a must see video

[tommy]

look how much the ak47 moves when fired . it looks like the gun is gonna fall apart. it's kinda scary at how much that thing wobbles.
YouTube - AK 47 vs M16

YouTube - m14 ebr

[at4rxj]

That's pretty crazy how much it moves. You can't argue with their reliability though.

I'm glad these guys took all that time to put that video together when they could have just asked us here.

[just_a_car]

Neat videos, thanks for posting.

[billy]

Originally Posted by at4rxj

That's pretty crazy how much it moves. You can't argue with their reliability though.

I'm glad these guys took all that time to put that video together when they could have just asked us here.

yup we coulda told em that!
i think i like the brutal force solution

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by billy

yup we coulda told em that!
i think i like the brutal force solution

I really like the 8 inch blocks of wood example. Rather telling.

[tommy]

yea the ak has a punch too it.

[just_a_car]

Now, admittedly, I'd take the M14/M1A over the AK, but if you look at Cost compared to what you get, I'd take the AK; I personally think it's one of the better deals for the money.

I also like the fact that you can make the 7.62x39 into a sub-sonic round by handloading it. Use something like the Sierra Match King 240gr BTHP and a small amount of "fluffy" low-bulk-density, fast burning powder (i.e. Red Dot) with a magnum large rifle primer and you should be right around 950fps, which is much less than 1130fps (~770mph, the speed of sound at sea level at 72F). Likely, with the heavier bullet, you could use a little more powder than this guy that used 200gr bullets.

The idea that I could shoot a bullet out of an AK with the report of an unsuppressed .22LR and the Bullet Energy around 480 ft-lbs is just rather appealing.

[tommy]

that would be a big thump when you got hit with it.it's a little or should i say about half the speed of a .44 special round and they are pretty good as for as a stopping round.they won't over penetrate and they flatten out to the size of a quater on impact. a regular .44 magnum would go right through you or fragment up but the slower moving round just flattens out and makes a bigger hole.

[just_a_car]

That's what I'm thinking, also. Probably not that great for much passed 200 yards, but within that, the ballistic coefficient is about 0.500 and would hold it's energy really well out that far. It would be a great addition to an AES-10/M72 to do what the SVD did and add range to a squad as a squad counter-sniper weapon.

You could also have some spare mags with regular full-charge ammo for when the "quiet" isn't necessary.

Edit: I actually checked an old (1981) handloading manual from the NRA for the .44 magnum loadings (as the case is almost the same internal water volume as 7.62x39) and they get them down into 900's, one in the 700's and one all the way down to 540, or so, FPS, but that's out of a 7" pistol barrel, rather than the 23" barrel of the AES-10/M72.

[akDom]

ak 47 = machine gun
ar 15 = rifle

The things i see moving the most(if not the only things) in the video are the cleaning rod and the magazine. the video say the end of the barrel is clearly flexing up and down but after watch it a few times it looks like the only thing thats moving is the cleaning rod. sure the ar is more accutate but if you can't put every round on target at 200 yards with an ak somethings wrong with you. I done it and every one else I ever witnessed firing the ak has too.

Is the ak on full auto in the slow-mo video? I bet it is. Nice video but sort of BS.

[tommy]

if you watch the video closely you will see that the lower front forearm grip is moving a pretty good bit and the barrel is flexxing alot . as for as the guy shooting it and not being able to hit the target i don't know how long ha has been shooting . i know that with an ak47 there is no reason why you can't get a body (torso)hit at 200/300/or 400 yards with an ak47.it's not going to group them like a ar15 but it will hit the targetand with an ak thats all you need to do is hit the target.

[akDom]

ok forearm grip moves but mine moves by just touching it. i still say the barrel is not moving its the clearning rod.

[billy]

i can hit a clay bird every time @100 yds. stationary of course, so I'm thinking a torso sized target wouldn't be a tough shot @ 2-300 yds.
with the wasr-10

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by tommy

as for as the guy shooting it and not being able to hit the target i don't know how long ha has been shooting .

Yeah, I had a problem with this. They had different guys shooting the two guns. Why not the same guy so we know it's the same level of competency with firearms?

[jerry]

Because they would have had to have twice as much chinese subtitles

[BFRANKlin]

Did you notice the bolt rod wobbling in the receiver in recoil shot in the second look? Still, I'd rather have an AK than the ugly, prone to failure AR. But better yet is the M1 Garand. I might own a new AR if they were $3-400.00 rather than $8-2000.00 guns. They aren't worth that much, they're overcomplicated, and WILL fail probably when you need it to work most. They are just not as hardy, dependable and hard hitting as the AKs. And it looked like the AK shooter was wearing sunglasses!

[billy]

thats my problem with the AR.
i see my fellow gunclub members with these beautiful,accurate, expensive AR's
that are always jamming on top drawer ammo.
and you need jewelers glasses and an entire toolbox to clean.
thats an exaggeration but not by much.
no thanks

i watch these guys compete and most of the time they are clearing a jam.
rarely actually i think never have i seen an entire match without at least one problem

BTW these are expensive well cared for rifles

[just_a_car]

Yeah, the only AR-variant I've had the pleasure to fire was a Bushmaster M4 semi-auto. I let the guy shoot my Mosin 91/30 and he reciprocated and let me shoot his carbine.

Thing is, it wouldn't cycle at all. The bolt didn't go back so I figure the gas system had something wrong with it. You had to work the charging handle every round, kind of like a K31 straight bolt action.

I'm thinking my next firearm will be an AES-10 or some AK-variant, but likely the AES-10 so that I can work it up to a tabuk-style sniper with a romanian folding wire stock. Plus, I can get that AES-10 for half of what I could get a lower-end AR for.

[tommy]

well i have to chime in on the bushmasterm4 i have one and it has never jammed. it spitts out everything i put into it . the only cleaning i do is after i shoot it i spray it down with some "powderblast" from walmart that stuff is great . i use a whole can on just my ar15 and them i come back with my remington gun oil in the erasol can it has the teflon in it i spray it down pretty good. after that i put it back in the closet where it sets for a few more months . but i never had a jam or mis fire with my bushmaster but i do keep it clean.now the ak's i own i keep them clean to but they really don't need to be cleaned they will shoot anyway.lol

[gandog56]

Well I could have paid about 800 bucks for a Bushie AR, or the 235 bucks I spent for my Saiga in .223, the same round as the AR.

Made for an easy decision.