Debating if the .223 AK is too much trouble

Beer Forever · 03-22-2006, 02:44 PM

I know that my MAK-90 in .223 is going to be a pain. Mags are hard to find, it has the bulky stock, and everything is different about it. Is it worth trading down to a WASR-10 for convience? What is a better round .223 or 7.62X.39??

NRAJOE · 03-22-2006, 02:59 PM

Real AK's are 7.62x39.....

Beer Forever · 03-22-2006, 02:59 PM

I was affraid of that.

Pred · 03-22-2006, 03:16 PM

Well, if you don't mind, how much are you going to pay for this .223 AK? Which is a better round? Well, that depends on what you want. Personally I wouldn't trust the Russian round past 150-200 yards, atleast not out of an AK, but the .223 was(from what I've read) designed more to "wound" someone instead of kill them. It has the range, but not the power, atleast IMO. Of course, I could be 100% wrong, which I probably am.

Beer Forever · 03-22-2006, 03:45 PM

THe WASR-10 is 339 new and the MAK-90 is 344 used. THe MAK-90 is the .223 that you already know so well because of the good little chat we had. What you say??

Pred · 03-22-2006, 03:55 PM

Well, if I remember right, the WASR-10 was a single stack rifle that was converted to take high capacity mags. You might see what you can get for another $100-$150(if you can swing it). Aimsurplus has "New Yugoslavian AK style M70AB2 Semi Automatic 7.62x39 Rifle with Under-folding Stock. Built using Original High Quality Yugoslavian parts. These Rifles feature New manufactured Heavy Duty US made receivers and New US Barrels. This Rifle has the best Fit and Finish of any AK type Rifle we have seen, very solid and well built. Includes accessories and magazines as pictured." for $429.95

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Y...der_Rifle.html

BRG3 could answer this, I don't know but I would think this would be a better rifle for less than $100 more, but again, I could be wrong.

Beer Forever · 03-22-2006, 04:06 PM

I was eying that yugo, but I am not sure if I can justify paying that.

Pred · 03-22-2006, 04:10 PM

Yeah, BRG3 will be the one to answer that. I mean, everyone says the WASR10 is a good rifle, and I believe them. However, my brother-in-law bought one from Centerfire Systems(I think) and the gun is junk. The front site was installed wrong, so it's off to one side, the muzzle break/slant, whatever, was on wrong. He installed a red-dot on it(used a receiver cover with a rail on top, bad choice) that never held zero. And on top of that he couldn't even HIT a yard sale sign at 50 yards with the open sights.

Beer Forever · 03-22-2006, 04:14 PM

IF I end up getting the WASR I know that I am going to look back and say man I should have bought that Yugo when I had the chance. That's it after work I am getting that Yugo and you will be looking at the pictures tonight. Maybe I can get my girlfriend to pose naked with it. Can I post naked pictures of her on the site or will that violate the rules?

Pred · 03-22-2006, 04:18 PM

You can send them to my email

. Did the place have a Yugo in stock?

Beer Forever · 03-22-2006, 04:19 PM

Yes sir they sure did. I was eyeing it and they said it was a great gun and I'd never second guess myself if I bought it.

Pred · 03-22-2006, 04:22 PM

I see your offline now, that better be because your gone to buy it. You can always get more money, but you may never get a second chance to buy a gun you want

NRAJOE · 03-22-2006, 04:36 PM

I keep telling you to save your money and buy the Cadillac of AK's but you won't listen:

http://www.arsenalinc.com/products.htm

Take it from me and Mandy, the milled ones are awesome....

BattleRifleG3 · 03-22-2006, 10:06 PM

The milled ones are indeed awesome. Caliber is a matter of preference. If you wanted to go 223, consider a Saiga 223 or WASR-3, they are a bit easier to find/mod mags for than the Norinco.

I concur with the majority on that a WASR is a good entry level AK, but a quality build such as the Yugo or a Vector is a good step up, and that the milleds kick the arses of similarly priced AR-15s, but I hold that a Saiga is the best rifle FOR THE MONEY. You will likely pay somewhere between the price of a WASR and a Yugo for all the parts involverd, but converting a Saiga to pistol grip and standard mags results in a rifle at least as good and in some ways better than the Vector and Yugo builds. The milled Bulgarians are certainly better yet, but the Saiga is a far larger drop in price than in quality.

Pred · 03-23-2006, 09:27 AM

Hey BRG3, do you know of a website that has all the AK markings on it? If my Dads friend cant run down to look at that AK this weekend, I might just go with him instead. I'd like to take something down with me to help me identify what the gun is.

03-22-2006, 02:44 PM	#1
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,755	Debating if the .223 AK is too much trouble I know that my MAK-90 in .223 is going to be a pain. Mags are hard to find, it has the bulky stock, and everything is different about it. Is it worth trading down to a WASR-10 for convience? What is a better round .223 or 7.62X.39?? __________________ Paramedic/Firefighter sks forever FMF Corpsman Proud Father and Husband Proud American!!

03-22-2006, 02:59 PM	#3
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,755	I was affraid of that. __________________ Paramedic/Firefighter sks forever FMF Corpsman Proud Father and Husband Proud American!!

03-22-2006, 03:16 PM	#4
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,866 Blog Entries: 3	Well, if you don't mind, how much are you going to pay for this .223 AK? Which is a better round? Well, that depends on what you want. Personally I wouldn't trust the Russian round past 150-200 yards, atleast not out of an AK, but the .223 was(from what I've read) designed more to "wound" someone instead of kill them. It has the range, but not the power, atleast IMO. Of course, I could be 100% wrong, which I probably am. Last edited by Pred; 03-22-2006 at 03:21 PM.

03-22-2006, 03:45 PM	#5
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,755	THe WASR-10 is 339 new and the MAK-90 is 344 used. THe MAK-90 is the .223 that you already know so well because of the good little chat we had. What you say?? __________________ Paramedic/Firefighter sks forever FMF Corpsman Proud Father and Husband Proud American!!

03-22-2006, 04:06 PM	#7
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,755	I was eying that yugo, but I am not sure if I can justify paying that. __________________ Paramedic/Firefighter sks forever FMF Corpsman Proud Father and Husband Proud American!!

03-22-2006, 02:59 PM	#2
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,737 Images: 3	Real AK's are 7.62x39.....

03-22-2006, 03:55 PM	#6
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,866 Blog Entries: 3	Well, if I remember right, the WASR-10 was a single stack rifle that was converted to take high capacity mags. You might see what you can get for another $100-$150(if you can swing it). Aimsurplus has "New Yugoslavian AK style M70AB2 Semi Automatic 7.62x39 Rifle with Under-folding Stock. Built using Original High Quality Yugoslavian parts. These Rifles feature New manufactured Heavy Duty US made receivers and New US Barrels. This Rifle has the best Fit and Finish of any AK type Rifle we have seen, very solid and well built. Includes accessories and magazines as pictured." for $429.95 http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Y...der_Rifle.html BRG3 could answer this, I don't know but I would think this would be a better rifle for less than $100 more, but again, I could be wrong.

03-22-2006, 04:10 PM	#8
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,866 Blog Entries: 3	Yeah, BRG3 will be the one to answer that. I mean, everyone says the WASR10 is a good rifle, and I believe them. However, my brother-in-law bought one from Centerfire Systems(I think) and the gun is junk. The front site was installed wrong, so it's off to one side, the muzzle break/slant, whatever, was on wrong. He installed a red-dot on it(used a receiver cover with a rail on top, bad choice) that never held zero. And on top of that he couldn't even HIT a yard sale sign at 50 yards with the open sights.

03-22-2006, 04:14 PM	#9
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,755	IF I end up getting the WASR I know that I am going to look back and say man I should have bought that Yugo when I had the chance. That's it after work I am getting that Yugo and you will be looking at the pictures tonight. Maybe I can get my girlfriend to pose naked with it. Can I post naked pictures of her on the site or will that violate the rules? __________________ Paramedic/Firefighter sks forever FMF Corpsman Proud Father and Husband Proud American!!

03-22-2006, 04:18 PM	#10
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,866 Blog Entries: 3	You can send them to my email . Did the place have a Yugo in stock?

03-22-2006, 04:19 PM	#11
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,755	Yes sir they sure did. I was eyeing it and they said it was a great gun and I'd never second guess myself if I bought it. __________________ Paramedic/Firefighter sks forever FMF Corpsman Proud Father and Husband Proud American!!

03-22-2006, 04:22 PM	#12
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,866 Blog Entries: 3	I see your offline now, that better be because your gone to buy it. You can always get more money, but you may never get a second chance to buy a gun you want

03-22-2006, 04:36 PM	#13
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,737 Images: 3	I keep telling you to save your money and buy the Cadillac of AK's but you won't listen: http://www.arsenalinc.com/products.htm Take it from me and Mandy, the milled ones are awesome....

03-22-2006, 10:06 PM	#14
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681 Images: 13	The milled ones are indeed awesome. Caliber is a matter of preference. If you wanted to go 223, consider a Saiga 223 or WASR-3, they are a bit easier to find/mod mags for than the Norinco. I concur with the majority on that a WASR is a good entry level AK, but a quality build such as the Yugo or a Vector is a good step up, and that the milleds kick the arses of similarly priced AR-15s, but I hold that a Saiga is the best rifle FOR THE MONEY. You will likely pay somewhere between the price of a WASR and a Yugo for all the parts involverd, but converting a Saiga to pistol grip and standard mags results in a rifle at least as good and in some ways better than the Vector and Yugo builds. The milled Bulgarians are certainly better yet, but the Saiga is a far larger drop in price than in quality. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-23-2006, 09:27 AM	#15
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,866 Blog Entries: 3	Hey BRG3, do you know of a website that has all the AK markings on it? If my Dads friend cant run down to look at that AK this weekend, I might just go with him instead. I'd like to take something down with me to help me identify what the gun is.