. Find another that would have put up with your trolling for this long. I rest my case.

Shape up or ship out.

passive aggressive?
who are you...... alan alda?







glad to have you back MD!

[.280Rem]

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Now I remember why I sold My Remington 700's...Some of the owners are Snobs !

Not the most solid reason to get rid of a good rifle.

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Why would someone come to the Mosin Section to post negatively, when they could shut up?..It is called FLAMING...

This is the "General Rifle Forum." You're free to search my posts, and I'm quite confident you'll never find me posting in the dedicated MN forum. That would be trolling and flaming.

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

You don't have to post, if you don't like them, go to the Remington section...

Again, it's the "General Rifle Forum. The original poster asked for opinions!
I gave mine. Yep, I knew it'd bring fire from the MN toters. I didn't care as I can have my opinion, I can state it, and I don't give a flying rip what any MN toter thinks of it.

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

To Call one of the most battle tested rifles in History a POS shows me that you..
A. Never had one or Fired one.
B. Are very Un-informed.
C. Trying to start an Argument with Mosin Collectors.
D. Seeking Attention.
E. Thinks your little Remington 700 is just the Best thing since toilet paper...
F. Doesn't know that My ammo is way CHEAPER than Your ammo...
(Hence More Fun!)
G. There is more History in these rifles than your Remington...AND way too many variations to even Number....

Here's where most MN/AK/SKS/ and ever the AR crowd and I differ. Selling me a hunting rifle by calling it battle tested wont sell me. The military rifle is what it is. It's original design was not for hunting. It's primary purpose and mission was to kill people, and go boom every time you pull the trigger. It's design didn't take hunting in to account at all. And you're correct I have never fired one, and don't intend to. I'm informed enough to know what they are and what they fire...they're nothing special in either regard, roughly equal to a .308, maybe a tad more, and a mass produced Russian military bolt gun. That aint no world beating, hammer of Thor power, nor anything special in the making. For history, the Mauser is far more highly respected. I didn't try to start an argument, I stated an opinion in response to a question that is contrary to some who wanted to argue with me. I do admit to knowing the reaction it would get, and I dont care. The reaction it got was pretty bad for merely stating an opinion. Threats, and name calling, personal attacks all because I don't like MN's. And I'm the troll? Not seeking attention. I attempted to give the OP an opinion that he asked for. He didn't ask for all the good things...he asked "what's the big deal?" I see no big deal, and stated so, and why. Again though, I discover "The friendliest gun sight on the net" only tolerates positive opinions. That comment about "little Remington 700" almost sounds like a school girl in an argument over who has the nicer shoes. Ridiculous and childish. But, like I said, I don't get bent out of shape over Remmy haters. Most ammo is cheaper than mine, I handload. No biggie to me, and besides, like the AK/SKS/MN crowd, I don't get my jollies just slinging lead down range and admiring the muzzle flash size.

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Friendly we are until somebody starts running the Mouth without Anything to back it up. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one...Some people know when to keep it to themselves.......

Again, I'll have to go read the posting rules, but does it say anywhere in there that if you don't like something or can't give only positive opinions on something that you must not post anything negative? I mean is that really what we want on a gun sight?

Fine , you don't like them...ENOUGH SAID.
Think before you post !!![/quote]

Right, I don't like them. I state that, and I said why. I also said they're everything you MN toters say they are. Tough, cheap, and have a history. None of which matters to me. That I agreed they are tough and cheap was totally ignored. Only that I don't like them was picked from my posts.

[Paper]

Originally Posted by .280Rem

Again, I'll have to go read the posting rules, but does it say anywhere in there that if you don't like something or can't give only positive opinions on something that you must not post anything negative? I mean is that really what we want on a gun sight?

No, it's not.. But the issue isn't what you said, but how you said it..

I'll show you what I mean by using your wife..

There's your way.. " I think your wife is the ugliest hunk of crap on the face of the earth, and I wouldn't do her if she threw herself at me"

And then there's the more polite way.. "I'm sure your wife is wonderful, but I choose a different looking woman due to my personal tastes."

Now, I don't know anything about your wife, or even if you're married, but if you take the time to read those two lines, you'll see that there's a FRIENDLY way to say you don't like something, and a hurtful way.. Your comments weren't FRIENDLY, which is why you've gained zero responses to support your feelings and actions..

No, it's not a popularity contest, and if you don't like a gun and feel that you need to post the reasons why, at least try to do it in a FRIENDLY manner..

I'm not a fan of AR's.. No reason other than they don't do anything for me. Personal opinion.. But I'm not here calling them a piece of crap, and I'm actually hanging around in the AR forum asking questions so that I'm more knowledgable about the weapon, and will purchase one in the near future..
I've never fired one, but I'm not closed minded and I'm willing to learn and not be negative..

Try it once.. You'll find that you might learn something and make friends in the process.