WHY?

Hahn · 03-15-2008, 02:08 PM

Why would anyone want to tact weld the end of my threaded barrel?
Sick joke? Didn't notice it when I bought this wasr. Suppose they put Lok-Tite on it too. Was there a reason for this? Maybe some sort legality involved? Can I grind to off? Might want to put a break on it some day.
Please help if you can.

SwedeSteve · 03-15-2008, 02:58 PM

What state do you live in? Did you buy it new or used?

just_a_car · 03-15-2008, 05:49 PM

My AES-10 came with that also (it's like a long-barreled WASR-10). I had to take a file to it and gently/carefully file it down until I could break it free. After I broke it free, I cleaned up the welded areas a bit more with the file and now I have a nice new flash hider on it!

GlockMeister · 03-15-2008, 05:51 PM

Your state may require it be permanently attached, as some do?

Hahn · 03-15-2008, 11:22 PM

Thanks for letting me know I was'nt alone w/welded muzzle. Oh.. I live in Montana. Usually fairly liberal gun laws. So far.
The gun store I bought my rifle from has all kinds of AKs and many of them have a variety of doo-dads hanging off the end of the barrels. I would'nt think grinding the weld off will be illegal. Any way to do good job on it though?..I don't get along w/wood..can't even build a bird house thats not condemned. I don't know about grinding metal could be castastrophic.
Yes....it's got to be Caveman easy.
please help.

GlockMeister · 03-15-2008, 11:55 PM

If you go to grind it off, go slow is all. You can always continue to take more off until it's off, but you can't really add any metal back to it and make it look good. Have confidence man. lol Gopher it. Or ask the dealer you got it from to take it off? Can't hurt to ask if they would and if they'd charge you or not and if so, how much? If you really want it off that is and are hesitant on doing it yourself.

SwedeSteve · 03-16-2008, 10:40 AM

Welcome to G&G hahn! Great advice from glock. Slow and easy gets it done!

meatloaf · 03-18-2008, 03:12 AM

a dremel with a thin grindingwheel works great. It should just be a small tack weld and the seemshould be visable to follow as a guide. Go slow with dont push on it let the dremmel do all the work. Mine had a tack weld on it also it was easy to cut off if you take your time it will look great.

also use a vice with a towel wrapped around the barrel (in the vice). Or have a freind hold it steady.

just_a_car · 03-18-2008, 06:38 AM

...personally, I just used a flat file to VERY slowly work off the weld. As I ground it off, I would take an adjustable wrench (as nothing in my metric nor 'standard' toolbox would fit the muzzle-nut) and try to move the nut. I just kept doing that until the weld broke and I removed the nut.... Then I cleaned up the weld down to where it was flush with the original metal.

Now I have a NoDak Spud "Tabuk Style Flash Hider" on my AES-10 and it looks awesome. I can't wait to parkerize it and put it back on, as it came "in the white".

Hahn · 03-18-2008, 11:04 PM

Thank you much all for your support. I'll give it a very slow try. Slow is one of my two speeds, the other is Stop. BTW..exactly what does a muzzle break actually do? Rather new to all of this. How does it effect anything?
Seems to me once the round if fired x ammount propellent gas is used up by piston tube for next round. Can there be that much residual energy to make a break necessary? Would sure like to know.

GlockMeister · 03-18-2008, 11:28 PM

Mainly, it reduces the felt recoil and muzzle flash is all. To further explain so you might understand it better, it could also be explained as kind of doing what a muffler does for a car, redirects the gases and lowers the sound a little bit.
If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me and then we'll both know.

rondog · 03-19-2008, 12:06 AM

Hahn says he's not good with wood or metal, so I'd recommend he stays away from Dremels! A cheap set of small files from Harbor Freight or similar, and patience, is all he needs.

just_a_car · 03-19-2008, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Mainly, it reduces the felt recoil and muzzle flash is all. To further explain so you might understand it better, it could also be explained as kind of doing what a muffler does for a car, redirects the gases and lowers the sound a little bit.
If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me and then we'll both know.

The part I've highlighted above is incorrect. A muzzlebreak with holes in it will usually make the sound louder. This is why the muzzlbreak on the CETME is lovingly termed the "Muzzle Blast-Enhancer".

A Flash Hider will reduce muzzle flash and blast (sound), but may not reduce recoil... some will.

The slant-cut breaks for AK-47's only reduce recoil by venting gas upwards to keep the muzzle on-target.

meatloaf · 03-19-2008, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rondog

Hahn says he's not good with wood or metal, so I'd recommend he stays away from Dremels! A cheap set of small files from Harbor Freight or similar, and patience, is all he needs.

True but I dont consider myself good either. A dremmel is what I had available to me. It took some encouragement to get me to use it, but I went slow and it worked rather easy.

mjames834 · 03-27-2008, 11:04 AM

Big dittos on the files. Gun shows & Harbor Freight have sets of jewelers' files. Get a set of standard & a set of the mini's. Some dealers at the shows have tons of tools to use on your firearms & not expensive. Like guns, you can't have enough tools.

03-15-2008, 02:08 PM	#1
Hahn Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 84 Trader Rating: (0)	WHY? Why would anyone want to tact weld the end of my threaded barrel? Sick joke? Didn't notice it when I bought this wasr. Suppose they put Lok-Tite on it too. Was there a reason for this? Maybe some sort legality involved? Can I grind to off? Might want to put a break on it some day. Please help if you can.

03-15-2008, 02:58 PM	#2
SwedeSteve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 8,822 Trader Rating: (0)	What state do you live in? Did you buy it new or used? __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-15-2008, 05:49 PM	#3
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,400 Trader Rating: (0)	My AES-10 came with that also (it's like a long-barreled WASR-10). I had to take a file to it and gently/carefully file it down until I could break it free. After I broke it free, I cleaned up the welded areas a bit more with the file and now I have a nice new flash hider on it! __________________

03-15-2008, 05:51 PM	#4
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,836 Trader Rating: (0)	Your state may require it be permanently attached, as some do? __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-15-2008, 11:55 PM	#6
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,836 Trader Rating: (0)	If you go to grind it off, go slow is all. You can always continue to take more off until it's off, but you can't really add any metal back to it and make it look good. Have confidence man. lol Gopher it. Or ask the dealer you got it from to take it off? Can't hurt to ask if they would and if they'd charge you or not and if so, how much? If you really want it off that is and are hesitant on doing it yourself. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-15-2008, 11:22 PM	#5
Hahn Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 84 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks for letting me know I was'nt alone w/welded muzzle. Oh.. I live in Montana. Usually fairly liberal gun laws. So far. The gun store I bought my rifle from has all kinds of AKs and many of them have a variety of doo-dads hanging off the end of the barrels. I would'nt think grinding the weld off will be illegal. Any way to do good job on it though?..I don't get along w/wood..can't even build a bird house thats not condemned. I don't know about grinding metal could be castastrophic. Yes....it's got to be Caveman easy. please help.

03-16-2008, 10:40 AM	#7
SwedeSteve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 8,822 Trader Rating: (0)	Welcome to G&G hahn! Great advice from glock. Slow and easy gets it done! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-18-2008, 03:12 AM	#8
meatloaf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lakewood CO Posts: 836 Trader Rating: (0)	a dremel with a thin grindingwheel works great. It should just be a small tack weld and the seemshould be visable to follow as a guide. Go slow with dont push on it let the dremmel do all the work. Mine had a tack weld on it also it was easy to cut off if you take your time it will look great. also use a vice with a towel wrapped around the barrel (in the vice). Or have a freind hold it steady.

03-18-2008, 06:38 AM	#9
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,400 Trader Rating: (0)	...personally, I just used a flat file to VERY slowly work off the weld. As I ground it off, I would take an adjustable wrench (as nothing in my metric nor 'standard' toolbox would fit the muzzle-nut) and try to move the nut. I just kept doing that until the weld broke and I removed the nut.... Then I cleaned up the weld down to where it was flush with the original metal. Now I have a NoDak Spud "Tabuk Style Flash Hider" on my AES-10 and it looks awesome. I can't wait to parkerize it and put it back on, as it came "in the white". __________________

03-18-2008, 11:04 PM	#10
Hahn Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 84 Trader Rating: (0)	Thank you much all for your support. I'll give it a very slow try. Slow is one of my two speeds, the other is Stop. BTW..exactly what does a muzzle break actually do? Rather new to all of this. How does it effect anything? Seems to me once the round if fired x ammount propellent gas is used up by piston tube for next round. Can there be that much residual energy to make a break necessary? Would sure like to know.

03-18-2008, 11:28 PM	#11
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,836 Trader Rating: (0)	Mainly, it reduces the felt recoil and muzzle flash is all. To further explain so you might understand it better, it could also be explained as kind of doing what a muffler does for a car, redirects the gases and lowers the sound a little bit. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me and then we'll both know. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-19-2008, 12:06 AM	#12
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 1,223 Trader Rating: (0)	Hahn says he's not good with wood or metal, so I'd recommend he stays away from Dremels! A cheap set of small files from Harbor Freight or similar, and patience, is all he needs.

03-27-2008, 11:04 AM	#15
mjames834 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0)	Big dittos on the files. Gun shows & Harbor Freight have sets of jewelers' files. Get a set of standard & a set of the mini's. Some dealers at the shows have tons of tools to use on your firearms & not expensive. Like guns, you can't have enough tools.