303 for water buffalo? - Page 2

Taurus Fan · 05-11-2008, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan123

You have no idea. Yes they came from the same place, they are Asiatic Water Buffalo. Yes they are domesticated in their native country.

They have been wild animals here since the First fleet. They are a very dangerous animal, and can and will kill you in a heart beat.

Relax, Nathan, I was being facetious. I'm surprised how fast someone took the bait.

samuel · 05-11-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by irish murphy

I dont think it would matter if it was an asiatic water buff or a cape buff.They are all big cranky buggers.

Do you think a moose or a American bison,or elk cant get that way?We have had numerous events where moose and elk charged a semi truck for blowing their airhorn.By the way,usually a semi is usually big enough,but it may be injured severly. sam.

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Originally Posted by wirehunt

So what do you say about the arrow chuckers then samuel? 20 push bikes than 10 cars than......

If you need more than 180 X 10 (=1800 which equals a lot of lead) to kill these raging buffs then you need to go back to shooting school.

I am ready to return to any type firearms training you are willing to finance for me and thank you for the offer.Right now I am involved in coaching certain rifle training and like it slightly better than training myself because they pay me,instead of the other way,but I believe you can never learn it all,even at 68yrs old. sam.

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Originally Posted by Taurus Fan

Water Buffalos? Asian Water Buffalos? When I was in Viet Nam I used to see little kids herding them around with a stick to keep them moving. Hell yeah, I'd shoot one of them with a .303, they're just a dumb cow. Like shooting a Holstein

Little kids herd housewives/mothers around too.Have you ever tried to do it when they revert back to their wild state? sam.

Jimmy243 · 05-11-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by webs

Lets see,why not hunt Whitetail with a .22 rimfire.It would kill them(sooner or later) and a 50 round clip should be adequate.Why take the chance of wounding an animal that could result in personal injury to the hunter or suffering to the animal.

Not quite the same thing- A 22 has about 1/10th the kinetic energy of say a 270 (Ideal whitetail rifle). A 303 has about 1/2 the kinetic energy (conservatively) of something like a 375H&H (what I'm told is a good buffalo gun).
I appreciate the experienced advice of murphy, nathan and others, but the above is not really helpful.
As for buffalo being just big dumb cows... I wouldn't say it to their face.

Mike Franklin · 05-11-2008, 09:28 AM

Depends on how ya hunt'm. If ya see a Buff 150 yards away on open ground you can easily put 10 rounds in one. Now if yer creeping through the brush and come nose to nose maybe not.

webs · 05-11-2008, 10:42 AM

Jimmy243,there are 3 words that may possibly help,Quickly,Cleanly,and Humanely.Others have suggested a bigger rifle for hunting Water Buffalo and I would tend to agree.No doubt a .22 rimfire would take down a Whitetail and a .303 a Water Buffalo, but are they the best choices?Will multiple shots be needed? Will you be able to get off multiple shots?Also add to the fact that if wounded this animal may try and run you over.I believe you stated your only choice was a .303 and IMO there are better choices in rifles.I could care less what you use but you ask for opinion and this is mine.

Mooseman684 · 05-11-2008, 11:13 AM

We have Bison Buffalo here and we are restricted to Magnum rifles shooting .30 Cal. 200 Grain bullets Minimum By Law...Even then you feel pretty Inadequate if a Large Bull charges you at 40 miles an hour, so we hunt in parties of 2-4 people... Even hitting a Vital spot does not mean that the animal will die Instantly as I have discovered on large dangerous game. They can take a lot more than us Humans Can !!!
Rich

nathangdad · 05-11-2008, 11:18 AM

. . . . anything is possible but the .303 is underpowered for this purpose.
A great deal has been written about hunting this game and I suggest you
read to learn of more optimal calibers.

Windwalker · 05-11-2008, 11:31 AM

There are people killed by buffalo every year. It would seem to me that hunting buffalo with a marginally powerful gun would be a good way to become a statistic. If you are hunting something that will try to kill you there is no such thing as too much gun as long as you can fire it accurately. I have never hunted these buffalo but if I were going to I would greatfully get all the advice I could from experienced hunters like Irish and Nathan 123 so that I could reasonably expect to come back from this hunt alive.

billy · 05-11-2008, 12:03 PM

heck a regular ol milk cow COULD kill you
but i have never hunted something that WANTS to and WILL if you dont stop it!

after i shot the animal i would prolly die from an adrenalin OD!

irish murphy · 05-11-2008, 03:48 PM

A LOT of misinformed opinion in this thread.Either that or a few shit stirrers/trolls looking for bites.If you want to come over and use a 303 on buff be my guest.And when you are on the news barly alive or dead i will laugh.A few comments on here are just plain stupid and made without any idea of what a buffalo in the australian top end is like.Hell why not go after the top end pigs with a 22magnum???Hey they couldnt be as tough as anything you have seen in the states.Bloody keyboard hunters.That isnt everyone in this thread,there was also some really smart comments.

Originally Posted by irish murphy

I dont think it would matter if it was an asiatic water buff or a cape buff.They are all big cranky buggers.
Do you think a moose or a American bison,or elk cant get that way?We have had numerous events where moose and elk charged a semi truck for blowing their airhorn.By the way,usually a semi is usually big enough,but it may be injured severly. sam.

I never said anything about your big game animals sam,i dont know enough about them to comment.Unlike some of the others ranting about putting 10 shots in a buffalo from 150yards.what a load.

Midas · 05-11-2008, 03:55 PM

.338 Win mag or .375 H&H at least, I don't understand why anyone would gamble with lesser cartridges, my gosh, is recoil THAT big of a deal? oh sure, you COULD kill anything in the world with a .22 Mag, but why the hell would you want to? if you are afraid of a little recoil, you shouldn't be hunting big animals at all, because big animals, coincidentally, require big guns!

Taurus Fan · 05-11-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by irish murphy

A LOT of misinformed opinion in this thread.Either that or a few shit stirrers/trolls looking for bites.If you want to come over and use a 303 on buff be my guest.And when you are on the news barly alive or dead i will laugh.A few comments on here are just plain stupid and made without any idea of what a buffalo in the australian top end is like.Hell why not go after the top end pigs with a 22magnum???Hey they couldnt be as tough as anything you have seen in the states.Bloody keyboard hunters.That isnt everyone in this thread,there was also some really smart comments.

Originally Posted by irish murphy

I dont think it would matter if it was an asiatic water buff or a cape buff.They are all big cranky buggers.
Do you think a moose or a American bison,or elk cant get that way?We have had numerous events where moose and elk charged a semi truck for blowing their airhorn.By the way,usually a semi is usually big enough,but it may be injured severly. sam.

I never said anything about your big game animals sam,i dont know enough about them to comment.Unlike some of the others ranting about putting 10 shots in a buffalo from 150yards.what a load.

Oh come on Irish, I've seen water buffalos up close in Viet Nam and Thailand, I've even stood right next to them, all a person needs as back up if their .303 doesn't work is a 7 year old boy with a stick to shoo them off until you reload, they're just glorified Jersey Maid cows for God's sake.

samuel · 05-11-2008, 04:55 PM

Irish Murphy:I wasn't belittling your WB,s.I was just saying that we have some hooved animals that can develope an attitude when they think they are being abused.I would love to hunt your WB,s and if I ever did I would give them the same honor and respect I have these in NA.As quick and clean of a kill as possible.To me that means using an adequate firearm.I see Taurus Fan is being humorus again.He is really brave on the net.I hope if he meets a WB he will still be that way.I would hate to hear that someone had to help change his pants for him. sam.

Taurus Fan · 05-11-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

Irish Murphy:I wasn't belittling your WB,s.I was just saying that we have some hooved animals that can develope an attitude when they think they are being abused.I would love to hunt your WB,s and if I ever did I would give them the same honor and respect I have these in NA.As quick and clean of a kill as possible.To me that means using an adequate firearm.I see Taurus Fan is being humorus again.He is really brave on the net.I hope if he meets a WB he will still be that way.I would hate to hear that someone had to help change his pants for him. sam.

Just having some fun Sam, don't be such a stick in the mud.

lefty o · 05-11-2008, 05:13 PM

ive seen dairy cows destroy a 3/4ton truck in a hurry. i dont think i want to piss off a wild buffalo without a reasonably large rifle.

samuel · 05-11-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Taurus Fan

Just having some fun Sam, don't be such a stick in the mud.

Stick in the mud!Now we are really hunting buffalo!I really wasnt doubting your courage,I've had a couple close calls and had to check my own pants.One large moose went between me and a friend that was about 3ft from me originally.I dont think it was charging,just getting out of there,but at the time it was hard to tell.We never did get him.I guess somebody has to stay calm and aim and shoot.There isn't even a blood trail if noone shoots. sam.

Taurus Fan · 05-11-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

Stick in the mud!Now we are really hunting buffalo!I really wasnt doubting your courage,I've had a couple close calls and had to check my own pants.One large moose went between me and a friend that was about 3ft from me originally.I dont think it was charging,just getting out of there,but at the time it was hard to tell.We never did get him.I guess somebody has to stay calm and aim and shoot.There isn't even a blood trail if noone shoots. sam.

OK now I'm just confused. You win.

Jimmy243 · 05-11-2008, 08:44 PM

Irish, I've accepted what you and others have said- I'm not going buff hunting with the 303.
I just think that its not fair to say its as ridiculous as hunting whitetail with a 22LR.

LakerDad · 05-11-2008, 10:47 PM

I've watched videos from Mark Sullivan "Africa's Black Death" where he guides, he uses a double rifle in the .700 Nitro Express. The Cape Buffalo is one mean and aggressive animal. The critter can take the punishment from these powerful guns and they will continuely charge. I think the bullet weight is 700 to 950 grains.
The bad guys uses the AK's to do their jobs on the game to get their ivory. 7.62 x 39 is somewhat close to a .30-.30 in performance. Go figure.
I saw a film where Fred Bear shot an Elepahant with his bow and arrow! I wonder what Elmer did in Africa??? just adding my 1.5 cents...

wirehunt · 05-12-2008, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan123

That they are. Only one thing meaner than a Buffalo in this country, and that is a Scrub bull. Well 2 if ya count my ex missus, she would make both of em turn tail and head for the scrub, LOL.

The father in law had a rough block full of scrubbers, they used to try and climb up on the dozer when they got cranky

The rule was no one was allowed to leave the hut without.........................the 30

Yes I realize there's better thing's to do the job with, but the same can be said about most thing's....

05-11-2008, 11:13 AM	#26
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,266 Trader Rating: (0)	We have Bison Buffalo here and we are restricted to Magnum rifles shooting .30 Cal. 200 Grain bullets Minimum By Law...Even then you feel pretty Inadequate if a Large Bull charges you at 40 miles an hour, so we hunt in parties of 2-4 people... Even hitting a Vital spot does not mean that the animal will die Instantly as I have discovered on large dangerous game. They can take a lot more than us Humans Can !!! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-11-2008, 11:18 AM	#27
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,255 Trader Rating: (0)	Just about . . . . . . . anything is possible but the .303 is underpowered for this purpose. A great deal has been written about hunting this game and I suggest you read to learn of more optimal calibers.

05-11-2008, 11:31 AM	#28
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0)	There are people killed by buffalo every year. It would seem to me that hunting buffalo with a marginally powerful gun would be a good way to become a statistic. If you are hunting something that will try to kill you there is no such thing as too much gun as long as you can fire it accurately. I have never hunted these buffalo but if I were going to I would greatfully get all the advice I could from experienced hunters like Irish and Nathan 123 so that I could reasonably expect to come back from this hunt alive. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it Last edited by Windwalker; 05-11-2008 at 11:33 AM.

05-11-2008, 12:03 PM	#29
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 10,865 Trader Rating: (0)	heck a regular ol milk cow COULD kill you but i have never hunted something that WANTS to and WILL if you dont stop it! after i shot the animal i would prolly die from an adrenalin OD! __________________ i'll keep an eye out for ya! Last edited by billy; 05-11-2008 at 12:05 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-11-2008, 03:48 PM	#30
irish murphy Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canberra,Australia Posts: 1,028 Trader Rating: (0)	A LOT of misinformed opinion in this thread.Either that or a few shit stirrers/trolls looking for bites.If you want to come over and use a 303 on buff be my guest.And when you are on the news barly alive or dead i will laugh.A few comments on here are just plain stupid and made without any idea of what a buffalo in the australian top end is like.Hell why not go after the top end pigs with a 22magnum???Hey they couldnt be as tough as anything you have seen in the states.Bloody keyboard hunters.That isnt everyone in this thread,there was also some really smart comments. Originally Posted by irish murphy I dont think it would matter if it was an asiatic water buff or a cape buff.They are all big cranky buggers. Do you think a moose or a American bison,or elk cant get that way?We have had numerous events where moose and elk charged a semi truck for blowing their airhorn.By the way,usually a semi is usually big enough,but it may be injured severly. sam. I never said anything about your big game animals sam,i dont know enough about them to comment.Unlike some of the others ranting about putting 10 shots in a buffalo from 150yards.what a load. Last edited by irish murphy; 05-11-2008 at 03:52 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-11-2008, 09:28 AM	#24
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,277 Trader Rating: (0)	Depends on how ya hunt'm. If ya see a Buff 150 yards away on open ground you can easily put 10 rounds in one. Now if yer creeping through the brush and come nose to nose maybe not.

05-11-2008, 10:42 AM	#25
webs Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 243 Trader Rating: (0)	Jimmy243,there are 3 words that may possibly help,Quickly,Cleanly,and Humanely.Others have suggested a bigger rifle for hunting Water Buffalo and I would tend to agree.No doubt a .22 rimfire would take down a Whitetail and a .303 a Water Buffalo, but are they the best choices?Will multiple shots be needed? Will you be able to get off multiple shots?Also add to the fact that if wounded this animal may try and run you over.I believe you stated your only choice was a .303 and IMO there are better choices in rifles.I could care less what you use but you ask for opinion and this is mine.

05-11-2008, 03:55 PM	#31
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,703 Trader Rating: (0)	.338 Win mag or .375 H&H at least, I don't understand why anyone would gamble with lesser cartridges, my gosh, is recoil THAT big of a deal? oh sure, you COULD kill anything in the world with a .22 Mag, but why the hell would you want to? if you are afraid of a little recoil, you shouldn't be hunting big animals at all, because big animals, coincidentally, require big guns! __________________ "Recoil lasts for a second, gravity lasts forever"

05-11-2008, 04:55 PM	#33
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,050 Trader Rating: (0)	Irish Murphy:I wasn't belittling your WB,s.I was just saying that we have some hooved animals that can develope an attitude when they think they are being abused.I would love to hunt your WB,s and if I ever did I would give them the same honor and respect I have these in NA.As quick and clean of a kill as possible.To me that means using an adequate firearm.I see Taurus Fan is being humorus again.He is really brave on the net.I hope if he meets a WB he will still be that way.I would hate to hear that someone had to help change his pants for him. sam.

05-11-2008, 05:13 PM	#35
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,692 Trader Rating: (0)	ive seen dairy cows destroy a 3/4ton truck in a hurry. i dont think i want to piss off a wild buffalo without a reasonably large rifle.

05-11-2008, 08:44 PM	#38
Jimmy243 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0)	Irish, I've accepted what you and others have said- I'm not going buff hunting with the 303. I just think that its not fair to say its as ridiculous as hunting whitetail with a 22LR.

05-11-2008, 10:47 PM	#39
LakerDad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 189 Trader Rating: (0)	I've watched videos from Mark Sullivan "Africa's Black Death" where he guides, he uses a double rifle in the .700 Nitro Express. The Cape Buffalo is one mean and aggressive animal. The critter can take the punishment from these powerful guns and they will continuely charge. I think the bullet weight is 700 to 950 grains. The bad guys uses the AK's to do their jobs on the game to get their ivory. 7.62 x 39 is somewhat close to a .30-.30 in performance. Go figure. I saw a film where Fred Bear shot an Elepahant with his bow and arrow! I wonder what Elmer did in Africa??? just adding my 1.5 cents...