Finn Issue (as well as others)

Paper · 05-14-2008, 09:03 PM

I wandered to my local range tonight with a 5 military gun batch of rifles.
I took 4 which I hadn't fired since purchasing (VKT Fin Nagant, H&R M1 Garand, 1942 Husky Swede M38 Mauser, CMMG AR15), and one that I had (SC 1903A3), but wanted to shoot again..

All fired flawlessly, except for the fact that the Finn, 03A3, and AR15 all shot at the top of the paper at 50 yards when aimed at center.

The Garand was easy to bring into the correct point of aim, and the Swede dropped them dead center from the get-go..

I "think" I can raise the AR's front sight to get it where I need it, but the Finn and the 03A3 both shoot high at 100 yards. The 03A3 rear sight bottoms out at 200 yards, so I'm pretty sure I'll just need to get used to it, and the Finn's rear bottoms out at 150 yards..

Short of major work, can anything be done to the Finn to get it to shoot at the correct point of aim? The reason I ask is that my Russians have all fired right where I want them at 100 yards, and I was hoping that the VKT would follow suit..

On the other hand, the Finn has a trigger that I wish all my other Mosins could be half as good..

Geo M44 · 05-14-2008, 09:20 PM

All I can say is adjust your aiming point for the sights. I can shoot a 3" group with most touching at 50 yards. Same at 100 yards, although it doesn't really take much readjusting of the aiming point. At 300 yards (of course) the VKT is dead on, and just impresses the hell out of everybody that shoots her...

toolman · 05-14-2008, 09:23 PM

Contact Layne @ www.tngunparts.com , he sells taller sight inserts that can be filed down to adjust your POI.

Paper · 05-14-2008, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolman

Contact Layne @ Tennessee Gun Parts , he sells taller sight inserts that can be filed down to adjust your POI.

Gotcha.. I guess I better take my "no name" out and shoot it to see if I need 2 of em'..

I'm not against Geo's recommendation by any means, but I like to have them all toss them in the right spot at 100 yards and adjust from there.

Geo M44 · 05-15-2008, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper

Gotcha.. I guess I better take my "no name" out and shoot it to see if I need 2 of em'..

I'm not against Geo's recommendation by any means, but I like to have them all toss them in the right spot at 100 yards and adjust from there.

It's more being lazy and cheap on my part.

I just don't want to add a scope to my M39.

texnmidwest · 05-15-2008, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper

I wandered to my local range tonight with a 5 military gun batch of rifles.
I took 4 which I hadn't fired since purchasing (VKT Fin Nagant, H&R M1 Garand, 1942 Husky Swede M38 Mauser, CMMG AR15), and one that I had (SC 1903A3), but wanted to shoot again..

All fired flawlessly, except for the fact that the Finn, 03A3, and AR15 all shot at the top of the paper at 50 yards when aimed at center.

The Garand was easy to bring into the correct point of aim, and the Swede dropped them dead center from the get-go..

I "think" I can raise the AR's front sight to get it where I need it, but the Finn and the 03A3 both shoot high at 100 yards. The 03A3 rear sight bottoms out at 200 yards, so I'm pretty sure I'll just need to get used to it, and the Finn's rear bottoms out at 150 yards..

Short of major work, can anything be done to the Finn to get it to shoot at the correct point of aim? The reason I ask is that my Russians have all fired right where I want them at 100 yards, and I was hoping that the VKT would follow suit..

On the other hand, the Finn has a trigger that I wish all my other Mosins could be half as good..

Paper,

Check that 03 again. My 03 has a notch below the 200 yard mark that is the 100 yard zero mark. Mine was made in 43. There are no numbers by the mark just the mark itself.

marion57 · 05-15-2008, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper

I wandered to my local range tonight with a 5 military gun batch of rifles.
I took 4 which I hadn't fired since purchasing (VKT Fin Nagant, H&R M1 Garand, 1942 Husky Swede M38 Mauser, CMMG AR15), and one that I had (SC 1903A3), but wanted to shoot again..

All fired flawlessly, except for the fact that the Finn, 03A3, and AR15 all shot at the top of the paper at 50 yards when aimed at center.

The Garand was easy to bring into the correct point of aim, and the Swede dropped them dead center from the get-go..

I "think" I can raise the AR's front sight to get it where I need it, but the Finn and the 03A3 both shoot high at 100 yards. The 03A3 rear sight bottoms out at 200 yards, so I'm pretty sure I'll just need to get used to it, and the Finn's rear bottoms out at 150 yards..

Short of major work, can anything be done to the Finn to get it to shoot at the correct point of aim? The reason I ask is that my Russians have all fired right where I want them at 100 yards, and I was hoping that the VKT would follow suit..

On the other hand, the Finn has a trigger that I wish all my other Mosins could be half as good..

just get a piece of number 12 wire black and take the insulation off of it and slip it over the front post and trim it to poa= poi it will be easy to remove if you ever want to change it

texnmidwest · 05-15-2008, 06:56 AM

Good idea there Marion! You are smarter than you look!

SwedeSteve · 05-15-2008, 07:05 AM

I sure hope he is, ROFL!!!! He's just 'membering an old post. When I read it, I tried it just for the heck of it. It works well, just as shrink tube does. See, I just love this place, so many pairs of eyes (and Moose with his one) admiring the same rifle, someone's always has an idea!

texnmidwest · 05-15-2008, 07:19 AM

And Sometimes they actually work!

Paper · 05-15-2008, 07:40 AM

I guess my problem is that I have a front blade on my Finn, not a post like the Russian Mosins have.. I can't see how the insulation would work on a blade, as you can't slide it over..

SwedeSteve · 05-15-2008, 09:42 AM

Oooops! Forgot about that, didn't I! Guess you'll have to go with a taller blade.

Mooseman684 · 05-15-2008, 09:56 AM

Finnish Mosins are sighted for 150 to 200 Meters from the Arsenal !!!
Rich

Kismet · 05-15-2008, 01:56 PM

Uh...you know that rubber/latex canned tool handle goop in a can? Comes in all sorts of colors? Dip it and dry stuff?

Could you layer a few coats of that on top of the blade to bring it up? Although, cleaning solvents might break the bond.

Solder might not hold and could be too soft, JB Weld is too permanent, lemme see...got any industrial adhesive?

Gotta be something.

Life is easier when you're only shooting one gun.

Paper · 05-15-2008, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kismet

Life is easier when you're only shooting one gun.

I went to Kismet's house and wasted my time shooting a deer, when my real target was across the table from me, drinking coffee..

SwedeSteve · 05-15-2008, 04:51 PM

Inside joke?

Paper · 05-15-2008, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

Inside joke?

Yes he is..

texnmidwest · 05-15-2008, 05:11 PM

Ya, can dress 'em up, but they just won't learn...

Capt'n Mil Coll · 05-15-2008, 05:55 PM

Oh My GOSH!!! Paper shot Kismet and dressed him out????

marion57 · 05-15-2008, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Good idea there Marion! You are smarter than you look!

Tex
i forgot more than you know hehe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper

I guess my problem is that I have a front blade on my Finn, not a post like the Russian Mosins have.. I can't see how the insulation would work on a blade, as you can't slide it over..

Duh Bad paper!!!

you can use JB weld ,or any good plastic weld ( my recomendation) simply turn rifle upside down and dip front site into it and let it drip and dry it can then be filed and touched up with black paint or black fingernail polish.. as it ys it should drip a bit to give you more
lenth on front site

05-14-2008, 09:03 PM	#1
Paper One Buwwit Weft Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: IL/WI Border Posts: 986	Finn Issue (as well as others) I wandered to my local range tonight with a 5 military gun batch of rifles. I took 4 which I hadn't fired since purchasing (VKT Fin Nagant, H&R M1 Garand, 1942 Husky Swede M38 Mauser, CMMG AR15), and one that I had (SC 1903A3), but wanted to shoot again.. All fired flawlessly, except for the fact that the Finn, 03A3, and AR15 all shot at the top of the paper at 50 yards when aimed at center. The Garand was easy to bring into the correct point of aim, and the Swede dropped them dead center from the get-go.. I "think" I can raise the AR's front sight to get it where I need it, but the Finn and the 03A3 both shoot high at 100 yards. The 03A3 rear sight bottoms out at 200 yards, so I'm pretty sure I'll just need to get used to it, and the Finn's rear bottoms out at 150 yards.. Short of major work, can anything be done to the Finn to get it to shoot at the correct point of aim? The reason I ask is that my Russians have all fired right where I want them at 100 yards, and I was hoping that the VKT would follow suit.. On the other hand, the Finn has a trigger that I wish all my other Mosins could be half as good.. __________________

05-14-2008, 09:20 PM	#2
Geo M44 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,172	All I can say is adjust your aiming point for the sights. I can shoot a 3" group with most touching at 50 yards. Same at 100 yards, although it doesn't really take much readjusting of the aiming point. At 300 yards (of course) the VKT is dead on, and just impresses the hell out of everybody that shoots her... __________________ Remember when seconds count... the police are only minutes away.

05-14-2008, 09:23 PM	#3
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,566 Blog Entries: 22	Contact Layne @ www.tngunparts.com , he sells taller sight inserts that can be filed down to adjust your POI. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

05-15-2008, 06:56 AM	#8
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,395	Good idea there Marion! You are smarter than you look! __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

05-15-2008, 07:05 AM	#9
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,270 Images: 1	I sure hope he is, ROFL!!!! He's just 'membering an old post. When I read it, I tried it just for the heck of it. It works well, just as shrink tube does. See, I just love this place, so many pairs of eyes (and Moose with his one) admiring the same rifle, someone's always has an idea! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

05-15-2008, 07:19 AM	#10
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,395	And Sometimes they actually work! __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

05-15-2008, 07:40 AM	#11
Paper One Buwwit Weft Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: IL/WI Border Posts: 986	I guess my problem is that I have a front blade on my Finn, not a post like the Russian Mosins have.. I can't see how the insulation would work on a blade, as you can't slide it over.. __________________

05-15-2008, 09:42 AM	#12
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,270 Images: 1	Oooops! Forgot about that, didn't I! Guess you'll have to go with a taller blade. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

05-15-2008, 09:56 AM	#13
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,637 Images: 2	Finnish Mosins are sighted for 150 to 200 Meters from the Arsenal !!! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-15-2008, 01:56 PM	#14
Kismet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: rural WI Posts: 158	Uh...you know that rubber/latex canned tool handle goop in a can? Comes in all sorts of colors? Dip it and dry stuff? Could you layer a few coats of that on top of the blade to bring it up? Although, cleaning solvents might break the bond. Solder might not hold and could be too soft, JB Weld is too permanent, lemme see...got any industrial adhesive? Gotta be something. Life is easier when you're only shooting one gun. __________________ Kis Safety? SAFETY??? Is gun for to shoot, not to be on SAFETY!!!

05-15-2008, 04:51 PM	#16
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,270 Images: 1	Inside joke? __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

05-15-2008, 05:11 PM	#18
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,395	Ya, can dress 'em up, but they just won't learn... __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

05-15-2008, 05:55 PM	#19
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,256 Images: 10	Oh My GOSH!!! Paper shot Kismet and dressed him out???? __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!