02-18-2008, 11:47 PM
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| Need help choosing parts for AK build! Well, I've decided I want to start building an AK47! yay for me  Ok, so I've done a few hours of research, but I would like some help on a few things... What are the best/NOT crap parts What is the best receiver flat I can get? (I've looked at the ones on Tapco's site. Not sure if those are the best, but they look pretty good) If I bought this list of parts (not going to happen anytime soon) What else would I be needing besides barrel, bolt/carrier, ect ect? Is it more 'price efficient' to buy a KIT or buy everything separately? I'm thinking it would be an a lot better quality build if I bought all the parts separately, but what do I know! Receiver flat - $15 Complete Rivit Set $8 AK Screw Build set - $5 AK Cross Member Bushing $3 AK G2 Trigger Group (single) $32 AK/MAK Full Length Gas Piston $20 AK Slant Muzzle Brake - $10 Top Cover, AK-47, Bulgarian - 18.95 Bullet Guide, 7.62, Bulgaria - 17.95 Retainer Pin for AK-47 Gas Pistons, Bulgaria - $3.95 Firing Pin, 7.62, Romania - 8.95 Front Sight Block & Gas Chamber Combo, Bulgaria $112.95 AK Barrel Nut, 14X1 LH Thread, USA $19.95 Fellow AK builders show me the way!!!  Any input would be greatly appreciated! 
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02-19-2008, 12:17 AM
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| Super Moderator   | Forget the Flat...If you dont have the jig and the Hydraulic press to do the proper bending, you are wasting your time. If you arent somewhat of a gunsmith, you are also wasting your time...HONESTLY. Cheaper to buy one that is already built, then do some parts mods from there! Rich ( I Have built 3 of them )
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02-19-2008, 01:30 AM
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| Are you offering to build me one ?  Meh, Locksmith, Gunsmith... pretty dang close I do plan on buying a hydraulic press, and I could (with a little work) make the jigs necessary for the bending of the flat. I have have practically every tool I would need to build this rifle, besides the hydraulic press and jig. I am pretty mechanically inclined, and my father can build/make just about anything... So, with the right tools, I think it would be well worth it. I know it will be a lot of work, but I'm not gonna try to get this done in a couple days or anything... I will be taking my sweet ole' time...
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02-19-2008, 01:40 AM
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| Might not want to take too much of your sweet ole time, in case they decide to ban them again. Rather buy one already built and have it then try to do it on my own, and not have it if they do ban them again. You could buy one already built, then try and build one; then if they do ban them, you've at least still got the one you bought.
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02-19-2008, 03:58 PM
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| Yeah, I realize that... In ''taking my sweet ole' time'', I mean, I'm not going to rush this... I just want to do it right the first time, ya know?
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02-19-2008, 04:17 PM
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| Senior Member  | If there is a ban it isn't going to affect unassembled parts you already have, so you have nothing to worry about there, not to mention any ban is nearly a year off at soonest. If you're confident in your ability I say go ahead and build your own. As for the parts, I don't know lol I'm more into SKS's.
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02-19-2008, 06:04 PM
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| Thor's Hammer   | I looked into doing the exact same thing about a year ago. After reading all I could, talking to Moose, and buying some build plans, I surmised that with my time counted, it would be cheaper to buy one and mod it out. She's a mean black-rifle that scares people at the range! Then I pull out a Mosin (LOL)!
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02-19-2008, 06:12 PM
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| ROFL, SS! Yeah, people think the AK variants are dirty little girls... then they see its big sister, the Mosin and they really mess their panties.
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02-19-2008, 06:58 PM
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| Alright, good point... Thanks. I've looked at a few kits... (currently the only parts kits I've seen) Hugarian Romanian Polish Now, I know the Romanian Wars10's are on the real low end of Ak's, but how are the Hungarian and Polish AK parts kits? Edit: You guys are nutty lol...
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02-19-2008, 07:32 PM
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| Senior Member | One of my brothers is currently looking to buy several AK kits and build some. From what I heard, he's getting Bulgarian kits.
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02-20-2008, 12:54 AM
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| You can pick up flats with all holes drilled and rails included for around $13+shipping and a jig can be had for $89+shipping, then get yourself a press from Harbor Freight and then a parts kit and you've got yourself a "no-papers" gun. As for which kit is "best", I would think that the Romanians are just fine, since it's really the Century builds of the Romanians that are considered bad; for some reason they didn't put them together very well. I would imagine the original parts are just fine (other than normal wear) as they worked fine prior to import.
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02-20-2008, 01:02 AM
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Also, you MUST heat treat the receiver and especially the rails Properly...this takes some metallurgical Knowledge !!! Oh, and you need a Spot welder too. By the way JAC...Who has the Jig for 89.00 ?I've never seen one for less than 150 -175... Rich
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02-20-2008, 01:14 AM
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02-20-2008, 01:20 AM
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| Super Moderator | You better read the FINE PRINT.... "The price for our bottom bending jig is just $ 89 shipped. We also expect to have a top edge bending jig - no hammers required - by the end of this month and the price will be $ 59. We think these prices are very reasonable ""I am not currently shipping any jigs right now. I've been on a break, working to save the money for the machine pictured below. The plan right now is to beef up the designs a bit to make them stronger and also I plan on coming up with a custom made wood box to make shipping more reliable. The install guy for the milling machine is supposed to be here next week - and then it will be another month or two after that before I am ready to ship anything out the door. So it is still 150.00 for the jig Rich
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02-20-2008, 01:39 AM
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| Thanks for jumpin' in with the 922f stuff there Moose, I had let that slip my mind, yet it's vitally important. Also, I hadn't seen that fine print... but even still, $150 ain't too bad, but I've seen plans and picture instructions on how to create/weld-up your own jig. Can't say that'd be the best idea, but if you're confident in your abilities, that might be the way to go.
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02-20-2008, 01:44 AM
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| Super Moderator | For 150 I can Buy 2 Receivers ready to drill the trunnion holes...Prebent with rails installed ! Rich
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02-20-2008, 01:51 AM
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02-20-2008, 11:08 AM
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| Thanks for the fine print moose! Good thing I have already decided to build my own jig and frame I'm going to the scrap yard today to get some angle iron
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02-20-2008, 08:27 PM
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| Super Moderator | You need more than angle Iron...You need a 2 piece machined bolt together jig, the flat has to bolt to the bottom of it, and the jig also has to have the cutouts for the mag well dimples. Next you need a machined die block in which to press into to make the first bends...all clearances and angles must be perfect or you will just destroy flats. then you need another for the top bends which are more critical because of guiding the bolt... You also have to disassemble the jig after making the bends so it can be removed without distorting tempered sheet metal... Did I mention that the flats are tempered to a certain degree, so they don't bend easily...
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02-20-2008, 10:58 PM
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| I'm the guy that has the GunJigs site - saw you guys came for a visit. Moose is right, I don't have any jigs and the next best is $150. If you're going to do it yourself, there is a whole bunch of fotos of the old style angle iron jigs you can check out. On Gunco.net they have a thread called the poor man's jig that has a bunch of people that did their own. Also this site has a TON of links to all kinds of build it yourself info. Best of luck on your build. I think the best reason for doing one yourself is the self-satisfaction you get from learning a new skill and ability. I'm as guilty of it as anyone - too easy to plop down the money instead of doing the work BuildYourOwnAK.com And this guy has a real good start to finish build on his site - How to build an AK type rifle |
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