05-11-2008, 11:39 AM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: FLORIDA
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| Rambo, do you really know what a liberal is?IT just seems you got everything backwards. |
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05-11-2008, 12:01 PM
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A quote from JFK is a good start, though: "If by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal.' I don't believe the American government is inherently evil. We need to keep an eye on whoever's in charge and keep them honest, but it's ridiculous to claim the very fact they ran for office proves they're all crooks and scum. If that were true, there'd be no point in democracy. I don't believe the American people are dupes and suckers, to be sneered at by conservatives and not trusted with the right to vote. They screw up a lot in the short run, but they almost always get it right eventually. I don't believe it's our God-given duty to cram American-style Democracy and freedom down the throats of the rest of the world, whether they want it or not. I don't think the government has any business trying to control my personal life, and trying to stuff someone else's religion, morality, lifestyle or tastes down my throat. I believe in providing public education, public health care, and public assistance to those who need it. That's not charity; it's self-defense, just like sewer systems and running water protect us from filth and disease. I wouldn't complain about some of my tax dollars going to help strangers anyway. I figure if I'm healthy enough, smart enough and lucky enough to be able to make my own way in the world, I can afford to give a little back. I believe it's a proper function of the government to keep businesses honest, and stop them from ripping us off; individuals don't have the resources to defend themselves from crooked corporations. I don't believe people should be looked down on and mistreated or barred from opportunities on the basis of their skin color, their religion or where their ancestors are from. Or because they're from California, either...  Last edited by troy2000; 05-11-2008 at 12:17 PM. | |
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05-11-2008, 12:43 PM
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These are the observations from my growing up and my experience in the military. Ours was a poor neighborhood made up of working class, union families. None of us could afford college. Every family voted Democrat and every family sent their boys off to Vietnam, starting in the early 60's until the end. Now maybe these guys supported the Commander-in-Chief but they came from Liberal, Democratic families. Even the black families sent their kids off to war as did the hispanic ones. We were lower middle class-poor. We all hunted, had guns, bows, knives, etc. before we had cars. In the military, most drill sgts were black, probably from minority families (who are traditionally Liberal democrats) Most war protestors were college students and only the wealthy could afford to send their kids to college back then. Even the wealthy could buy their sons a spot in the National Guard when there were no openings, just so their sons( Dan Quail, George Bush, jr) would not have to go to Vietnam. the wealthy were made up of mostly Conservatives, although some Liberals did have money also. Today things may be different. I'm not in the military today so can't say one way or another. But I do know alot of young men going in the military that are coming from Liberal households. As for Conservative ones, I don't know of any personally.
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05-11-2008, 12:53 PM
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05-11-2008, 02:04 PM
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| I come from a lower middle class family too.All the elders in my family were conservative Democrats,but during the 70s they started voting republican.I was'nt around in the 60s,but I was told by my elders that the" antiwar types" were left wing radicals that changed the democratic Party from" Middle of the road"into full blown liberalism.They tried to pin the war on Nixon,but in reality Kennedy got our ground forces in there,and the war grew with Johnson.I was in the ARMY in the '90s,yeah there were some liberals ,but the vast majority of soldiers were conservative's from the south,midwest,and western United States,not many from the northeast.I'm originally from New York City,and all the liberals I knew up there were of the extreme left wing type,real fanatics that had a strong dislike for Conservatives.They blame all of the world's problems on us,but they will never admit to their short comings.That tread that mitch had with the list about liberals is really dead on in my experience.I feel the liberals have really run this country into the ground. |
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05-11-2008, 02:45 PM
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| Eisenhower sent the first of many military "Observers" to Vietnam about 1955 or so. Combat trained troops but we called them observers.
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05-11-2008, 04:15 PM
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| Troy2k, IF Liberals are your obvious answer as to whom should run our country, why are they attempting to take away our personal firearms freedoms as well as the 2nd Amendment? Why are there attempts at the highest financial donor positions within the Liberal (George Soros) and Democratic Party so intent on skewering a War Hero like John McCain? Do they really covet and believe as you do... or do they simply just say it to get elected? |
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05-11-2008, 04:21 PM
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05-11-2008, 06:08 PM
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awareness. Someone calling a leftist a nasty name is immature and impolite and avoiding the issues. | |
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05-11-2008, 06:08 PM
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I always thought I was conservative but these days I'm a liberal just by being a Democrat. Go figure?
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05-11-2008, 06:21 PM
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Might I point out that, contrary to your earlier statement, neither of the Dem candidates were ever in the military. They were born rich. They want you unarmed. My Grandpa was a Democrat but he damn sure was not a liberal. The Democrat party was essentially taken over by the leftwing socialists in the 1960's and has been nothing but a drain on the country since. The real "liberals" of the day either became Republicans or Libertarians. The fake "liberals" of today are just lock step Marxists, continuing to force a economic and social system that is 150 years old and a proven failure. Liberals, who claim to be so forward looking and on the cutting edge of society, are just recycling the same old failures of the USSR and China. | |
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05-11-2008, 06:35 PM
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I found to my surprise that by modern definitions I not only wasn't a conservative, but didn't want to be one; I'd been somewhere between a moderate and a liberal all along and hadn't realized it. And unlike the normal trend, which is supposedly to become more conservative as one ages, I'm getting more liberal as I get older. By the time I hit ninety, I'll probably be a wild-eyed radical.
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05-11-2008, 06:45 PM
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I actually feel out of step with both parties on different issues but stay with the Democrats because I still believe in the inherent good of my fellow man no matter where he comes from or what circumstances has brought him to this point in life.
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05-11-2008, 06:57 PM
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05-11-2008, 09:03 PM
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| "Blazing Saddles" GOV Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johnson Creek, WI
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IF Liberals are your obvious answer as to whom should run our country, why are they attempting to take away our personal firearms freedoms as well as the 2nd Amendment? Can you handle a simple question, yes or no ? | |
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05-11-2008, 10:43 PM
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| Banned Join Date: Apr 2008
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| That's right, republicans tried to get a Flag desecration Amendment to the Constitution. And I believe a Balanced Budget Amendment as well. But in each case they followed exactly the procedure set down in the Constitution by the Founding Fathers. Our unique republican form of government has as it's cornerstone a principle known as Self-determination/Self-government. The Founders admonished future generations of Americans to hold this sacred and warned against any temptation to change the Constitution in any other way. George Washington even addressed this in his Farewell Address at the conclusion of his presidencey. There are only two methods of amending the constitution that are non tyrannical. One is a constitutional convention, much the same as the one that created the constitution in 1787. The other is for both houses of Congress to approve a resolution for amendment by a 2/3 majority. If this first test is passed the proposed amendment is sent to the states where a 3/4 majority of the states or their legislatures have to approve said amendment to effect ratification. This has to be accomplished within a time period stipulated at the outset. What this means is that in order to do something as serious as amending our Constitution requires a consensus of the people (self-government). It is this extremely important protocol that keeps us from perpetual armed conflict, unlike much of the rest of the world. To the extent that this tenet is not followed, to that extent we risk becoming a banana republic. So to criticize republicans for following the proper procedure, simply because you or your political cohorts disagree with them is the height of elitism and completely at odds with the concept of concensus and self-determination. In other words the American system is not for you. On the other side of the coin we have democ-rats who have tryannically amended the constitution countless times, since FDR first showed his party how it could be forcefully abrogated. Many of FDR's New Deal programs were being, correctly, ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, so he first tried to gain control of the Court by increasing the number of associate justices from 9 to 12. Being unsuccessful in that, he set out to publically harangue a couple of the older justices until they finally said, life is too short for this, and hung up their robes. And of course he served 3 full terms, so he eventually got control of the Court. It was the first real politization of the High Court. Ever since this time this method of (tyrannically) amending the constitution has been the democ-rat's modus operandi. Meaning, that of all the times they've amended it since then, only a couple have been by the prescribed method. And in the last 40 yrs or so, the only proper attempt was the ERA (equal rights amendment) which, even though the original time period was improperly extended, failed to muster the 3/4 majority of the states to effect ratification. The fact that it made it to the states for their consideration, unlike the Flag and Budget proposals, bodes well for republicans. The democ-rats propensity for amendment by judicial decree (judicial activism) is a constant point of contention for conservatives. The practice is a commentary on elitism and disdain for self-government. While democ-rats have blocked approval of several republican judicial appointments to the High Court over recent years, actually making an inquisition of the proceedings, it's worth noting that former ACLU attorney Ruth Bader Ginsburg, notwithstanding her known disregard for constitutional principle, only received 3 nay votes in her confirmation. In today's political atmosphere John Kennedy would be a conservative or at least not a worse democ-rat than John McCain. His economic principle was supply side, much as Reagan's and he was an anti-communist. He would not have subscribed to the marxist tendencies of today's dem party, i.e., socialism, redistribution of wealth, class-warfare/race-baiting, etc. The left wrested control of the dem party in 1968, but even before that it had drifted far enough to the left to cause many people to abandon ship. Reagan and several people in his administration's (california and Washington), Bill Bennett, Jean Kirkpatrick, and many other big names today, not to speak of thousands of ordinary citizens. As those people are fond of saying, "I didn't leave the democ-rat party, it left me." I think it's very telling that the American Communist Party (CPUSA) has endorsed the democ-rats the last two election cycles. |
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05-11-2008, 10:50 PM
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| Resident Armed Liberal | Quote:
Go away, son; ya bodda me.
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05-11-2008, 10:58 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn
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| looks like someone found a sore spot! |
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05-11-2008, 11:38 PM
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__________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 05-11-2008 at 11:43 PM. | |
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05-12-2008, 05:54 AM
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| Banned Join Date: Jan 2008
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| Liberals are not happy and never will be. Today's Liberals agree with NOTHING or no ONE. They find fault with everything and offer no solvable solution but only ridicule. Conservatves are trying and they offer solutions in their debates and they address issues. True Democrats do as well, except the Democrat is being outnumbered by the whiners and the left wing jerks who rather find fault and offer no workable answers. The True Democrat is lost in a maze of chaos and confusion surrounded by extreme left wing aggitators and self-centered grown up Hippies. Conservatives never had the WHACKOS enter their ranks and may be lost now and then over a solution on an issue but get no help or guidence from the left, only insults, accusations and bashing. When I look at the Presidental race and I see who is sitting on the side lines enjoying the Horse and pony show, I can only conclude that the Conservatives have addressed the issues and are ready to move on and the left aren't even happy with themselves and are confused over which idiot to vote for. publius EXCELLENT POST and very very well written. It shows you have executed thought in your criticism and that is something you will NOT get in return. Without question, CONSERVATIVES are far HAPPIER Last edited by Wingwiper; 05-12-2008 at 06:01 AM. |
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