Weird problem with Romanian

Big Tool · 02-29-2008, 10:38 PM

I took my saiga, and my romanian out today to do some shooting to adjust the sights. I got the saiga dead on, but when i started with the romanian i was having some odd issues.

I fired a few rounds with no problems. I checked my target and adjusted the sights and fired another. When i went to fire the next round the trigger was completely slack, and had no tension and would not fire. I ejected the round and apparently the gun had double fired from the last shot, but the firing pin didn't hit the primer hard enough to make it go bang. After i ejected the round i chambered another and it fired fine. The next shot double fired and did a two shot burst. I then emptied the clip and out of about 10 rounds it did it one more time but didn't fire on that one, it had to be ejected manually.

I thought that was pretty odd, so i loaded up another magazine and blew through it without a single problem.

I'm kinda stumped. What could be causing the gun to double fire??

Mooseman684 · 02-29-2008, 10:48 PM

You need to replace the trigger group...or you have a weak sear spring..That aint right ! I would put the Tapco trigger group in it.
Rich
Ps...You may want to check the spring arms that hold the trigger Tension and make sure they are in the proper position.

cetmedog · 02-29-2008, 10:55 PM

Disconnector is screwed up or the disconnector spring is bad. Go with what Moose said, replace the FCG. I bet it has the crappy Century FCG, it should have a "C" on the trigger if that's what it is.

Mooseman684 · 02-29-2008, 11:12 PM

Only Full auto guns have a disconnector...It is a SEAR !

cetmedog · 02-29-2008, 11:20 PM

I'll bet you a bufflo nickel its a disconnector. In the name auto is sear, auto sear. The sear trip is the toggle that sits in front of the hammer on full auto AK rifles. If you want proof look up Tapco parts and it is even listed as a disconnector. You owe me a nickel

Big Tool · 03-01-2008, 02:29 AM

It already has the tapco trigger group. Pardon my ignorance, but what is the sear sping? How do i identify it.

GlockMeister · 03-01-2008, 02:37 AM

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Romanian Kalashnikov Rifles

Here are 2 more great informational and helpful websites you should check out and bookmark.

Collecting and Shooting the AK 47 - HISTORY
The Box O' Truth - Educational Zone

SwedeSteve · 03-01-2008, 09:51 AM

If it has a Tapco FCG, look to see if it's installed correctly. Look for what Moose said!

billy · 03-01-2008, 09:55 AM

that sounds really dangerous.
i would be so freaked out if one of my guns decided to empty the mag for me.
ANY unplanned rounds downrange is my worst nightmare!

cetmedog · 03-01-2008, 06:33 PM

A SEAR spring is a coiled spring at the end of the shepards hook on full auto rifles. A DISCONNECTOR spring is the one that looks like a click pen spring in between the trigger and DISCONNECTOR that is cradled in the trigger. What could be causing the discharge is the DISCONNECTOR not catching the back of the hammer when the trigger is fully pulled back. This leads to the hammer follow the bolt carrier up and causing a accidental fire in some cases. No disrespect to Moose but it is called a DISCONNECTOR. Just to clear things up we are talking a semi-auto AK, not a select fire one. I can see if you mean the sear surface on the hook of the trigger itself, if that surface is bad that could do it too.

Mike82 · 03-28-2008, 11:32 AM

mine has tapco fcg, tapco forestock, tapco gas chamber cover, tapco pistol grip......yet wont shoot wolf ammo......all that glam i guess made it think it deserves only premium ammo, like the $1.25/rd winchester FMJ....and it wont shoot hollow points unless u file down the edge on bottom of chamber, cuz the hollow point catches on edge sometimes....not all the time, but sometimes....

SwedeSteve · 03-29-2008, 05:01 AM

I didn't mention this before because I thought it too obvious. Make sure your shepherds hook wasn't installed wrong and allowed an axis pin to slip.

Big Tool · 03-29-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

I didn't mention this before because I thought it too obvious. Make sure your shepherds hook wasn't installed wrong and allowed an axis pin to slip.

Nothing is too obvious to me SS. I had an opportunity to break it all down the other day and couldn't find a thing that looked out of place. I'm gonna take it out again and see what it does.

When i said earlier in my first post how it emptied the clip i mean I emptied the clip and it functioned as usual.

When it was double striking. It would shoot the first bullet and hit the primer on the fresh round in the chamber. It only fired once, but it dented the primer on about 3 different times, with no bang. so i'm guessing it didn't cock all the way. I'm guessing it's the sear spring is weak and not fully engaging the hammer.

SwedeSteve · 03-29-2008, 01:20 PM

Either that, or there is something retarding the forward movement of the firing pin?
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Ding · 04-02-2008, 02:18 PM

check against these diagrams to see if it is connected right but I don't think it is the problem.century is notorious for screwups and shoddy work.the firing pin is a free float and inertia will leave a mark on the firing pin,but not too deep,check to see if it is loose by taking the bolt out and shaking it.if the pin rattles back and forth it is OK.if it doesn't move it is bound up by something or bent.as for your trigger going slack,sounds like your disconnector/sear didn't engage when the bolt carrier came back.could be just a new thing and just oil up the bottom of the carrier and/or the rails and maybe smooth/polish the hammer,not the face where it hits the pin but the top that makes contact with the carrier or just hand cycle it a couple hundred times to smooth it out.somehow I think it just needs to be worked in.again,oil it on the contact points and cycle it some.I think that will help with your problem..

Big Tool · 04-21-2008, 01:39 AM

Thanks for all the advice guys. I think I found the problem. I was kinda thinking it the whole time, but finally got the rifle broke down and found it. When I got the gun I didnt' clean the internals, and apparently between cosmoline and carbon buildup the firing pin was gettting stuck in the forward position. I guess even an AK needs a solvent bath every once in a while.

I gave it a good cleaning and all has been well the last time i took it out i shot it a bunch and not a single mishap.

02-29-2008, 10:38 PM	#1
Big Tool Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MS Posts: 637	Weird problem with Romanian I took my saiga, and my romanian out today to do some shooting to adjust the sights. I got the saiga dead on, but when i started with the romanian i was having some odd issues. I fired a few rounds with no problems. I checked my target and adjusted the sights and fired another. When i went to fire the next round the trigger was completely slack, and had no tension and would not fire. I ejected the round and apparently the gun had double fired from the last shot, but the firing pin didn't hit the primer hard enough to make it go bang. After i ejected the round i chambered another and it fired fine. The next shot double fired and did a two shot burst. I then emptied the clip and out of about 10 rounds it did it one more time but didn't fire on that one, it had to be ejected manually. I thought that was pretty odd, so i loaded up another magazine and blew through it without a single problem. I'm kinda stumped. What could be causing the gun to double fire??

02-29-2008, 10:48 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,533 Images: 2	You need to replace the trigger group...or you have a weak sear spring..That aint right ! I would put the Tapco trigger group in it. Rich Ps...You may want to check the spring arms that hold the trigger Tension and make sure they are in the proper position. __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM! Last edited by Mooseman684; 02-29-2008 at 10:51 PM.

02-29-2008, 11:12 PM	#4
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,533 Images: 2	Only Full auto guns have a disconnector...It is a SEAR ! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

03-01-2008, 02:37 AM	#7
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 6,267	Give this website here a good looking over. I'm sure you'll find it very informative and helpful. Might I also suggest bookmarking it... You should be able to find some answers. Look on the left under trigger control group. Romanian Kalashnikov Rifles Here are 2 more great informational and helpful websites you should check out and bookmark. Collecting and Shooting the AK 47 - HISTORY The Box O' Truth - Educational Zone __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6! Last edited by GlockMeister; 03-01-2008 at 02:38 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-01-2008, 09:51 AM	#8
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,563 Images: 1	If it has a Tapco FCG, look to see if it's installed correctly. Look for what Moose said! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

02-29-2008, 10:55 PM	#3
cetmedog Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: 2 weeks from everywhere Posts: 129	Disconnector is screwed up or the disconnector spring is bad. Go with what Moose said, replace the FCG. I bet it has the crappy Century FCG, it should have a "C" on the trigger if that's what it is.

02-29-2008, 11:20 PM	#5
cetmedog Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: 2 weeks from everywhere Posts: 129	I'll bet you a bufflo nickel its a disconnector. In the name auto is sear, auto sear. The sear trip is the toggle that sits in front of the hammer on full auto AK rifles. If you want proof look up Tapco parts and it is even listed as a disconnector. You owe me a nickel

03-01-2008, 02:29 AM	#6
Big Tool Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MS Posts: 637	It already has the tapco trigger group. Pardon my ignorance, but what is the sear sping? How do i identify it.

03-01-2008, 09:55 AM	#9
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,264 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	that sounds really dangerous. i would be so freaked out if one of my guns decided to empty the mag for me. ANY unplanned rounds downrange is my worst nightmare! __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

03-01-2008, 06:33 PM	#10
cetmedog Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: 2 weeks from everywhere Posts: 129	A SEAR spring is a coiled spring at the end of the shepards hook on full auto rifles. A DISCONNECTOR spring is the one that looks like a click pen spring in between the trigger and DISCONNECTOR that is cradled in the trigger. What could be causing the discharge is the DISCONNECTOR not catching the back of the hammer when the trigger is fully pulled back. This leads to the hammer follow the bolt carrier up and causing a accidental fire in some cases. No disrespect to Moose but it is called a DISCONNECTOR. Just to clear things up we are talking a semi-auto AK, not a select fire one. I can see if you mean the sear surface on the hook of the trigger itself, if that surface is bad that could do it too. Last edited by cetmedog; 03-01-2008 at 06:45 PM.

03-28-2008, 11:32 AM	#11
Mike82 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Starkville, Mississippi USA Go BullDAWGS!!! Posts: 1,819 Images: 7	mine has tapco fcg, tapco forestock, tapco gas chamber cover, tapco pistol grip......yet wont shoot wolf ammo......all that glam i guess made it think it deserves only premium ammo, like the $1.25/rd winchester FMJ....and it wont shoot hollow points unless u file down the edge on bottom of chamber, cuz the hollow point catches on edge sometimes....not all the time, but sometimes.... __________________ No Trespassing! Violators Will Be Shot! Survivors Will Be Shot Again!

03-29-2008, 05:01 AM	#12
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,563 Images: 1	I didn't mention this before because I thought it too obvious. Make sure your shepherds hook wasn't installed wrong and allowed an axis pin to slip. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-29-2008, 01:20 PM	#14
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 12,563 Images: 1	Either that, or there is something retarding the forward movement of the firing pin? Maybe disassemble again and check for dirt/cosmo and/or bent firing pin before buying parts. If you do look at respringing, Look here and go with the +15% power spring. Wolff Gunsprings Manufactures springs for modern and vintage firearms, guns, hammer, pistols, handguns, revolvers, rifles, shotguns, semiautomatic, accessories, weapons, law enforcement, hunting, shooting, recoil, colt, mainsprings, magazines, IPSC and then the sear/disconnector spring from Tapco: TAPCO-World's finest shooting and military gear - Home __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

04-02-2008, 02:18 PM	#15
Ding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Orygun Posts: 57	check against these diagrams to see if it is connected right but I don't think it is the problem.century is notorious for screwups and shoddy work.the firing pin is a free float and inertia will leave a mark on the firing pin,but not too deep,check to see if it is loose by taking the bolt out and shaking it.if the pin rattles back and forth it is OK.if it doesn't move it is bound up by something or bent.as for your trigger going slack,sounds like your disconnector/sear didn't engage when the bolt carrier came back.could be just a new thing and just oil up the bottom of the carrier and/or the rails and maybe smooth/polish the hammer,not the face where it hits the pin but the top that makes contact with the carrier or just hand cycle it a couple hundred times to smooth it out.somehow I think it just needs to be worked in.again,oil it on the contact points and cycle it some.I think that will help with your problem.. __________________ I Only Listen To The 14 Little Voices In My Head,The Other Ones Mean Nothing. Last edited by Ding; 04-02-2008 at 02:31 PM.

04-21-2008, 01:39 AM	#16
Big Tool Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MS Posts: 637	Thanks for all the advice guys. I think I found the problem. I was kinda thinking it the whole time, but finally got the rifle broke down and found it. When I got the gun I didnt' clean the internals, and apparently between cosmoline and carbon buildup the firing pin was gettting stuck in the forward position. I guess even an AK needs a solvent bath every once in a while. I gave it a good cleaning and all has been well the last time i took it out i shot it a bunch and not a single mishap.