wasr 2, feeding probs please help!

squirrelbaster · 03-02-2008, 07:24 PM

ok bought a wasr 2 ak74 at the gunshow, took it out and it does not cycle correctly, the first bullet fires then the second one feeds wierd and gets trapped at an angle. out of 50 rounds 5 cycled correctly. i tryed both a surplus and golden tiger ammo. i also tryed two different makes of mags. it seems like the bolt might be sliding over the bullet as it trys to load the second bullet. any help would be GREATLY appiciated. please ask for any more info you could need, or if there are somthing youneed a pic of to help.

littlejoe872 · 03-02-2008, 09:11 PM

I have a Romanian WASR-2, as we discussed in your other post. I only had mine out once so far, and it operated as expected. I don't know what to tell you, other than, make sure you cleaned it well, and lubricate the bolt carrier well. Mine seemed to drag the bolt on the mag when I would cycle the bolt with no rounds in it, but when I took it out, it worked ok. It was almost like a bolt hold-open, but the rifle doesn't have one. I just make sure that when I pull the bolt back to chamber the first round, I'm not delicate about it to be sure that the bolt seats the round and locks in firing position. Some people have talked about the gas tube being canted on Romanian WASR's, but mine isn't. Mine came with an East German, bakelite mag, and I bought a few others. I've used 2 different mags so far, and didn't have any problems. I also use surplus ammo. I hope this helps some, or somebody more knowledgeable with some prior experience with this problem comes along.

squirrelbaster · 03-02-2008, 09:21 PM

yeah i know what youmean about the bolt holdopen, mine holds open if it i dont rack it fast. i gaveit aquick clean after shooting today just to get rid ofthe corrosive salts. ill give it a deep clean in the morning hope that helps......

just_a_car · 03-03-2008, 05:29 AM

Yeah, make sure you open up and go to town on cleaning the gas tube and gas piston. If those are gunked-up with cosmoline, it could be your problem, but I doubt it.

Could also be some sort of bad binding on the spring when it returns, causing the bolt not to go back quite far enough to load another round... but again, I doubt that's the case, as Golden Tiger's good stuff (I shot 20rds in my AES-10 and it was Gr-r-r-reat!.... sorry, couldn't resist).

Oddly enough, I was having the same problem with my CETME. It ended up being that the mag springs were old and too weak. I'm not sure why, but they weren't holding the rounds up hard enough to feed properly and I was getting them where the bolt would jam them up against the feed ramp.

Either replace the mags with new or replace the mag-spring with new and see if that fixes your problem.

SwedeSteve · 03-03-2008, 06:42 AM

Once again JAC is spot on! I would only add that an inspection of the piston face is in order. Look for wear on the face that would signal a slightly canted gas piston.

just_a_car · 03-03-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

Once again JAC is spot on! I would only add that an inspection of the piston face is in order. Look for wear on the face that would signal a slightly canted gas piston.

Good call, SS. It had totally slipped my mind that we've had a rash of folks come through with canted pistons that were dragging and slowing the action of the bolt carrier. There might be wear marks on the side of the piston head as well as the face, depending on how it's bent/twisted/canted.

Rave · 03-03-2008, 08:16 PM

Another possible,make sure the bolt face is clean,especially behind the extracter.

squirrelbaster · 03-05-2008, 11:22 AM

well i think it is maybe a combo of needing a stronger spring and a slightly canted gas piston, when the bolt holds open thereis clearly more space ont the left of it than there is on hte right, ill post a pic, what is the fix for this? is it something i can do my self?!

Rave · 03-05-2008, 03:00 PM

I just can't help it,those AK's just look so good!

just_a_car · 03-05-2008, 03:10 PM

Maybe it's just me, but that looks like your bolt carrier is canted to the right. Do the rails look like they're where they should be?... Is everything where it should be with the bolt and bolt carrier?

I just hope it's something that isn't sitting right... otherwise, you're looking at some serious misalignment issues with the receiver and/or the bolt carrier.

Could you get a picture looking down on the bolt carrier from the rear, left and right? That might give us an idea of whether there may be something slightly "off" with the position of the carrier.

littlejoe872 · 03-05-2008, 03:33 PM

I took my receiver cover off, and put mine in the same configuration as you have yours in the pic with the bolt held open, and mine also has more space on the left than on the right, however, not as bad as yours. There is still space on the right on mine between the bolt carrier and the receiver. If your bolt carrier is aligned properly, maybe trying a new bolt carrier with the same bolt so as not to affect headspace would be in order.

squirrelbaster · 03-05-2008, 04:06 PM

the bolt carryer seems to be on there correct, and iv taken it apart a few times andputit back together. i guess it has to be that the bolt carryer is canted ot the right or that the gas cylender to the left. ill post some more pics with the bolt shut and open.

just_a_car · 03-05-2008, 04:43 PM

I just checked my AES-10 (Bought a Century (CAI) AES-10) which is kind of like a long-barreled WASR-10 and it's slightly off to the right when it's out also, but still has about 1-2mm of clearance. I noticed that on the right side of my bolt, it rubs just behind the hole for the pin that holds the bolt in... right after where it gets to the full diameter of the bolt. It appears that it rubs when it's entering and the black paint that was on it is coming off. I don't have any feeding or firing issues, though.

From the way your's looks, it appears it's rubbing on the left side further back and I can't tell about the right side both because it's blurry and because it's in the receiver too far (probably a difference between the 7.62 and 5.45 models), where as mine 'hangs' on the hammer with a part of the piston showing. I'm wondering if, since your's seems to be canted a little further right than mine and littlejoe's, if it's not maybe hitting there, bouncing to the left and then making that rub mark on the left side further back. If it's hanging up a bit as it hits, that could be your feeding issue. I'm not sure if you'll be able to see it, but try pulling it back and releasing it a few times to see if you can notice if it's doing that (probably too fast... maybe use your camera to record a video and watch frame-by-frame?... I've done it before and can really help).

Also, that bolt and bolt carrier need some love... there's rust forming around the bolt face and just above it. Some very light rubbing with 0000 steel wool and some oil are in order. The inside of that rifle looks pretty dry, have you oiled anything in there?

squirrelbaster · 03-05-2008, 04:59 PM

il try to getsome vidio of it and look frame by frame but ill have to figure out how first and thats not rust thats just the glare from my flash.

03-02-2008, 07:24 PM	#1
squirrelbaster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,712	wasr 2, feeding probs please help! ok bought a wasr 2 ak74 at the gunshow, took it out and it does not cycle correctly, the first bullet fires then the second one feeds wierd and gets trapped at an angle. out of 50 rounds 5 cycled correctly. i tryed both a surplus and golden tiger ammo. i also tryed two different makes of mags. it seems like the bolt might be sliding over the bullet as it trys to load the second bullet. any help would be GREATLY appiciated. please ask for any more info you could need, or if there are somthing youneed a pic of to help.

03-02-2008, 09:11 PM	#2
littlejoe872 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rockland County, NY Posts: 324	I have a Romanian WASR-2, as we discussed in your other post. I only had mine out once so far, and it operated as expected. I don't know what to tell you, other than, make sure you cleaned it well, and lubricate the bolt carrier well. Mine seemed to drag the bolt on the mag when I would cycle the bolt with no rounds in it, but when I took it out, it worked ok. It was almost like a bolt hold-open, but the rifle doesn't have one. I just make sure that when I pull the bolt back to chamber the first round, I'm not delicate about it to be sure that the bolt seats the round and locks in firing position. Some people have talked about the gas tube being canted on Romanian WASR's, but mine isn't. Mine came with an East German, bakelite mag, and I bought a few others. I've used 2 different mags so far, and didn't have any problems. I also use surplus ammo. I hope this helps some, or somebody more knowledgeable with some prior experience with this problem comes along. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-03-2008, 05:29 AM	#4
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,382	Yeah, make sure you open up and go to town on cleaning the gas tube and gas piston. If those are gunked-up with cosmoline, it could be your problem, but I doubt it. Could also be some sort of bad binding on the spring when it returns, causing the bolt not to go back quite far enough to load another round... but again, I doubt that's the case, as Golden Tiger's good stuff (I shot 20rds in my AES-10 and it was Gr-r-r-reat!.... sorry, couldn't resist). Oddly enough, I was having the same problem with my CETME. It ended up being that the mag springs were old and too weak. I'm not sure why, but they weren't holding the rounds up hard enough to feed properly and I was getting them where the bolt would jam them up against the feed ramp. Either replace the mags with new or replace the mag-spring with new and see if that fixes your problem. __________________

03-03-2008, 06:42 AM	#5
SwedeSteve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 6,922	Once again JAC is spot on! I would only add that an inspection of the piston face is in order. Look for wear on the face that would signal a slightly canted gas piston. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-03-2008, 08:16 PM	#7
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,604	Another possible,make sure the bolt face is clean,especially behind the extracter. __________________ USAF '62-'66 "Big Business Trumps America!" Now THAT'S a legacy! .

03-02-2008, 09:21 PM	#3
squirrelbaster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,712	yeah i know what youmean about the bolt holdopen, mine holds open if it i dont rack it fast. i gaveit aquick clean after shooting today just to get rid ofthe corrosive salts. ill give it a deep clean in the morning hope that helps......

03-05-2008, 11:22 AM	#8
squirrelbaster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,712	well i think it is maybe a combo of needing a stronger spring and a slightly canted gas piston, when the bolt holds open thereis clearly more space ont the left of it than there is on hte right, ill post a pic, what is the fix for this? is it something i can do my self?! Last edited by squirrelbaster; 03-05-2008 at 12:13 PM.

03-05-2008, 03:00 PM	#9
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,604	I just can't help it,those AK's just look so good! __________________ USAF '62-'66 "Big Business Trumps America!" Now THAT'S a legacy! .

03-05-2008, 03:10 PM	#10
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,382	Maybe it's just me, but that looks like your bolt carrier is canted to the right. Do the rails look like they're where they should be?... Is everything where it should be with the bolt and bolt carrier? I just hope it's something that isn't sitting right... otherwise, you're looking at some serious misalignment issues with the receiver and/or the bolt carrier. Could you get a picture looking down on the bolt carrier from the rear, left and right? That might give us an idea of whether there may be something slightly "off" with the position of the carrier. __________________

03-05-2008, 03:33 PM	#11
littlejoe872 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rockland County, NY Posts: 324	I took my receiver cover off, and put mine in the same configuration as you have yours in the pic with the bolt held open, and mine also has more space on the left than on the right, however, not as bad as yours. There is still space on the right on mine between the bolt carrier and the receiver. If your bolt carrier is aligned properly, maybe trying a new bolt carrier with the same bolt so as not to affect headspace would be in order. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-05-2008, 04:06 PM	#12
squirrelbaster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,712	the bolt carryer seems to be on there correct, and iv taken it apart a few times andputit back together. i guess it has to be that the bolt carryer is canted ot the right or that the gas cylender to the left. ill post some more pics with the bolt shut and open.

03-05-2008, 04:43 PM	#13
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,382	I just checked my AES-10 (Bought a Century (CAI) AES-10) which is kind of like a long-barreled WASR-10 and it's slightly off to the right when it's out also, but still has about 1-2mm of clearance. I noticed that on the right side of my bolt, it rubs just behind the hole for the pin that holds the bolt in... right after where it gets to the full diameter of the bolt. It appears that it rubs when it's entering and the black paint that was on it is coming off. I don't have any feeding or firing issues, though. From the way your's looks, it appears it's rubbing on the left side further back and I can't tell about the right side both because it's blurry and because it's in the receiver too far (probably a difference between the 7.62 and 5.45 models), where as mine 'hangs' on the hammer with a part of the piston showing. I'm wondering if, since your's seems to be canted a little further right than mine and littlejoe's, if it's not maybe hitting there, bouncing to the left and then making that rub mark on the left side further back. If it's hanging up a bit as it hits, that could be your feeding issue. I'm not sure if you'll be able to see it, but try pulling it back and releasing it a few times to see if you can notice if it's doing that (probably too fast... maybe use your camera to record a video and watch frame-by-frame?... I've done it before and can really help). Also, that bolt and bolt carrier need some love... there's rust forming around the bolt face and just above it. Some very light rubbing with 0000 steel wool and some oil are in order. The inside of that rifle looks pretty dry, have you oiled anything in there? __________________

03-05-2008, 04:59 PM	#14
squirrelbaster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,712	il try to getsome vidio of it and look frame by frame but ill have to figure out how first and thats not rust thats just the glare from my flash.

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