Fla teacher accused of wizardry

[JohnBlaze]

I agree with your examples, but disagree that liberalism has anything to do with this particular example of stupidity.

[soonerborn]

Originally Posted by TXplt

CO2 will always exist anytime you burn anything. .

Hydrogen?












lol, just pickin on ya

Originally Posted by JohnBlaze

I agree with your examples, but disagree that liberalism has anything to do with this particular example of stupidity.

Well I disagree that you disagree that I disagree...or something like that.

I think it has a lot to do with it. They have taken complete control of our educational system and the whole touchy feely liberal mentality has so permeated our educators thinking that they rush into ludicrous decisions like this. Not that the decision itself has anything to do with liberalism, just the influence over the minds of people in place to make these decisions.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by TXplt

...The global warming "theory" is simply an elaborate scam to exploit people's technical ignorance and tax/defraud people. The reason why carbon was picked is because most of us think of black and dirty when we think of carbon and coal--purely for psychological effect. Also, while it's possible to separate real pollutants, CO2 will always exist anytime you burn anything. Theoretically, you and I could be taxed for breathing more or less.

To say proponents of belief in global warming are wrong, or that CO2 is unmanageable, is one thing. But to believe anything spread that deep and wide throughout the worldwide scientific community is somehow a deliberate scam takes almost breathtaking paranoia in my opinion, on a scale with claiming that evolution is an elaborate hoax. You'd have to have an impossible number of people in on it, somehow recruited, organized and guided by an evil mastermind.

I haven't studied your references. But I'd like to point out that one can dig up people with impressive credentials to oppose absolutely anything at all, no matter how solidly grounded it is in fact or theory. I wouldn't be surprised to find that some of the folks out there claiming the moon landings were a hoax have Phd.'s.

Granted, scientic facts aren't decided by voting. But not being a scientist myself, I think this time I'll go with the vast majority of scientists, rather than the relative handful who say otherwise.

[soonerborn]

heh

evolution is a hoax! didnt you get the memo?

[ArkansasHunter]

Back to the Teacher.
Wouldn't you think that 1 of the 2 teacher's associations would take up for the guy ?
And the ACLU ?

[JohnBlaze]

there's got to be another thing going on. if there wasn't he would have gotten a lawyer.

[TXplt]

Originally Posted by troy2000

To say proponents of belief in global warming are wrong, or that CO2 is unmanageable, is one thing. But to believe anything spread that deep and wide throughout the worldwide scientific community is somehow a deliberate scam takes almost breathtaking paranoia in my opinion, on a scale with claiming that evolution is an elaborate hoax. You'd have to have an impossible number of people in on it, somehow organized and guided by an evil mastermind.

I haven't studied your references. But I'd like to point out that one can dig up people with impressive credentials to oppose absolutely anything at all, no matter how solidly grounded it is in fact or theory. I wouldn't be surprised to find that some of the folks out there claiming the moon landings were a hoax have Phd.'s.

Granted, scientic facts aren't decided by voting. But not being a scientist myself, I think this time I'll go with the vast majority of scientists, rather than the relative handful who say otherwise.

Many are guided by money and attention, the same as everything else. I didn't say an evil mastermind was guiding them, but it is in many of the vocal scientists best self-interests that this theory "take off" at least financially and credibility-wise. This is why it's got the attention that it has. And the idea is not universally accepted at all in the scientific community--some scientists have just found more vocal means to spout their poison than others (wacky scientific theories combined with politics are a bad combination, and this isn't the first time something like this has been done in history). Many scientists and climatologists have come out against so-called global warming theory ! I'd encourage you to look at the technical facts yourself--that's what I've done and how I've formed my opinions. Look at all sides. It's not so much based on other's work as it is, when I look at the data I come to the conclusion how absurd the global warming theory is. When I look at the lack of data, and the improper extrapolation of data by global warming "scientists" I come to the conclusion they're wrong.

You may want to look into this yourself--I think you're being duped.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by JohnBlaze

there's got to be another thing going on. if there wasn't he would have gotten a lawyer.

This is a breaking story, I think. Stay tuned for new developments...it isn't over yet.

Originally Posted by TXplt

Many are guided by money and attention, the same as everything else. This is why it's got the attention that it has. And the idea is not universally accepted at all in the scientific community--some scientists have just found more vocal means to spout their poison than others (wacky scientific theories combined with politics are a bad combination, and this isn't the first time something like this has been done in history). Many scientists and climatologists have come out against so-called global warming theory ! I'd encourage you to look at the technical facts yourself--that's what I've done and how I've formed my opinions. Look at all sides. It's not so much based on other's work as it is, when I look at the data I come to the conclusion how absurd the global warming theory is. When I look at the lack of data, and the improper extrapolation of data by global warming "scientists" I come to the conclusion they're wrong.

They may be wrong, TXplt, although from what I've read global warming makes sense to me. My objection was more to the idea that it's somehow an organized, conspiratorial hoax, than to the idea that it may be a bad theory.

By the way, here's a pretty good overview of the subject. You don't have to be a scientist to understand it, but it isn't dumbed down to the point of being useless, either:

The Greenhouse Effect & Greenhouse Gases

[TXplt]

I personally think it's a bad theory, and is certainly not to the point we can begin regulating based on it (this is what gets me fired up--the regulation/taxation without proof or understanding). You and everyone else are free to believe in it and make up your own minds; just please don't tax me or force me to buy "carbon credits."

Thanks for the link as well--I continue to like to look at all sides of this--when you look at it and the spectral ones in my last post, I think you'll find that the estimation of heat generating reflected IR "power" due to carbon don't agree amongst most sources (both back to the earth as well as back into space), and convection ability of the atmosphere isn't considered at all (as if we had any models that worked well to do this....). Most of the theories also tend to ignore the inherent resilience of physics and nature--as heat differential increases, so does power flow from hot to cold--an inherent thermodynamic principle. This is why the proponents of the theory need to rely on historical extrapolations.

Cheers.

[patrick70]

Originally Posted by tlarkin

This is exactly why Fark.com has a Florida tag, because crap like this only happens in Florida.

What do you know about FLORIDA.

[bigbuddy21]

global warming is a hoax. there are more and more experts who are disagreeing with the concept than there are that agree. and it is a way to defraud/tax the wealthy
nations.
do you remember just thirty yrs. ago the same people who are crying global warming was touting the next ice age. what happened to that?
i do believe that there is a cycle to everything. a lot of experts are saying that we are in a warming cycle, but it's not man made. soon we will be in a cooling cycle,
actually i think we are allready in it. there is no way that man could destroy the planet. look how old it is and all of the "ages" it has been thru.
it's only mans ego that thinks we can destroy it.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by bigbuddy21

global warming is a hoax. there are more and more experts who are disagreeing with the concept than there are that agree. and it is a way to defraud/tax the wealthy nations.
do you remember just thirty yrs. ago the same people who are crying global warming was touting the next ice age. what happened to that?
i do believe that there is a cycle to everything. a lot of experts are saying that we are in a warming cycle, but it's not man made. soon we will be in a cooling cycle,
actually i think we are allready in it. there is no way that man could destroy the planet. look how old it is and all of the "ages" it has been thru.
it's only mans ego that thinks we can destroy it.

How on Earth do you think so many scientists worldwide could even be convinced to perpetrate such a hoax, much less organize and coordinate all their data to support it?

And no, it isn't the "same people." Thirty or forty years ago it was a few scientists speculating about possibilities, and newspapers and magazines picking the story up and sensationalizing it. This time there's a general (I didn't say unanimous) consensus in the scientific community that something is happening and the evidence is there.

No one is claiming the planet's about to be "destroyed." They're just saying it could get harder and less pleasant for humans to live on. And lest you forget, there are signs of several mass extinctions in the fossil record in the past, where at least fifty percent of all extant species died out.

If we did manage to somehow kill ourselves and take a lot of other species with us, I'm sure the planet would survive anyway and new species would arise. But that would be small consolation to the ghosts of our children...

[JohnBlaze]

you guys are WAAAAY off topic, why don't you open another thread about global warming?

besides, althoug I may not agree with the evidence for global warming, (there was actually a study released a while back that said just dairy cows themselves put out more CO2 and Methane gas than automobiles) the fact is the average temperature of the planet is steadily rising, and the polar caps ARE melting, and climates around the world are changing.

Wether it's got anything to do with man and his carbon footprint--who knows?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by JohnBlaze

you guys are WAAAAY off topic, why don't you open another thread about global warming?

besides, althoug I may not agree with the evidence for global warming, (there was actually a study released a while back that said just dairy cows themselves put out more CO2 and Methane gas than automobiles) the fact is the average temperature of the planet is steadily rising, and the polar caps ARE melting, and climates around the world are changing.

Wether it's got anything to do with man and his carbon footprint--who knows?

That's half the fun around here, John. When a good thread gets started, it wanders all over the map sometimes. But eventually it'll get back to the topic at hand.

I don't mind the side trips; I'm not in a hurry to get anywhere anyway.

[Windwalker]

Sooner Born, no one group has a predominance of idiots. Both liberals and conservatives have their share. and there are plenty of them left.
Now back to the original thread. Shades of Harry Potter,Wizards! It would be interesting to know which of our esteemed educators made such a charge. If someone made this charge in writing and it keeps Piculas from getting teaching jobs then he should have a great Libel suit.

[JohnBlaze]

Amazing, i just researched into this case a bit. I figured that he was a teacher at some kind of religious school, like a Christian or Catholic school. He wasn't; it was a standard government controlled school. How do they justify that? Also, alot of the results for "teacher magic trick" on google talk about education experts encouraging teachers to learn magic tricks as "attention grabbers" and rewards to students.

It's a weird case.

The school district is now saying that he:

Pasco County School District says Piculas had other performance issues, such as deviating from lesson plans, allowing students to use unauthorized computers and allowing a student to supervise a fifth-period class. In fact, the district says the term “wizardry” was never used at all.

hmm.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by JohnBlaze

Amazing, i just researched into this case a bit. I figured that he was a teacher at some kind of religious school, like a Christian or Catholic school. He wasn't; it was a standard government controlled school. How do they justify that? Also, alot of the results for "teacher magic trick" on google talk about education experts encouraging teachers to learn magic tricks as "attention grabbers" and rewards to students.
It's a weird case.
The school district is now saying that he: "Pasco County School District says Piculas had other performance issues, such as deviating from lesson plans, allowing students to use unauthorized computers and allowing a student to supervise a fifth-period class. In fact, the district says the term “wizardry” was never used at all."
hmm.

Although I wasn't there, I don't think I believe the school. It's hard to imagine a teacher coming up with that story on his own as the reason they fired him...

I would imagine some over-zealous, mindlessly-religious goofball of a parent complained, and the school panicked.

[JohnBlaze]

in Florida? I'd believe a parent complaint about wizardry would do it in 17th century Salem, Massachusetts, or maybe some backwoods rural town in Alabama somwhere, but an urban school in Florida? IDK. Everyone's lying.

[Girlgun]

nukes and co2 and global warming... wow, we move fast on this forum! lol! I'm an advocate of manure power myself: it burns up the methane, cleans up the water table, is totally renewable and makes farmers, not oil guys, really rich. Besides, I like the principal. Alas, no one has asked me to run for office. Just as well. I'd have a hard time choosing political compadres.
As for the wizard? H*ll's bells! I don't blame any political party. Just wacked beaurocracy! True story though: they banned Halloween here because the religious majority decided it was a religious holiday (for Pagans) and they were mad that they had been banned from celebrating their religious holiday! (no more merry Christmas, Happy Holidays now) For real!

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by JohnBlaze

in Florida? I'd believe a parent complaint about wizardry would do it in 17th century Salem, Massachusetts, or maybe some backwoods rural town in Alabama somwhere, but an urban school in Florida? IDK. Everyone's lying.

Not necessarily, John. I've personally known nutball Bible thumpers, who saw witchcraft and the work of the devil under every bed and behind every tree. And that was in California. And there are also plenty of other people who believe in witchcraft and wizardry, too. Like folks who are into Obeah, for example; I imagine there are at least a few of those in Florida, since it's so close to the West Indies...