Savage vs Ruger

[tippmann7]

i would go with the savage if its in .270, with the accutrigger that would be a great gun(im getting one eventualy)... ruger makes some of the best guns avalible but for that caliber id go with the savage

[Rattle'em up]

Originally Posted by Zen900

I prefer Savage because of price. Ruger centerfire deer rifles are very expensice or else I'd own one. I own Ruger rimfires and revolvers. Those are affordable but why are Ruger centerfire rifles so much more expensive?

That is the first time I heard someone say that Rugers are expensive. I actually think if Rugers cost a $1000 more people would buy them.

I can get the Hawkeye for $580 in blue or stainless.

[turner]

Originally Posted by Rattle'em up

That is the first time I heard someone say that Rugers are expensive. I actually think if Rugers cost a $1000 more people would buy them.

I can get the Hawkeye for $580 in blue or stainless.

I agree with your statement that Rugers are not overly expensive. The MSRP on their site looks high (look at a Remington CDL on their site!) but, they can be purchased for far less than that. The fact that a Ruger comes with it's own complete scope mounting system is a definate plus to me as well (and saves $50.-$100., in my opinion). Clean looking and as rigid a system as any other. I also understand that there will always be differing opinions on the quality and style of rifles, classic bolt guns especially. There will always be fans of Remingtons, Sakos, Savage, Browning, Winchester, Kimber, etc., no matter what someone else might say. I will say this, cost of no concern, I'd likely buy Cooper, Sako, or the new Model 70 due out very soon. But, when it's my money and it's not a lot, I must admit a definate affinity to the Ruger line of rifles, both bolt and single shot. What a boring shooting world it would be though, if everyone unpacked a Ruger Hawkeye in 30/06 topped by a 3-9x40 Leupold to head out for some hunting! That combination would be tough to argue with in many scenarios, but it is great there are definately different tastes.

[ArkansasHunter]

Rattle you asked in another post which stock I bought.

I bought the black synthectic/ matted stainless steel model.

I am a true die hard Leveraction fan but when I saw this rifle I had to have it.
The stainless steel is not shinny and thats what I wanted.

All I'm asking is for you to look over the new Ruger Hawkeye and compare it to all boltaction you can find when you shop.
Wether they be cheaper or cost more...Right now Ruger has the best boltaction rifle on the market.
It's got everything hunters and shooter want incorporated in it.
Rugers list price is/was $750.00 but I've seen them for $579.00 if you can get one in that price range you've done very well. But you still can do better than that !
My gun cost me $ 543 something and then add 9.5% sales tax $601.00 even.

In June the new Winchester model 70's come out, you may want to wait on them but they'll cost more.
List is $1000 to 1500 on them, I have there 2008 catolog.
Good Luck ...A.H

[vikingpreacher]

Originally Posted by Rattle'em up

Help me decide on either a Savage 114 American Classic or the Ruger Hawkeye in a 270.

Savage. Good, accurate, rifles and it sure is pretty.

[chewy4480]

I'm a Ruger fan.

[samuel]

I would go with the 7mm WSM,but if you want the long action I would choose any .284cal over a .270 because of better bullet selection. sam.

[ACfixer]

Originally Posted by Midas

The name is what you are paying for most of the time.

Perhaps, but why is that? You don't pay extra for a name unless the maker has earned that reputation for being worth more money right? I'm not making an argument for either gun but I know nobody would pay extra for an ACfixer brand rifle unless I earned it by putting out a good product.

Gibson guitars are overpriced and you "pay for the name", but man they make a fine guitar. Ruger makes a nice gun and many people are willing to pay a tad more to get a good rep attached to the product whatever it is.

Me, I think Savages are nice but not the prettiest gun on the market (sorry Vikingpreacher!). All other things being equal that has to count for something.

[ArkansasHunter]

Though I've promoted the Ruger Hawkeye a Savage will be an excellent rifle to buy and will save you some money to where you can spend more for a decent scope.
Savage, Ruger, Remington, Winchester, Browning have all made there guns better in Proformance.
Triggers, Barrels, Stocks and Bedding is better today and recently with some of these maufactures.
Savages line of rifles is probably why the other manufactures are improveing there rifles today. Really !

[turner]

Originally Posted by ACfixer

Perhaps, but why is that? You don't pay extra for a name unless the maker has earned that reputation for being worth more money right? I'm not making an argument for either gun but I know nobody would pay extra for an ACfixer brand rifle unless I earned it by putting out a good product.

Gibson guitars are overpriced and you "pay for the name", but man they make a fine guitar. Ruger makes a nice gun and many people are willing to pay a tad more to get a good rep attached to the product whatever it is.

Me, I think Savages are nice but not the prettiest gun on the market (sorry Vikingpreacher!). All other things being equal that has to count for something.

+1....For some anyway, it certainly does.

[GMCGUY]

Im a huge savage guy, but if your not buying a target savage or a used model 99 Id buy the ruger in a heartbeat. Rugers hunting bolt actions just feel and look nicer to me than the savages do. When I say hunting I mean sporter barrel lighter guns.

[andrew cochran]

+1 ^

[SoDakHunter]

I'm really suprised that no one has mentioned the Tikka T3(and i know he only mentioned savage and ruger) but these things look great, have a super smooth action, Sub MOA out of the box, adjustable trigger from 4 to 2 lbs, barrels are taken from the same inventory of the Sakos and can be had for under $600. Mine was $549 with tax. I would seriously recommend that you look into these beautiful rifles.

[Ron AKA]

Since this thread was active Outdoor Life rated 10 new rifles in their June July edition. One was the Ruger M77 Hawkeye. It rated 7th out of the 10, and had the second worst accuracy, with a best 100 yard group size of 2.25". Only the lever action Mossberg 464 was worse, at 2.3". Even the low end Savage M93 .17HMR rimfire beat it with a group size of 0.942". Of the more reasonable priced centerfire guns, the Browning X-Bolt did very well. It was ranked 3rd overall with a best group size of 0.828". It earned the Great Buy award.

Ron

[samuel]

I don't take too much gun editors say seriously.Seldom have I seen what they write work out.I often think they do their testing in their office. sam.

[Ron AKA]

Originally Posted by samuel

I don't take too much gun editors say seriously.Seldom have I seen what they write work out.I often think they do their testing in their office. sam.

This test has all appearances of being legit. They have pictures of the 5 different shooters who tested the guns. The group included shooters not associated with the magazine, including a benchrest type. It appears it was done during the winter as there is snow on the ground. The testing was spread over 3 days and was done outdoors and in a 100 yard underground shooting tunnel. It is claimed they shot over 200 five shot groups, which would work out to 20 groups per gun. I think the article is worth a read if one is in the market for a gun.

Ron

[ArkansasHunter]

I beleive the story was fair. I subscribe OutDoor Life and I was disappointed in the Ruger Hawkeye's proformance.
I wonder how it would of went if they had my 308. Which shoots overlapping bullet holes ?
I beleive it would of been a top pick by the writers.

Mine is for sale for $5000.00...A.H

[forestgleaner]

It seems like both are good choices. I love the old rugers, they always shoot well, and fit nice. If I was looking realistically at getting a new rifle, I think I would go with the ruger. If I had a few extra dollars to spend, I would go for one of those new ICONs buy thompson. It their fancy grade the wood is beautiful, and they are still new enough that maybe one day, they may go up in value. My regular hunting rifle is a ruger m-77 in 270 win. it is a one hole shooter, when I do my part of the job.

[AKHunter]

This test has all appearances of being legit. They have pictures of the 5 different shooters who tested the guns. The group included shooters not associated with the magazine, including a benchrest type. It appears it was done during the winter as there is snow on the ground. The testing was spread over 3 days and was done outdoors and in a 100 yard underground shooting tunnel. It is claimed they shot over 200 five shot groups, which would work out to 20 groups per gun. I think the article is worth a read if one is in the market for a gun.

Ron

Did each of the 5 shooters, shoot each gun using the same ammo as the shooter before them ? Was each gun of the same caliber and barrel taper. Was this all done on the same day in the same weather conditions ? There is alot of room for "error" if all things weren't equal. I noticed a .17hmr is mentioned, was it compared to a .30-06 or a .270 ? Granted any one rifle can come out of the box shooting less than desirable, but I would rather see 1 or 2 shooters shooting the same caliber, ammo, conditions side by side . And I have never purchased a firearm based on what an article says about accuracy for any gun.

I have heard for years and years how "inherently accurate" Remingtons are supposed to be "out of the box", the most inaccurate rifle I have ever owned was a Remington. Regardless of the accurizing done to it, it would not shoot under 2" with handloads or factory ammo. Just an example for thought.

I choose a bolt gun ,in particular, based on its action, then its fit and feel. I take it home, glass bed and free float it. Load some ammo and hit the range.It has worked very well for me.

[turner]

Originally Posted by Ron AKA

Since this thread was active Outdoor Life rated 10 new rifles in their June July edition. One was the Ruger M77 Hawkeye. It rated 7th out of the 10, and had the second worst accuracy, with a best 100 yard group size of 2.25". Only the lever action Mossberg 464 was worse, at 2.3". Even the low end Savage M93 .17HMR rimfire beat it with a group size of 0.942". Of the more reasonable priced centerfire guns, the Browning X-Bolt did very well. It was ranked 3rd overall with a best group size of 0.828". It earned the Great Buy award.

Ron

Ron, Good info, even to a Ruger fan, such as myself. Just one question though.... do they charge any extra for all that added UGLY on the Browning X-Bolt?