Freakish Reloading

BattleRifleG3 · 05-19-2003, 01:07 PM

I think the Makarov caliber is about .364", right? Well, the same way people use .354" bullets in 35 Whelen (.358") and .308" bullets in 7.62x39 (.311") What about using .357" bullets in the 9mm Makarov? Yes, whole new loads would have to be figured out, but is it doable? It would seem to be more advantageous for CCW.

Dennis · 05-19-2003, 10:17 PM

As I understand it it is "doable" but not very accurate

jarcp · 05-20-2003, 04:18 AM

I would expect you would also get a bit of gas blow-by. If that's the case, it will wear on your barrel and cause erosion

Calvin · 05-20-2003, 06:39 AM

Your brass won't last long, either.

Bookman · 05-20-2003, 08:42 AM

IMHO - It won't work at all.

If the Makarov round headspaced on the rim, then you could get away with it. I expect, though, that it headspaces on the mouth like most other auto pistol rounds. To use a .357 bullet you will have to "crush" the mouth of the casing to keep the bullet from slipping down. This will ruin the headspacing.

I expect that the loaded round would move so far into the chamber that the firing pin won't reach it.

Bottom line - it won't work.

BattleRifleG3 · 05-20-2003, 11:48 AM

That makes total sense to me. Only reason I wanted to try it was to give it more power for CCW. Doesn't look like I'll be packin a Mak anyway. Glad to have plenty of knowledge here!

Big Dog · 05-20-2003, 04:13 PM

I think Bookman's right, in an auto-loader it isn't feasible. I did do this in a .38 revolver. I bought a box of .38 Super (IIRC) bullets by mistake, and didn't want to drive clear across town to return them. I loaded the .354 bullets into the .38 cases, and they worked rather well - decent accuracy. I did have a problem with a couple shifting forward in recoil, locking the cylinder. They needed to be well crimped.

jarcp · 05-20-2003, 06:29 PM

Battle Rifle, what kind of power are you looking to get? I carry my Mak CCW with 120g HP screaming at about 925FPS for 228FPE. I carry it beacuse it's as compact as most .380's (a little bigger) and packs a helluva better punch.

BattleRifleG3 · 05-21-2003, 10:32 AM

Well I've concluded that the Mak isn't good for me in any case. The kind of power I'm going for... Well, I'm one of those who are not extremely confident of 9mm Luger. I'll probably be going 40 cal, if not 45, but no smaller than 9x19mm.

jarcp · 05-24-2003, 06:20 AM

I too am one who thinks the .45 out preforms the 9x19. Frame size and weight are a bit hard to conceal though. Have you ever handeled the S&W titanium or scandium frame revolvers? OMG! they are feather light. It shockes the heck out of you. You think okay a revolver, light weight, ya-ya... But when you pick it up, you think What is this! plastic!! I'm thinking of buying one.

BattleRifleG3 · 05-27-2003, 02:22 PM

Never handled a Titanium revolver, but just ordered a Steyr M40. Pretty good combination of price, concealability, and substantiality.

Shane · 06-16-2003, 11:43 AM

The Mak caliber is 9.2 x 18mm. This is .363".

If you like the Mak (anyone whose ever tried one does) and want better velocity, check out the new .32 NAA load thats been developed.

As usual, the place to go is: www.gunboards.com/forums

Regards,
Shane

Dennis · 06-18-2003, 01:34 AM

The Titanium Revolvers are real "wippy" and they are hard to shoot.

r_p_bayly · 07-03-2003, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jarcp
Battle Rifle, what kind of power are you looking to get? I carry my Mak CCW with 120g HP screaming at about 925FPS for 228FPE. I carry it beacuse it's as compact as most .380's (a little bigger) and packs a helluva better punch.

and packs a helluva better punch. ??????????

NOT in my experience - I have shot the silver bear and barnhaul mak HP rounds into milk jugs - stopped in the 2nd gal jug. the silver bear HP in .380 stopped in the 3rd gallon jug - this is AT LEAST 6 inches more penetration

rpb

05-19-2003, 01:07 PM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Freakish Reloading I think the Makarov caliber is about .364", right? Well, the same way people use .354" bullets in 35 Whelen (.358") and .308" bullets in 7.62x39 (.311") What about using .357" bullets in the 9mm Makarov? Yes, whole new loads would have to be figured out, but is it doable? It would seem to be more advantageous for CCW. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

05-19-2003, 10:17 PM	#2
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	As I understand it it is "doable" but not very accurate __________________ Submitted with respect to all

05-20-2003, 04:18 AM	#3
jarcp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 253	I would expect you would also get a bit of gas blow-by. If that's the case, it will wear on your barrel and cause erosion __________________ Reed's Ammunition & Research 1209 SW 129th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 www.reedsammo.com info@reedsammo.com

05-20-2003, 06:39 AM	#4
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,996	Your brass won't last long, either. __________________ I've gone to look for myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait.

05-20-2003, 11:48 AM	#6
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	That makes total sense to me. Only reason I wanted to try it was to give it more power for CCW. Doesn't look like I'll be packin a Mak anyway. Glad to have plenty of knowledge here! __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

05-20-2003, 08:42 AM	#5
Bookman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10 paces south of Canada Posts: 738	IMHO - It won't work at all. If the Makarov round headspaced on the rim, then you could get away with it. I expect, though, that it headspaces on the mouth like most other auto pistol rounds. To use a .357 bullet you will have to "crush" the mouth of the casing to keep the bullet from slipping down. This will ruin the headspacing. I expect that the loaded round would move so far into the chamber that the firing pin won't reach it. Bottom line - it won't work.

05-20-2003, 04:13 PM	#7
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,205	I think Bookman's right, in an auto-loader it isn't feasible. I did do this in a .38 revolver. I bought a box of .38 Super (IIRC) bullets by mistake, and didn't want to drive clear across town to return them. I loaded the .354 bullets into the .38 cases, and they worked rather well - decent accuracy. I did have a problem with a couple shifting forward in recoil, locking the cylinder. They needed to be well crimped. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

05-20-2003, 06:29 PM	#8
jarcp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 253	Battle Rifle, what kind of power are you looking to get? I carry my Mak CCW with 120g HP screaming at about 925FPS for 228FPE. I carry it beacuse it's as compact as most .380's (a little bigger) and packs a helluva better punch. __________________ Reed's Ammunition & Research 1209 SW 129th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 www.reedsammo.com info@reedsammo.com

05-21-2003, 10:32 AM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Well I've concluded that the Mak isn't good for me in any case. The kind of power I'm going for... Well, I'm one of those who are not extremely confident of 9mm Luger. I'll probably be going 40 cal, if not 45, but no smaller than 9x19mm. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

05-24-2003, 06:20 AM	#10
jarcp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 253	I too am one who thinks the .45 out preforms the 9x19. Frame size and weight are a bit hard to conceal though. Have you ever handeled the S&W titanium or scandium frame revolvers? OMG! they are feather light. It shockes the heck out of you. You think okay a revolver, light weight, ya-ya... But when you pick it up, you think What is this! plastic!! I'm thinking of buying one. __________________ Reed's Ammunition & Research 1209 SW 129th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 www.reedsammo.com info@reedsammo.com

05-27-2003, 02:22 PM	#11
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Never handled a Titanium revolver, but just ordered a Steyr M40. Pretty good combination of price, concealability, and substantiality. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

06-16-2003, 11:43 AM	#12
Shane Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 45	Mak Caliber The Mak caliber is 9.2 x 18mm. This is .363". If you like the Mak (anyone whose ever tried one does) and want better velocity, check out the new .32 NAA load thats been developed. As usual, the place to go is: www.gunboards.com/forums Regards, Shane

06-18-2003, 01:34 AM	#13
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	The Titanium Revolvers are real "wippy" and they are hard to shoot. __________________ Submitted with respect to all