Hunting Illegals - Page 2

12-31-2002, 04:27 PM

The illegal's ancestors were here for thousands of years before the Europeans even knew there was a continent here...It may be a crime to cross our borders but I sure don't think it is a capital crime...besides this website should be treated like a public place

PAPA G · 12-31-2002, 04:37 PM

i don't care who was here first or what ever menial job they do. if they cannot come through the front door. they deserve what they get, if a p.o.ed rancher finds them!!

Sniper[MI] · 12-31-2002, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by alan c.
........Sniper I'm starting to like Julie Andrews........

Howdy Alan,

To tell a little secret, I have always had this fantasy of Dinging Mary Poppins Bell!!!

PAPA G · 12-31-2002, 05:14 PM

check out the movie Victor/ Victoria. fast forward to the part where old Julie rips open her blouse!!!!

PAPA G · 12-31-2002, 05:21 PM

Logansdad, after your mention about Pappy-in-law, and his antigun believes and cutting and pasting. got me wondering the purpose behind all those "what do you have" questions???

I'M NOT PARANOID; JUST AN ACTIVE IMAGINATION!!!

:nod:

Dale · 12-31-2002, 09:03 PM

Logansdad, I don't care WHO was here first, now, or last.

Breaking the law is breaking the friggin' law....period.

To me if someone breaks the law and involves me they sure as
h e l l don't care if I live or die. And, to me I prefer living...AMEN!

Suppose, just suppose, you decide to cross into the Canadian territories without proper okie dokie and they do whatever they do. Are you saying that because they invoked their rights then they are at fault?

Dang!

And, I'll tell you this....if my father in law ever displayed a pro criminal mentality I'd have a long talk with him and watch my back afterwards.

oneastrix · 12-31-2002, 11:25 PM

Dale, I'm with ya.........from a former Deputy Sheriff from the Tex/Mex border....it's a sticky situation down here. If you don't live here, you'd be wise not to touch it. They aren't about finding a better way of life or a better job. Those are about the 1%.

MY wife will tell a story about the time we lived on a ranch on the border. I was a deputy and she was home alone at night as I worked. Her door was kicked in and the intruder (who was not a citizen of the States) was met with an 80 lb Boxer and a Browining Hi-Power...........What would ya do?

Oxford · 01-01-2003, 12:01 AM

uesday, Dec. 31, 2002
Breakout Attempt at Sydney Asylum Center

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia's asylum seeker detention
centers were in turmoil Tuesday, with an attempted mass
breakout and riot in a Sydney center, an armed standoff at
another and fires burning in both.

Police said inmates started fires and attacked guards with
iron bars in a breakout attempt by 20 to 30 people at the
Villawood detention center in western Sydney. No injuries were
reported.

Nearby residents said smoke was pouring from the center
from what fire brigade officials said were six fires. A center
official told local media that between 60 and 80 detainees
rioted in another section of Villawood.

Police later told Reuters the detainees had stopped rioting
early Wednesday and that fire brigades were still trying to
control fires in the center.

"The riot has calmed down but the people are still outside
their dormitories," a police spokeswoman said.

A Villawood spokesman said 20 detainees had tried to break
out by commandeering a car and trying to ram the perimeter
gates. A police vehicle blocking the gates stopped the escape
attempt. Police said 30 detainees were involved in the attempt.

On Australia's remote Christmas Island, 2,400 km (1,450
miles) west of Darwin, boatpeople occupied a detention center
compound, setting fire to a dining hall and challenging guards
in an armed stand-off, officials said.

"Detainees armed with pipes and other weapons have occupied
one of the compounds on Christmas Island and set the dining
hall on fire," immigration department spokeswoman Jenny Hoskin
said, adding that she was not aware of any injuries.

SPOTLIGHT ON POLICY

The latest violence, which has swept through most of
Australia's seven detention centers in recent days, has again
shone a spotlight on Australia's hard-line stance of detaining
all illegal arrivals in guarded camps.

Asylum cases can take years to process. The long delays
have triggered a series of protests and escapes, but Prime
Minister John Howard has said his government will not be
deterred from detaining illegal immigrants or from diverting
boats carrying mainly Afghan and Middle Eastern asylum seekers
to Pacific islands.

Both policies have been sharply criticized by international
human rights groups and the United Nations.

"If anybody thinks they can alter our policy by setting
fire to detention centers then they are wrong. That won't alter
our policy one iota," Howard told a Sydney radio station.

The protest on the Indian Ocean island came less than 24
hours after detainees staged similar action at an outback
detention center, where staff fled attacks by asylum seekers
armed with metal bars and stones.

"Officers were pelted with stones and threatened with metal
bars as they tried to extinguish the fires which were driven by
strong winds, spread rapidly and eventually destroyed two
compounds," the immigration department said in a statement.

Blazes at the desert Woomera camp in South Australia
destroyed or damaged 43 buildings before they were brought
under control. No one was seriously injured in the disturbance,
but some staff and detainees were treated for smoke inhalation.

It was the latest in a string of uprisings at Woomera.
Earlier this year, detainees staged a mass hunger strike, sewed
their lips up and threatened suicide.

Refugee advocacy groups acknowledged the latest violence
did nothing to enhance the asylum seekers' cause but stressed
that the long period people spent in detention was
unacceptable.

"People at Woomera...are getting very angry and frustrated
and, while that does not excuse this behavior, it explains it,"
said Marion Le from the Independent Council for Refugee
Advocacy.

Howard's tough stand against illegal immigration has broad
public support in this island continent of 20 million people.

The government insists it works. No boatpeople have reached
Australian shores in a year and the number held in detention
centers has fallen to 1,200 from 2,300 a year ago.

01-01-2003, 12:02 AM

what about all our criminals who head south across their borders...oh yeah and while we're at it in the last century alot of Germans had the same attitude against Jews...we call them Nazis

01-01-2003, 12:24 AM

If you are paranoid about answering my posts feel free to abstain...I like to start posts like that so that someone who has made the decision to protect themselves can get more than one opinion on the subject...1* I don't care who invades my domain a citizen of the United States or a foreign national...they are going to be treated the same..

Rave · 01-01-2003, 01:09 AM

PAPA G,post #4,sounds like a plan,but I think it must be done discretly at first,until the plan catches on.:nod:

Rave · 01-01-2003, 10:51 AM

I don't care who it is that's sneaking in across our borders,if we don't take care of business soon and pull our heads out and stop letting the PC's run the show those folks are going to take care of us and then the PC's wil blame us for letting it happen!
Our kids will hate us for letting our beautiful hard fought for country slip away only to fall under the control of those more determined than us and willing to fight harder than us and we xcould have avoided all this if we had nipped it in the bud!!!!:nod: :nod: :nod:

01-01-2003, 11:10 AM

I believe the Nazis said the same things about the Jews and Gypsies during World War 2

alan c. · 01-01-2003, 11:46 AM

Hey ya'll you know what a Utopian is?

Rave · 01-01-2003, 10:30 PM

The bloody Nazi's probably said a lot of things,personally I don't care what they said,I am saying what I am saying.
You can say what you want to say,as it is still legal on this forum.

:nod: :nod:

01-02-2003, 04:20 PM

Jawohl !

Stopper · 01-02-2003, 04:46 PM

Racist my arss, what a simpleminded cop-out. Standard wussy reply.

Tell me who pays the cost of all the illegals health care? WE DO, the U.S. Citizens pay dearly. Oh ya, they use the hospitals alot and I mean alot something to the tune of 40 million dollars a year. Oh but we're the U.S. we're rich so what the heck - maybe you can fork out my share also logansdad!

The term illegal means what it states - they have crossed illegally and therefore are not entitled to the same rights as U.S. citizens. Thats it, no gray area, no BS.

They come in on jobs and work for less than a citizen would, then they apply for citizenship and when they get it, they sue, saying that they were undercut because they were illegals and now they want the money they originally said no to so they could get the job. So as you see they are taking jobs that WE would want. They are not taking all the low paying jobs, they are making them low pay jobs, taking them then sueing to get more money.

They have more rights than I do and I was born here. To hell with them, I say we don't pay crap, stop'em at the border, put them on a bus and dump 'em off south of the border.

Oh ya, all our criminals go south in the movies, in real life they are usually caught before they get there, if they try at all. And the Mexicans are pretty good at tracking down wanted U.S. criminals and giving them back. It should be the other way around.

Just cause I went to school and made out fairly well doesn't mean for one freak'n second that I should give up my hard earned dollars to help somebody who has no regard for our laws or found thier way up here illegally!

Illegal is illegal, or it ain't illegal till you get caught. Once they are caught send them back!!

And what the blaz'n heck do the Nazi's have to do with this. Like I said - it's the standard answer for liberal wussy wanna be's, when in doubt play the race card - well I'm not having any of it. Screw them, if they wanted it that bad stand in line and do it right the first time and we won't have to gather ya'll up and send you back.

01-02-2003, 07:42 PM

Everything you said about Illegals is exactly the same thing the Nazis said about the Jews...anyone who thinks I'm a Liberal Wuss Wannabe is having too much beer for breakfast

oneastrix · 01-02-2003, 09:04 PM

We're forced to educate their "ever springing" offspring in the public schools in San Antonio. They literally chase the soccer season between the two countries. Here in the Fall and there in the Spring and what not.

"Lone Star beer in my cereal is keeping me alive." -Pat Green

oneastrix · 01-02-2003, 09:11 PM

Talk to Tri-West Health Care in Phoenix..........

12-31-2002, 04:37 PM	#22
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0)	SPAN-YARDS HERE FIRST??? i don't care who was here first or what ever menial job they do. if they cannot come through the front door. they deserve what they get, if a p.o.ed rancher finds them!!

12-31-2002, 05:14 PM	#24
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0)	SNIPER!!!! check out the movie Victor/ Victoria. fast forward to the part where old Julie rips open her blouse!!!!

12-31-2002, 05:21 PM	#25
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0)	REFERENCE POSTS 10, 11, 12 Logansdad, after your mention about Pappy-in-law, and his antigun believes and cutting and pasting. got me wondering the purpose behind all those "what do you have" questions??? I'M NOT PARANOID; JUST AN ACTIVE IMAGINATION!!! :nod:

12-31-2002, 09:03 PM	#26
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284 Trader Rating: (0)	Logansdad, I don't care WHO was here first, now, or last. Breaking the law is breaking the friggin' law....period. To me if someone breaks the law and involves me they sure as h e l l don't care if I live or die. And, to me I prefer living...AMEN! Suppose, just suppose, you decide to cross into the Canadian territories without proper okie dokie and they do whatever they do. Are you saying that because they invoked their rights then they are at fault? Dang! And, I'll tell you this....if my father in law ever displayed a pro criminal mentality I'd have a long talk with him and watch my back afterwards. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

12-31-2002, 11:25 PM	#27
oneastrix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213 Trader Rating: (0)	Dale, I'm with ya.........from a former Deputy Sheriff from the Tex/Mex border....it's a sticky situation down here. If you don't live here, you'd be wise not to touch it. They aren't about finding a better way of life or a better job. Those are about the 1%. MY wife will tell a story about the time we lived on a ranch on the border. I was a deputy and she was home alone at night as I worked. Her door was kicked in and the intruder (who was not a citizen of the States) was met with an 80 lb Boxer and a Browining Hi-Power...........What would ya do? __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

12-31-2002, 04:27 PM	#21
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	The illegal's ancestors were here for thousands of years before the Europeans even knew there was a continent here...It may be a crime to cross our borders but I sure don't think it is a capital crime...besides this website should be treated like a public place

01-01-2003, 12:01 AM	#28
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 12,983 Trader Rating: (0)	Why not take a tough stand like the Australians are doing now? uesday, Dec. 31, 2002 Breakout Attempt at Sydney Asylum Center SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia's asylum seeker detention centers were in turmoil Tuesday, with an attempted mass breakout and riot in a Sydney center, an armed standoff at another and fires burning in both. Police said inmates started fires and attacked guards with iron bars in a breakout attempt by 20 to 30 people at the Villawood detention center in western Sydney. No injuries were reported. Nearby residents said smoke was pouring from the center from what fire brigade officials said were six fires. A center official told local media that between 60 and 80 detainees rioted in another section of Villawood. Police later told Reuters the detainees had stopped rioting early Wednesday and that fire brigades were still trying to control fires in the center. "The riot has calmed down but the people are still outside their dormitories," a police spokeswoman said. A Villawood spokesman said 20 detainees had tried to break out by commandeering a car and trying to ram the perimeter gates. A police vehicle blocking the gates stopped the escape attempt. Police said 30 detainees were involved in the attempt. On Australia's remote Christmas Island, 2,400 km (1,450 miles) west of Darwin, boatpeople occupied a detention center compound, setting fire to a dining hall and challenging guards in an armed stand-off, officials said. "Detainees armed with pipes and other weapons have occupied one of the compounds on Christmas Island and set the dining hall on fire," immigration department spokeswoman Jenny Hoskin said, adding that she was not aware of any injuries. SPOTLIGHT ON POLICY The latest violence, which has swept through most of Australia's seven detention centers in recent days, has again shone a spotlight on Australia's hard-line stance of detaining all illegal arrivals in guarded camps. Asylum cases can take years to process. The long delays have triggered a series of protests and escapes, but Prime Minister John Howard has said his government will not be deterred from detaining illegal immigrants or from diverting boats carrying mainly Afghan and Middle Eastern asylum seekers to Pacific islands. Both policies have been sharply criticized by international human rights groups and the United Nations. "If anybody thinks they can alter our policy by setting fire to detention centers then they are wrong. That won't alter our policy one iota," Howard told a Sydney radio station. The protest on the Indian Ocean island came less than 24 hours after detainees staged similar action at an outback detention center, where staff fled attacks by asylum seekers armed with metal bars and stones. "Officers were pelted with stones and threatened with metal bars as they tried to extinguish the fires which were driven by strong winds, spread rapidly and eventually destroyed two compounds," the immigration department said in a statement. Blazes at the desert Woomera camp in South Australia destroyed or damaged 43 buildings before they were brought under control. No one was seriously injured in the disturbance, but some staff and detainees were treated for smoke inhalation. It was the latest in a string of uprisings at Woomera. Earlier this year, detainees staged a mass hunger strike, sewed their lips up and threatened suicide. Refugee advocacy groups acknowledged the latest violence did nothing to enhance the asylum seekers' cause but stressed that the long period people spent in detention was unacceptable. "People at Woomera...are getting very angry and frustrated and, while that does not excuse this behavior, it explains it," said Marion Le from the Independent Council for Refugee Advocacy. Howard's tough stand against illegal immigration has broad public support in this island continent of 20 million people. The government insists it works. No boatpeople have reached Australian shores in a year and the number held in detention centers has fallen to 1,200 from 2,300 a year ago. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

01-01-2003, 12:02 AM	#29
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	what about all our criminals who head south across their borders...oh yeah and while we're at it in the last century alot of Germans had the same attitude against Jews...we call them Nazis

01-01-2003, 12:24 AM	#30
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	Papa G... If you are paranoid about answering my posts feel free to abstain...I like to start posts like that so that someone who has made the decision to protect themselves can get more than one opinion on the subject...1* I don't care who invades my domain a citizen of the United States or a foreign national...they are going to be treated the same..

01-01-2003, 01:09 AM	#31
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,744 Trader Rating: (0)	PAPA G,post #4,sounds like a plan,but I think it must be done discretly at first,until the plan catches on.:nod: __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

01-01-2003, 10:51 AM	#32
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,744 Trader Rating: (0)	I don't care who it is that's sneaking in across our borders,if we don't take care of business soon and pull our heads out and stop letting the PC's run the show those folks are going to take care of us and then the PC's wil blame us for letting it happen! Our kids will hate us for letting our beautiful hard fought for country slip away only to fall under the control of those more determined than us and willing to fight harder than us and we xcould have avoided all this if we had nipped it in the bud!!!!:nod: :nod: :nod: __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

01-01-2003, 11:10 AM	#33
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I believe the Nazis said the same things about the Jews and Gypsies during World War 2

01-01-2003, 11:46 AM	#34
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,757 Trader Rating: (0)	Hey ya'll you know what a Utopian is? __________________ God Bless. From Tejas -- formerly known as Texas.

01-01-2003, 10:30 PM	#35
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,744 Trader Rating: (0)	The bloody Nazi's probably said a lot of things,personally I don't care what they said,I am saying what I am saying. You can say what you want to say,as it is still legal on this forum. :nod: :nod: __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

01-02-2003, 04:46 PM	#37
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,210 Trader Rating: (0)	Racist my arss, what a simpleminded cop-out. Standard wussy reply. Tell me who pays the cost of all the illegals health care? WE DO, the U.S. Citizens pay dearly. Oh ya, they use the hospitals alot and I mean alot something to the tune of 40 million dollars a year. Oh but we're the U.S. we're rich so what the heck - maybe you can fork out my share also logansdad! The term illegal means what it states - they have crossed illegally and therefore are not entitled to the same rights as U.S. citizens. Thats it, no gray area, no BS. They come in on jobs and work for less than a citizen would, then they apply for citizenship and when they get it, they sue, saying that they were undercut because they were illegals and now they want the money they originally said no to so they could get the job. So as you see they are taking jobs that WE would want. They are not taking all the low paying jobs, they are making them low pay jobs, taking them then sueing to get more money. They have more rights than I do and I was born here. To hell with them, I say we don't pay crap, stop'em at the border, put them on a bus and dump 'em off south of the border. Oh ya, all our criminals go south in the movies, in real life they are usually caught before they get there, if they try at all. And the Mexicans are pretty good at tracking down wanted U.S. criminals and giving them back. It should be the other way around. Just cause I went to school and made out fairly well doesn't mean for one freak'n second that I should give up my hard earned dollars to help somebody who has no regard for our laws or found thier way up here illegally! Illegal is illegal, or it ain't illegal till you get caught. Once they are caught send them back!! And what the blaz'n heck do the Nazi's have to do with this. Like I said - it's the standard answer for liberal wussy wanna be's, when in doubt play the race card - well I'm not having any of it. Screw them, if they wanted it that bad stand in line and do it right the first time and we won't have to gather ya'll up and send you back. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

01-02-2003, 07:42 PM	#38
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	Everything you said about Illegals is exactly the same thing the Nazis said about the Jews...anyone who thinks I'm a Liberal Wuss Wannabe is having too much beer for breakfast

01-02-2003, 09:04 PM	#39
oneastrix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213 Trader Rating: (0)	We're forced to educate their "ever springing" offspring in the public schools in San Antonio. They literally chase the soccer season between the two countries. Here in the Fall and there in the Spring and what not. "Lone Star beer in my cereal is keeping me alive." -Pat Green __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

01-02-2003, 09:11 PM	#40
oneastrix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213 Trader Rating: (0)	Talk to Tri-West Health Care in Phoenix.......... __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.