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Old 05-09-2008, 03:12 PM   #21
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Libertarians

Interesting isn't it. One day the Libertarians will rule
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:14 PM   #22
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My father is a hard core republican when it comes to how he votes, but when he talks about his views he is a hard core libertarian.

I don't understand him, but he is old and stuck in his ways.

Look at the statistics on that page, the conservatives are in the major minority.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:19 PM   #23
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Answering the questions that have a moral or ethical issue really made/makes a difference. I took it answering the questions where a moral or ethical answer could have been used, and then answered the rest different ways. These were the results.

Each time, right conservative was the score. So far I've only taken it twice, first, 30% and 70% and the second 20% and 80%. With the first score was closest to Centrist.

Definitely having a moral or even ethical influence in your answer makes a big difference.

Not using moral or ethical in my 3rd/last score says it all --- Results were Libertarian-60% and 100%.

I truly didn't think having morals or ethics would make you a conservative, let alone a right wing conservative?

First score 30% and 70% >


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Second score 20% and 80% >

Third score 60% and 100% ,not using moral or ethical influence and answering the other questions where no moral or ethical influence was there and answered as I thought would do country the best for this country >>>



There were several, a multitude of different ways I could have answered the questions and gotten a wide variety of scores all over the board. In my honest opinion, tests like this are similar and as worthless as aptitude or other tests where a person can influence the results simply by juggling the answers in different ways. I don't think tests like this give a true indication UNLESS those that take it answer them honestly.

The aptitude tests I speak of are the ones that are multiple choice and are used to see where your interests lie. Unless you answer them based on your true feelings and with what you have done in the past, based on your interests and not answer them with what you'd like to do that would make you the most money, you won't get true results.

To explain that further, if I take an aptitude test to see what I might want to do with my life, and answer with what would make me happy doing for a living and answer the questions accordingly I'll get an indication and result of what would make me happiest. Where as if I answer those same questions based on what I kind of enjoy and what I know would not necessarily make me happiest but make me more money through out my life, the outcome would be and generally is different. Sure, I might make more money, but I'll be miserable in the long run. Because I'm not doing what makes me happiest but what makes me the most cash. And I don;t know about you, but jut having cash don't make one truly happy. I know many with cash and they're miserable and have worse problems than I. Hell, just look at half of the Hollywood many and how most can't hold a relationship or stay out of trouble or away from drugs. All the money in the world only makes you happy for the moment. Eventually reality sets in.

My point in posting any of the results for this test is to show they don't really factor in, or factor out, possible false indicators. What I mean by that, factor in or out that people won't factor in moral or ethical standards on the questions where it would make a difference in the results.

I only used aptitude tests as an example because they are generally a test where the results based on answering questions in different was can easily influence the results, as with this test/quiz...

I'm sure I'll get plenty of, well let me just say input, but O well. Such is life. There will always be someone who disagrees with someone else...

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Look at the statistics on that page, the conservatives are in the major minority.
Not sure what you mean, it only shows conservative as being 8.90%. What I mean is copy and pasted below... Please explain what you're talking about?

How People Have Scored

Centrist 33.64 %

Right (Conservative) 8.90 %

Libertarian 32.82 %

Left (Liberal) 16.75 %

Statist (Big Government) 7.88 %

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Old 05-09-2008, 03:23 PM   #24
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There is a slight difference glock. To many people it is not about morals it is about rights of the individual. For example whether you morally agree/disagree on pro choice or whether you think regardless of your personal morals the government has no right to control a woman's body.

All the big issues like that in our country are really morally based, and the problem with issues like that is that people want to push their morals on to others by making it legal or illegal.

I do have a moral opinion on lots of issues but at the same time I try to reserve the right to the individual first, which is what Libertarians are all about.

On the statistics it shows that on average of every total person who has visited that site, only 8.9% are conservative, which is the second to lowest score on that page. Meaning that most people are Liberal in their views or at least somewhat liberal and yet no one will admit it if they are a republican.
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I have to take my kid to baseball practice, I'm sure this will now be a hot topic. WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO. lol But I'd love to touch on what you just said tlarkin.

If anyone read what I had before I edited it, I had to redo it because I'm in a hurry and it wasn't coming out how I need it to. lol

But tlarkin, I'd love to discuss this further, the it's not about morals and ethics it's about rights of the individual is the main one for me. Quickly before I go, you have to have limits, otherwise you have chaos.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:43 PM   #26
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I have to take my kid to baseball practice, I'm sure this will now be a hot topic. WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO. lol But I'd love to touch on what you just said tlarkin.

One quick thing I'll say, you have to have morals and ethics in Government. Otherwise they'd all be crooked. Also, if you let "adults" do whatever they want, just because they're "adults", can you imagine how many more fatherless children there's be or how much worse the health care system in this country would be if "adults could do what ever drug they wanted? What would that say to children?

There's far more points I could make. I gotta run, but I'll look for this one, unless it gets closed. This one gonna get good. lol
Obviously, there is gray in this. If I kill someone in self defense, it is OK because I have a right to self defense. However, it is still murder, killing is killing even in self defense. Now, if I kill someone because I feel like it, that is of course wrong.

Morals do have a play in it you are correct, but when a moral oppresses a right it is wrong in the view of a Libertarian. Like the last example I gave about abortion. To a Libertarian it is about reproductive rights, to a conservative it is murder. Given certain circumstances like rape, deformaties, health complications, so on and so forth make it even more gray of an area. You can't outlaw things for certain circumstances all the time otherwise the law would be convoluted and our legal system would be even more tied up than it already is.

So, I think what it comes down to is that if a moral should over ride a personal right. That is what each individual has to decide to form their opinion.

As for morals in the government, I am sorry but they are totally amoral in my mind. They should not let morals of outside influence sway their judgments. At the same time there does have to be some base moral ground as well, but Washington is pretty much amoral. They will care for you in one hand, and slap you with the other when you aren't looking.
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Meaning that most people are Liberal in their views or at least somewhat liberal and yet no one will admit it if they are a republican.
"Republican" does not necessarily equal "Conservative"

Most Libertarians are Repulican, but not all Republicans are Libertarians either.
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having sum fun

tlarkin: Glockmiester: fellows be real. 4-5 questions will determine the outcome of our world social, political, bureaucracy, journals.

Right isn't alway wright
Left isn't alway cleft
Libertarian is alway the Librarian

Wouldn't it be wonderful "if" we could settle ?thoughts? ?thinking? without rhetoric. Wouldn't it be wonderful "If" we all got the same answer?

You would have to be outta your friggin mind. I'd shoot myself and be done with it all. It takes all of us to make sense of "It all"
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Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:16 PM   #30
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I am also a Libertarian.......
I thought you were a liberal
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I hate this test.

It says I'm a liberal. If it had a face i'd punch it in it.
My feelings exactly
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:27 PM   #32
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I thought you were a liberal

Well, you thought wrong. I am a Libertarian by definition I guess, but I am definitely conservative on certain issues.
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Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 40%.
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Haha, very nice. Do you have a carry gun picked out yet?
probably a styer m9

i have heard good things and the last time i shot one in operated flawlessly , not to mention it felt right in my hands, not the most accurate but im looking for carry not target

my dad has a makarov lined up for me to, and the day i turn 21 im getting the styer and a .357 magnum, probably a smith and wesson on an n frame, wood and metal by the way
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There's not enough questions on this test for it to be accurate.
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Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%.
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Wow, great quiz. I don't see that morals have anything to do with it really, that may be a bit over-analyzing? But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong as they say.

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Libertarian

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%.
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Bottom line, I almost agreed with everything, but the only disagreement I have with the national libertarian platform is on trade, so I was in the middle there.

I've never completely understood the 100% free trade argument. The fact of the matter is there are people willing to work for a a nickel and a half-pound of monkey meat a day, and there are companies overseas (and here I'm sorry to say) more than willing to screw Americans and take them up on it. There has to be some trade protection, because we just can't compete with people willing to work for so little.

BUT, maybe the answer IS free trade and I'm missing something, and the goal is to raise the standard of living for everyone? But that's a ways off I'm afraid, and in the meantime I don't like monkey meat...

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Unsurprisingly...Libertarian, almost perfectly:


I want government out of personal choices, and I don't know how people ever expect the government to give you handouts. They should be there for national defense and infrastructure. I thought that's what the Founders wanted.

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Not that I didn't already know:



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