AK-47 Tac Trigger/Hellfire

Hipointshooter · 08-03-2004, 07:09 PM

Has anybody tried these trigger systems out?
GAT?
Hellfire?
Tac Trigger?
Super Tac Trigger?

BattleRifleG3 · 08-04-2004, 12:06 AM

Very good question, asking on each model. I have observed the Tac Trigger and if all the planets are in alignment and the Steelers have recently won a game, you might get a burst. Probably an assist at "bump firing". Other than that absolutely functionless and in the way.

I forget if it was Hellfire, Hellstorm, or something else, but one that a friend bought was an absolute farce. That is the general consensus on external trigger finger oriented simulation devices for full auto.

The ONLY one that has worked AT ALL is the Gat Trigger. It requires quite a bit of control to be diverted from the rifle to activate the trigger.

I would ONLY consider one if I planned to mount the gun somehow and hold the rear grip with my non-trigger hand. And I would make it myself.

I have seen three of the above, and would highly recommend NEVER BUY ONE. Make something if you want to have fun. I was toying with the idea of making a crank operated gun (I'm talking working the action by crank too) feeding from hi-cap mags.
Or I may make my own gat trigger for a gun I also make a mount for. If you make it, it won't cost much and you can throw it in the trash much easier if it doesn't work.

Hipointshooter · 08-04-2004, 12:39 PM

The tac trigger is the one that i thought worked

BattleRifleG3 · 08-04-2004, 03:35 PM

Nooooooooooo! (lunges forward to rescue Hipointshooter from falling into the pit of phony trigger devices)

NRAJOE · 08-04-2004, 04:15 PM

They are all crapola....

Shaun · 08-04-2004, 04:21 PM

If I recall the ATF does regulate this issue -- adding a burst is technically making them a ClassIII if you get one you may get a visit from black booted individuals with MP5's -- I remember recently one of the big parts suppliers got busted for selling these things.

TULAver · 08-04-2004, 04:37 PM

Hey Hipointshooter, all these devices are really just a guide to keep your finger in the right place so that the momentum of the rifle moving forward(after kicking back) makes you pull the trigger again. I'll echo all the warnings I've heard and say SAVE that money and buy more ammo with it.

If you really want a taste of the pseudo full auto firing, ask around about "Bump-firing". You can do everything that those trigger devices do, just with your bare finger, a lot of extra ammo to waste, a little patience to learn the sweet spot for your gun, and PLEASE be safe doing it.

The only practical use Full Auto has ever had was in delivering suppressive fire for advancing/flanking/retreating troops, and in bursting solid/armored targets. The only thing YOU will ever find it useful for is seeing how quickly you can burn $$$. But it IS an experience...

NRAJOE · 08-04-2004, 05:02 PM

How to bumpfire:

What is bump firing?
Bump firing is when you shoot the rifle from your hip and allow the recoil of the rifle to rapidly pull the trigger, the result is a close to full auto rate of fire that is very inacurate.

How do I bump fire?
First you hold the rifle at the right side of your hip. Once in place you put your trigger finger in front of the trigger(finger must be straight). The hand you are shooting with must not hold the pistol grip or any part of the rifle. To fire you pull the rifle forward with the hand holding the front hand guard. If you do it correctly your trigger finder should come in contact with the trigger because the rifle is being pulled forward. Once the rifle starts firing keep pulling the rifle forward with your hand that is holding the front of the rifle. Rember one must keep pulling the rifle into your straight trigger finger, you should not move you trigger finger into the trigger.

http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/index.shtml

TULAver · 08-04-2004, 05:18 PM

Oh, and a good rifle sling, as shown in the animation there, is must have item if you want to keep the thing even CLOSE to controllable.

Also, best not to attempt this from your shoulder. It can work, but it's harder to do, AND it kinda takes it's toll. Went out with my buddy the other day and we were shooting his Bushmaster "M-4". Couple of weeks ago he accidentally bumpfired my SKS and had been talking about how much of a rush it was ever since. He has a forward handle installed under the barrel, so I thought It'd be perfect for this, but I forgot to shoot from the hip.

Let's just say at the end of the day I was very glad I was shooting the girly-man .223 round. I think If I were to do any more bumpfiring, I'd do it with my 10/22 because it would be easier to control, and cheap enough to justify the fun

Hipointshooter · 08-04-2004, 06:35 PM

Thanks for the info im glad i didnt waste the money on it

TULAver · 08-04-2004, 08:50 PM

You get the lesson for free that many people paid good money to learn. I was interested in the devices as well, not to the point that I considered buying one, but interested in the mechanical function of the device. Once someone explained the way the 3 systems work, and the way you can bumpfire on your own, it made perfect sense to me that these are wastes of money.

Now, if you wanted, as BattlerifleG3 suggested, to build your own device, that would be more sensible, assuming it's legal to do so. It could be done with cheap hardware, and you'd get the satisfaction of having fabricated something for yourself, which is always nice. If anything, I think a crank operated trigger reciprocating device would be a nice novelty. Crank, frame to attach to triggerguard and a piston to attach to the trigger is pretty much all you'd need. Attach a bipod, hold the gun normally with your firing hand(just holding the grip though) and operate the crank with your off hand. Might even be somewhat controllable.

Course I guess it's always easier said than done...

BattleRifleG3 · 08-04-2004, 10:45 PM

Crank operated devices are legal, because you are applying the force for each trigger pull. You are basically creating a trigger extension that is easier for YOU to pull by YOUR strength EACH time.

As far as legality of others goes, many include a card saying that they are BATF approved. Now if BATF approved something and then prosecuted people for having it (which they HAVE done), that's rotten beyond rotten.

TULAver · 08-04-2004, 11:24 PM

Well, see there then, no laws against increasing the mechanical advantage of your trigger, I guess it's not really so different than polishing surfaces to ease trigger pull.

Kochman · 10-21-2009, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hipointshooter

Has anybody tried these trigger systems out?
GAT?
Hellfire?
Tac Trigger?
Super Tac Trigger?

I have tried Hell Fire on a Rugger 10/22 with mixed results. First I had to send the firing mechanism to Hell Fire so that it would work properly.
The thing is, this thing requires practice to function properly. When you get the hang of it it will dump a 50 shot clip so fast that it will bring a grin to your face that will take all weekend to get rid of it. The downside is that the gun must be held lightly so that the recoil action of the double trigger will operate which makes it almost impossible to hit much of anything. The 10/22 of course was never designed for full auto operation nor was a rim fire shell and will eventually jam. But so what? It's still cheap fun, doesn't affect normal operation, and impresses the neighbors and a whole range of uniformed officials.

R5CYA · 10-21-2009, 07:35 PM

lol! cool resurection! just in time for halloween!
dead posts are rising!
oh yeah, welcome aboard, Kochman!

R5CYA · 10-21-2009, 07:36 PM

p.s. i'd love to do that with my 50 rd mags on the 10/22!

Sprout47 · 10-21-2009, 07:43 PM

Aren't there better things to blow our money on?

R5CYA · 10-21-2009, 07:48 PM

call girls?

Pothole · 10-21-2009, 08:10 PM

^^ammo!!

for the rising dead!!

R5CYA · 10-21-2009, 08:19 PM

if the rising dead were call girls, i'd save alot of ammo!

08-03-2004, 07:09 PM	#1
Hipointshooter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mesa,AZ Posts: 106	AK-47 Tac Trigger/Hellfire Has anybody tried these trigger systems out? GAT? Hellfire? Tac Trigger? Super Tac Trigger? __________________ http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/248L.gif www.awbansunset.com www.arsenalinc.com www.gunsnstuff.net

08-04-2004, 12:06 AM	#2
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,692	Very good question, asking on each model. I have observed the Tac Trigger and if all the planets are in alignment and the Steelers have recently won a game, you might get a burst. Probably an assist at "bump firing". Other than that absolutely functionless and in the way. I forget if it was Hellfire, Hellstorm, or something else, but one that a friend bought was an absolute farce. That is the general consensus on external trigger finger oriented simulation devices for full auto. The ONLY one that has worked AT ALL is the Gat Trigger. It requires quite a bit of control to be diverted from the rifle to activate the trigger. I would ONLY consider one if I planned to mount the gun somehow and hold the rear grip with my non-trigger hand. And I would make it myself. I have seen three of the above, and would highly recommend NEVER BUY ONE. Make something if you want to have fun. I was toying with the idea of making a crank operated gun (I'm talking working the action by crank too) feeding from hi-cap mags. Or I may make my own gat trigger for a gun I also make a mount for. If you make it, it won't cost much and you can throw it in the trash much easier if it doesn't work. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-04-2004, 12:39 PM	#3
Hipointshooter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mesa,AZ Posts: 106	The tac trigger is the one that i thought worked __________________ http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/248L.gif www.awbansunset.com www.arsenalinc.com www.gunsnstuff.net

08-04-2004, 03:35 PM	#4
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,692	Nooooooooooo! (lunges forward to rescue Hipointshooter from falling into the pit of phony trigger devices) __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-04-2004, 04:15 PM	#5
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,737	They are all crapola.... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-04-2004, 04:21 PM	#6
Shaun Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,855	If I recall the ATF does regulate this issue -- adding a burst is technically making them a ClassIII if you get one you may get a visit from black booted individuals with MP5's -- I remember recently one of the big parts suppliers got busted for selling these things. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

08-04-2004, 04:37 PM	#7
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	Hey Hipointshooter, all these devices are really just a guide to keep your finger in the right place so that the momentum of the rifle moving forward(after kicking back) makes you pull the trigger again. I'll echo all the warnings I've heard and say SAVE that money and buy more ammo with it. If you really want a taste of the pseudo full auto firing, ask around about "Bump-firing". You can do everything that those trigger devices do, just with your bare finger, a lot of extra ammo to waste, a little patience to learn the sweet spot for your gun, and PLEASE be safe doing it. The only practical use Full Auto has ever had was in delivering suppressive fire for advancing/flanking/retreating troops, and in bursting solid/armored targets. The only thing YOU will ever find it useful for is seeing how quickly you can burn $$$. But it IS an experience... __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

08-04-2004, 05:02 PM	#8
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,737	How to bumpfire: What is bump firing? Bump firing is when you shoot the rifle from your hip and allow the recoil of the rifle to rapidly pull the trigger, the result is a close to full auto rate of fire that is very inacurate. How do I bump fire? First you hold the rifle at the right side of your hip. Once in place you put your trigger finger in front of the trigger(finger must be straight). The hand you are shooting with must not hold the pistol grip or any part of the rifle. To fire you pull the rifle forward with the hand holding the front hand guard. If you do it correctly your trigger finder should come in contact with the trigger because the rifle is being pulled forward. Once the rifle starts firing keep pulling the rifle forward with your hand that is holding the front of the rifle. Rember one must keep pulling the rifle into your straight trigger finger, you should not move you trigger finger into the trigger. http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/index.shtml __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-04-2004, 05:18 PM	#9
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	Oh, and a good rifle sling, as shown in the animation there, is must have item if you want to keep the thing even CLOSE to controllable. Also, best not to attempt this from your shoulder. It can work, but it's harder to do, AND it kinda takes it's toll. Went out with my buddy the other day and we were shooting his Bushmaster "M-4". Couple of weeks ago he accidentally bumpfired my SKS and had been talking about how much of a rush it was ever since. He has a forward handle installed under the barrel, so I thought It'd be perfect for this, but I forgot to shoot from the hip. Let's just say at the end of the day I was very glad I was shooting the girly-man .223 round. I think If I were to do any more bumpfiring, I'd do it with my 10/22 because it would be easier to control, and cheap enough to justify the fun __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

08-04-2004, 06:35 PM	#10
Hipointshooter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mesa,AZ Posts: 106	Thanks for the info im glad i didnt waste the money on it __________________ http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/248L.gif www.awbansunset.com www.arsenalinc.com www.gunsnstuff.net

08-04-2004, 08:50 PM	#11
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	You get the lesson for free that many people paid good money to learn. I was interested in the devices as well, not to the point that I considered buying one, but interested in the mechanical function of the device. Once someone explained the way the 3 systems work, and the way you can bumpfire on your own, it made perfect sense to me that these are wastes of money. Now, if you wanted, as BattlerifleG3 suggested, to build your own device, that would be more sensible, assuming it's legal to do so. It could be done with cheap hardware, and you'd get the satisfaction of having fabricated something for yourself, which is always nice. If anything, I think a crank operated trigger reciprocating device would be a nice novelty. Crank, frame to attach to triggerguard and a piston to attach to the trigger is pretty much all you'd need. Attach a bipod, hold the gun normally with your firing hand(just holding the grip though) and operate the crank with your off hand. Might even be somewhat controllable. Course I guess it's always easier said than done... __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

08-04-2004, 10:45 PM	#12
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,692	Crank operated devices are legal, because you are applying the force for each trigger pull. You are basically creating a trigger extension that is easier for YOU to pull by YOUR strength EACH time. As far as legality of others goes, many include a card saying that they are BATF approved. Now if BATF approved something and then prosecuted people for having it (which they HAVE done), that's rotten beyond rotten. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-04-2004, 11:24 PM	#13
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	Well, see there then, no laws against increasing the mechanical advantage of your trigger, I guess it's not really so different than polishing surfaces to ease trigger pull. __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

10-21-2009, 07:35 PM	#15
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 2,640	lol! cool resurection! just in time for halloween! dead posts are rising! oh yeah, welcome aboard, Kochman! __________________ Badges? We got no badges! i aint gotta show you no stinking badges!

10-21-2009, 07:36 PM	#16
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 2,640	p.s. i'd love to do that with my 50 rd mags on the 10/22! __________________ Badges? We got no badges! i aint gotta show you no stinking badges!

10-21-2009, 07:43 PM	#17
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10-21-2009, 07:48 PM	#18
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10-21-2009, 08:10 PM	#19
Pothole Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 294	^^ammo!! for the rising dead!!

10-21-2009, 08:19 PM	#20
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 2,640	if the rising dead were call girls, i'd save alot of ammo! __________________ Badges? We got no badges! i aint gotta show you no stinking badges!