Thinking about a Saiga

[Beer Forever]

Thoughts of Saigas have been running around in my head. First, what is a good price for one in 7.62x.39? What are some good mods for it? I think that the folding stock looks weird because how far back it sits on the reciever, the gap, but I really like the pistol grip. What is the mag situation on these?



Same question for the Saiga 12.

[Pred]

Last time I saw the table at a show, the going rate for Saiga was $299 for a .223, $309 for 7.62x39, and $319 for he .308 version. I'm not sure about the Saiga 12's though, didn't see any of those. Most people by them and convert them to take a standard AK stock and grip. I would leave the handguard alone though, as its alot more trouble then its worth. They have the side mount on them for all the Russian optics, so thats a plus also. In one of the past threads I posted a link that told how to convert them. It's not that hard, but you have to be careful or you can screw up your receiver. Go to google and type in Saiga and see if you can come up with page that tells how to do this. I'll try to find it in the meantime. Heres a link that shows you what people have done with their saigas.

AR15.COM :: Forums :: Saiga Conversion Thread

[Beer Forever]

I have been looking at the Saiga 12s more and more. They are so sweet all pimped out. I want one, but I think that I am going to have to settle for a .308 because I am poor and go from there. I think that I am going to do this:


Then this for the shotgun
http://atlanticfirearms.com/admin/im...aiga12tac2.jpg

[Pred]

I wish there was a way to put the thumbhole stock on it without having to move the trigger guard, and maybe there is. One thing to remember though is mag capacity. I know one company has made 20 round mags for the Saiga .308. but last I checked there was like a 5 month backorder at about $50 a mag. I've also seen people that have made M14 mags work with the Saiga as well.

[Beer Forever]

I would like to have a 20 rounder, but for what I want to turn the .308 into I would need that many rounds. It is going to be long long range and accurate.

[Pred]

Hmm, well, then are you sure you want a Saiga? I mean, a Saiga is what it is. A Russian military type rifle at a great price. However, I don't know what you should expect, maybe BRG3 can answer that for you. I'm thinking 1.5"-2" groups with one, but not sure after that. However beyond 300 yards, I don't know. And by long range, what do you mean? 300 yards? 500 yards? 800+ yards?

Maybe you would be better off with a G3/Cetme platform, or an FAL. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't buy a Saiga, just think about it. I would hate for you to go spend $500 on something that doesn't give you want you want, when another $200-$300 spent might do a world of good.

[Beer Forever]

I am going to shoot it around 300 yards. I think that I want to get the 22 inch wood furnature with the Russian sniper scope and leave it at that. I would be crazy not to.

[Pred]

Now that would work.

[BattleRifleG3]

1. Typical accuracy with a Saiga 308 is 1.5moa at worst using proper ammo and optics. People have gotten 1.5 MOA with open sites.
2. Advantages of the S-308 over CETME and G3 - New manufacture vs parts kit rebuilds, full range of 308 ammo including hunting loads vs brass cased 7.62 NATO only, 22" barrel for maximum ballistics and minimal noise, and the impeccable reliability of the AK action. This is coming from someone called BattleRifleG3.
3. Converting a Saiga-308 to thumbhole or P-grip stock CAN be done without moving the trigger, but SHOULDN'T be. Reason is that the angle of the S-308 trigger is awkward to begin with, and is best served with an angled grip, not a near vertical one. Doing a typical FCG conversion will not only solve your P-grip needs, but give you a far better trigger as a result. You want this, trust me.
4. The mags will keep coming as long as there is demand. $50 is not unfair for a newly manufactured plastic magazine of the quantities needed for the S-308. For the hundreds more you'd pay for an equivalent rifle, you can get a bunch of mags, and if you ever really need to use that much ammo at once there will be plenty of dead people around whose guns you can take if you run out of mag capacity.

[Beer Forever]

That is exactly what I was thinking. It is going to be a long range semi-auto rifle. Close range I have an M4. The Saiga will be to take to the range and for hunting and fun. I like the stock wood furnature and I will add the Russian SVD scope and see how I like it and take it from there. I would like to do the pistol grip route, but I'll see what it is like with the stock wood furnature.

This is what I want except with wood and the 22''

[billy]

i just ordered the synth stock 22 in. 308 i will keep ya posted on how well it works...

[billy]

up date, it works just fine .this is a nice rifle ,for the $ i think its a great deal

[COYOTE10663]

Do they make 5 round mags for the Saiga? Are they any good? I like the Saiga in general. But do not care really for the "high cap AK assault rifle" look. I hear people say it is hard to get a good scope mount system for this rifle, but then I see allot of them with scopes & hear multiple stories of sub 2" groups ( in .308 with the 22" brl.). To me, that seems quite good. I believe I would keep the stock mount and just get a PSO-1 scope ( like the one in the 10th post) to go on mine, along with BRG3's standard wood stocks! Man, I am really starting to want one of these. See what yall have done to me !!!

[billy]

something along these lines? .apparently the scout mount is an even better way to go but the way i look at it is this rifle was designed to have a reciever mount so thats what i used. i dont know about 5 rd. mags this is the 8rd. mag

[BattleRifleG3]

The receiver is a little thin for a non-flexing scope mount. The advantage of the scout mount is that it is mounted to something much more firmly connected to the barrel. But some have had fine results with a receiver mount, so if it works for you then that's great.