Bye, Bye Baseball Hall of Fame?

Marine1 · 05-14-2008, 06:04 AM

Bonds charged with 14 counts of lying, obstruction: (Should read (15) felony counts, to concur with the below article first paragraph as stated).

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Barry Bonds was charged in a new indictment Tuesday with 15 felony counts alleging he lied to a grand jury when he denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs use and that he hampered the federal government's doping investigation.

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CalifgirlinOk · 05-14-2008, 06:44 AM

What is real sad to me is that young people look up to them as role models...

Not a very good example I would say.

Seabeescotty · 05-14-2008, 08:59 AM

How long has it been going on, and how many have done it? I no longer have any use for pro athletes, and would rather have my grandkids look up to military people, as their idols. This pro athletics crap is all out of proportion, to any good they might do the country.

AKHunter · 05-14-2008, 11:00 AM

I hate cheaters, always have. Examples like this just encourage more to cheat. Far too many get away with it and with the massive amounts of money pro athletes make these days, it will continue. The risk and reward is worth it.

Bonds made multi millions, the SF Giants made even more off of him. If he does time in the pen ( I doubt he will) I don't think it will matter to anyone. So he doesn't go into the Hall of Fame, I can only hope that is what really hurts his EGO. That seems to be the only way to get to these guys, but after a little while he will remember all that money and a smile will return to his face as he lounges on his private island or whatever little haven he has created for himself.

I find cases and people like this absolutely disgusting.

SwedeSteve · 05-14-2008, 11:27 AM

I agree with seabee. I wish Bonds could meet a real hero, and know his shame!

Lng Rng · 05-14-2008, 12:34 PM

I have given up on most of these "Hall of Fames." Their decisions are not based on who was the best, but on greed and ways to seek attention. I still don't like Bonds though.

.22guy · 05-14-2008, 04:41 PM

So the guy was juicing. So were many others of the era, so it all balances out in my mind. Not that it makes it the right thing to do, just because "everyone's doing it".

It's in the past, now they just need to test in a way that will actually work and catch the offenders.

Marine1 · 05-14-2008, 04:47 PM

And...Pete Rose was "permanently banned", from the Hall, because he bet on his and other baseball games. Where is the justice here, if Bonds skates? "Illegal Performance Enhancement Drugs vs Betting on Games". Illegal is Illegal. Banned is Banned. (15) felony counts (if even convicted on one felony count)...is a criminal, banning offense. We will see.

nathangdad · 05-14-2008, 05:13 PM

as there is just too much competition, too much pressure to be great, too much money, too many high profile agents, too much money for
endorsements, and on and on in pro sports.

Bonds might have been truly great on his on but we will never know.
If not truly great, he could have been a solid role model for a generation of young people.

He will live on in scandals such as the Black Sox world series sell out.

Sad, sad, sad

Marine1 · 05-14-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nathangdad

as there is just too much competition, too much pressure to be great, too much money, too many high profile agents, too much money for
endorsements, and on and on in pro sports.

Bonds might have been truly great on his on but we will never know.
If not truly great, he could have been a solid role model for a genration of young people.

He will live on in scandals such as the Black Sox world series sell out.

Sad, sad, sad

I absoultely agree...he will be no Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanilla, Hank Aaron, Willie McCovey, nor Ernie Banks, as a role model for the younger generations and those who follow afterwards..

Sins-of-Mosin · 05-14-2008, 09:15 PM

No way B*nds will make the Hall. Specially if he gets convicted.

sell33 · 05-14-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Marine1

And...Pete Rose was "permanently banned", from the Hall, because he bet on his and other baseball games. Where is the justice here, if Bonds skates? "Illegal Performance Enhancement Drugs vs Betting on Games". Illegal is Illegal. Banned is Banned. (15) felony counts (if even convicted on one felony count)...is a criminal, banning offense. We will see.

Thats what gets me....Pete Rose deserves the hall as much as anyone out there and he can never get it becuase he bet on a few games, that is just ridiculous. I don't think Bonds should make it and his records should be scratched out of the books.

bigbuddy21 · 05-14-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sell33

Thats what gets me....Pete Rose deserves the hall as much as anyone out there and he can never get it becuase he bet on a few games, that is just ridiculous. I don't think Bonds should make it and his records should be scratched out of the books.

+1 TOTALLY AGREE all of his records should be torn up and thrown away.

tippmann7 · 05-15-2008, 03:27 PM

i said i was going to believe bonds until it was proven he used steriods...well now we know he did and now i can celebrate that the next home run king will be ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!...GO YANKEES

jimkim · 05-15-2008, 03:33 PM

Say it ain't so Joe. I quit caring about baseball during the last strike. Spoiled prima donnas don't impress me. I'd much rather watch little league or college baseball.

sell33 · 05-15-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tippmann7

i said i was going to believe bonds until it was proven he used steriods...well now we know he did and now i can celebrate that the next home run king will be ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!...GO YANKEES

Hmm can't say i am a yankees fan (AT ALL) but i do kinda like Arod and i don't think he used steroids at all so i can't wait to see him shatter Bonds' records.

Brother Bob · 05-15-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sell33

Hmm can't say i am a yankees fan (AT ALL) but i do kinda like Arod and i don't think he used steroids at all so i can't wait to see him shatter Bonds' records.

I was a big Mark McGuire fan. I was raised on the St. Louis Cardinals. My dad is from Alton, Illinois which was across the river from St. Louis. I still remember the players from 1967 & 1968. Still love my Cardinals!

Bravo · 05-15-2008, 07:34 PM

After seeing him last summer (The day before he tied Aaron's record), I'm very happy to see him charged. I was sitting right behind his dugout, and he was a total jerk to the fans. Now, given we were in San Diego, he still was a jerk. Also, he was huge, I mean massive. Anyone that says he wasn't on roids, or is good for baseball doesn't really care about the sport.

tippmann7 · 05-15-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sell33

Hmm can't say i am a yankees fan (AT ALL) but i do kinda like Arod and i don't think he used steroids at all so i can't wait to see him shatter Bonds' records.

im hopeing i can go to new york and see a game in yankee stadium because its the last year so hopefully arod will be off the DL....i want to see him homer, saw him once in cleveland no homers but the yankees won

tlarkin · 05-15-2008, 09:35 PM

I am a die hard baseball fan, but I think the sport needs an overhaul. I am tired of seeing the Yankees win the pennant every single freaking year and how their starting outfield payroll is like more than half the MLB's teams whole roster.

They need to shift to a business model more like the NFL.

A rod? Yeah LOL, that chump is really earning his hefty contract so far this season! Screw the Yankees!

Where is the competition in baseball if the same freaking teams make the playoffs every single year? They need to enforce salary caps and have profit sharing just like the NFL. You hardly see a legacy in the NFL like you do in baseball, which IMO, keeps it way more exciting.

05-14-2008, 06:04 AM	#1
Marine1 Runnin' With The Big Dogs Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 862 Images: 4	Bye, Bye Baseball Hall of Fame? Bonds charged with 14 counts of lying, obstruction: (Should read (15) felony counts, to concur with the below article first paragraph as stated). SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Barry Bonds was charged in a new indictment Tuesday with 15 felony counts alleging he lied to a grand jury when he denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs use and that he hampered the federal government's doping investigation. FOX Sports on MSN - MLB - Last edited by Marine1; 05-14-2008 at 07:16 AM. Reason: Felony Count Correction For News Reporting Error in the Article Heading..

05-14-2008, 06:44 AM	#2
CalifgirlinOk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,733	What is real sad to me is that young people look up to them as role models...Not a very good example I would say. __________________ "Most of the troubles in the world is caused by people wanting to be important". T.S.Eliot

05-14-2008, 08:59 AM	#3
Seabeescotty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jay, Oklahoma, God's country. Posts: 3,990 Images: 18 Blog Entries: 1	How long has it been going on, and how many have done it? I no longer have any use for pro athletes, and would rather have my grandkids look up to military people, as their idols. This pro athletics crap is all out of proportion, to any good they might do the country. __________________ Adapt, improvise, overcome.-Gysgt Highway, Heartbreak Ridge

05-14-2008, 11:27 AM	#5
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,269 Images: 1	I agree with seabee. I wish Bonds could meet a real hero, and know his shame! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

05-14-2008, 04:41 PM	#7
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,140	So the guy was juicing. So were many others of the era, so it all balances out in my mind. Not that it makes it the right thing to do, just because "everyone's doing it". It's in the past, now they just need to test in a way that will actually work and catch the offenders. __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

05-14-2008, 11:00 AM	#4
AKHunter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 899	I hate cheaters, always have. Examples like this just encourage more to cheat. Far too many get away with it and with the massive amounts of money pro athletes make these days, it will continue. The risk and reward is worth it. Bonds made multi millions, the SF Giants made even more off of him. If he does time in the pen ( I doubt he will) I don't think it will matter to anyone. So he doesn't go into the Hall of Fame, I can only hope that is what really hurts his EGO. That seems to be the only way to get to these guys, but after a little while he will remember all that money and a smile will return to his face as he lounges on his private island or whatever little haven he has created for himself. I find cases and people like this absolutely disgusting.

05-14-2008, 12:34 PM	#6
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944	I have given up on most of these "Hall of Fames." Their decisions are not based on who was the best, but on greed and ways to seek attention. I still don't like Bonds though.

05-14-2008, 04:47 PM	#8
Marine1 Runnin' With The Big Dogs Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 862 Images: 4	And...Pete Rose was "permanently banned", from the Hall, because he bet on his and other baseball games. Where is the justice here, if Bonds skates? "Illegal Performance Enhancement Drugs vs Betting on Games". Illegal is Illegal. Banned is Banned. (15) felony counts (if even convicted on one felony count)...is a criminal, banning offense. We will see.

05-14-2008, 05:13 PM	#9
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,437	Sad, sad , sad, . . . . as there is just too much competition, too much pressure to be great, too much money, too many high profile agents, too much money for endorsements, and on and on in pro sports. Bonds might have been truly great on his on but we will never know. If not truly great, he could have been a solid role model for a generation of young people. He will live on in scandals such as the Black Sox world series sell out. Sad, sad, sad Last edited by nathangdad; 05-14-2008 at 09:38 PM. Reason: add

05-14-2008, 09:15 PM	#11
Sins-of-Mosin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: IL Posts: 194 Blog Entries: 3	No way B*nds will make the Hall. Specially if he gets convicted. __________________ Leave me alone I am not an angel yet. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g3...13/themets.png

05-15-2008, 03:27 PM	#14
tippmann7 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Attica, Ohio Posts: 838	i said i was going to believe bonds until it was proven he used steriods...well now we know he did and now i can celebrate that the next home run king will be ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!...GO YANKEES __________________ you cannot kill what you did not create

05-15-2008, 03:33 PM	#15
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,040 Blog Entries: 11	Say it ain't so Joe. I quit caring about baseball during the last strike. Spoiled prima donnas don't impress me. I'd much rather watch little league or college baseball. __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim

05-15-2008, 07:34 PM	#18
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,879	After seeing him last summer (The day before he tied Aaron's record), I'm very happy to see him charged. I was sitting right behind his dugout, and he was a total jerk to the fans. Now, given we were in San Diego, he still was a jerk. Also, he was huge, I mean massive. Anyone that says he wasn't on roids, or is good for baseball doesn't really care about the sport.

05-15-2008, 09:35 PM	#20
tlarkin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 1,551	I am a die hard baseball fan, but I think the sport needs an overhaul. I am tired of seeing the Yankees win the pennant every single freaking year and how their starting outfield payroll is like more than half the MLB's teams whole roster. They need to shift to a business model more like the NFL. A rod? Yeah LOL, that chump is really earning his hefty contract so far this season! Screw the Yankees! Where is the competition in baseball if the same freaking teams make the playoffs every single year? They need to enforce salary caps and have profit sharing just like the NFL. You hardly see a legacy in the NFL like you do in baseball, which IMO, keeps it way more exciting.