Could yall please educate me?

mhanna91 · 07-03-2008, 09:35 PM

Hows it goin?
OK. I want a high power semi auto rifle that is somewhat accurate. I was thinking about the AK47. I am not really up on them, but I know that there are lots of different models available. I want to know what to look for when I go to buy one, just so that I don't end up with a Chinese one or something. Until I read the sticky, I never knew that they came chambered in anything other that 7.62x39, but I figure that is the only thing I will be able to find. I live in Indiana and my local Dunham's Sporting Goods has them for $350 or $400, can't quite remember. What is the going rate for one in average condition? I'll probably end up getting one at the gun show, so mabey the pricing will be a little more cost-friendly there.
Please let me know what to look for. I don't want anything that is rare and sought after, just a lower-cost rifle that will be reliable and fun to shoot.
Thanks.

GlockMeister · 07-03-2008, 09:54 PM

What do you want it for? Hunting? Target? personal or home defense? SHTF? What is the main reason you're wanting one. Decide that and it will reduce how many you'll have to choose from.

If you want something fun and cheap to shoot, then get a .22. Low cost for both the rifle and the ammo. Good for target and some smaller varmints, rabbit, etc.etc.etc.

The AK your Dunham's has is more than likely a WASR10 for that price. If that's what you go with, look for canted front sight or gas tube. Educate yourself here about that stuff.
Romanian Kalashnikov Rifles

Another good one that's reasonably priced, ammo is readily available, same ammo as the AK as a matter of fact and you can still find un-issued ones, and a BLAST to shoot, is the Yugo model 59/66 SKS in 7.62X39.
See here:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/sks/carbine/index.asp

mhanna91 · 07-03-2008, 09:58 PM

I want it mainly for target shooting. I can't really see anything with that much power being practical for home defense, but I suppose it would do. I want a 7.62x39.

Rex Kramer · 07-03-2008, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhanna91

I want to know what to look for when I go to buy one, just so that I don't end up with a Chinese one or something.

We wouldn't let something like that happen

Irishman · 07-03-2008, 10:30 PM

GunBroker.com guns: Egyptian Maadi ARM AKM AK-47 AK47 (item: 103773488 ends: Jul-09-08 12:20:08 AM)

Keep an eye on this.

Irish

Irishman · 07-03-2008, 10:33 PM

GunBroker.com guns: Egyptian Maadi 7.62x39 AK47 - Trades Wanted (item: 103845227 ends: Jul-09-08 08:50:09 PM)

This one too.

ARM and PARS are the ones to look for, stay away frrom the MISRs.

Irish

Cyrano · 07-03-2008, 10:36 PM

If you're after something in 7.62x39 that can shoot straight, either get a Saiga or an SKS, not an AK. The Saigas are built for the civilian market and while they have an operating system in common with the AK, are built better and shoot straighter.

In my opinion, you'd do better to buy an SKS rated NRA Excellent, clean the cosmoline off it (there is a sticky in the Mosin forum to tell you how), and learn to shoot it. The SKS is dead simple to maintain, shoots the same ammo as the AK, and is a true rifle, not an assault rifle. At the moment Yugoslavian M59/66 SKS rifles with the built-in grenade launcher are going for around $200, give or take $50. If you want to make it look less menacing, undo one screw, remove the bayonet and replace it with a purpose-made bipod. There are also lots of aftermarket accessories including scope mounts, scopes, and sporter stocks available.

http://www.classicarms.us/index.html

http://www.netstores.com/dwos-bin/proc_srch.pl

http://www.jgsales.com/advanced_sear...sort/3a/page/2

http://www.militarygunsupply.com/sho...roducts_id=208

Irishman · 07-03-2008, 10:37 PM

GunBroker.com guns: vepr 7.62x39 not polytech ak47 or norinco rare (item: 103581531 ends: Jul-06-08 09:49:06 PM)

If you can swing the bucks this will be the finest rifle your budgeted wallet will buy. Short of a Valmet.

Irish

Irishman · 07-03-2008, 10:48 PM

GunBroker.com guns: Yugo M70 B1 AK-47 7.62x39 Wood AK47 (item: 103922425 ends: Jul-10-08 04

00 PM)

Irish

Irishman · 07-03-2008, 10:51 PM

GunBroker.com guns: FEG Hungarian SA 85m AK Rifle, 7.62x39, MINT, NR (item: 103778898 ends: Jul-09-08 09

26 AM)

Pricey but very nice.

Scott

Irishman · 07-03-2008, 10:53 PM

GunBroker.com guns: Hungarian SA-85M SA85M FEG made AK-47 excellent (item: 103755438 ends: Jul-11-08 08

05 PM)

You better jump on this post haste.

Scott

SPOCAHP ANAR · 07-03-2008, 11:00 PM

How about an SKS Yugo?; they are usually 150$ at the gun shows and are better made than the AK rifles and I believe them to be more accurate.

They also shoot 7.62 x 39.

Irishman · 07-03-2008, 11:04 PM

You guys have got to stop feeding on each others ignorance. SAIGAs ARE AKs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And where's this idea that Chinese make junk anyway? I have several and all are of good quality.

Stay away from the MISRs as they are a combination of Chinese parts kits built on Maadi receivers, mostly the concern of mine is the sleeved barrels. Chinese are 19mm and Maadi trunnions are 23mm. Not to mention they are not complete factory guns. Link-

http://home.comcast.net/~jfreeman16/page_4.htm

Here's my milled MAK90, I make my own stocks, teak.

Irish

GlockMeister · 07-03-2008, 11:20 PM

Damn Irish, I think I might have to keep an eye/my eye on a few of those Maadis. lol

Irishman · 07-03-2008, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Damn Irish, I think I might have to keep an eye/my eye on a few of those Maadis. lol

They are quality rifles and some of the best deals now. I need to scrape some cash and get one. Every time I go looking I have other projects going.

I've got a Yugo M72 and a custom full stock AMD65 waiting on me to build.

Irish

GlockMeister · 07-03-2008, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irishman

They are quality rifles and some of the best deals now. I need to scrape some cash and get one. Every time I go looking I have other projects going.

I've got a Yugo M72 and a custom full stock AMD65 waiting on me to build.

Irish

I know, when I found the Romanian SKS, they also had one of those Maadi's. It was in on consignment, but the guy wanted like $650 for it. He's since reduced it. I don't remember to what, but not worth it to me unless he brings it down to $300-350. The Gas tube and FSB were/are canted, and big time to me... SO I PASSED!

Windwalker · 07-04-2008, 06:33 AM

Nice rifle, Irish.

ttwinsupra · 07-04-2008, 11:49 AM

chinese make some of best aks if you can do it get one or check the yugo m70 about half the price and realy no near bottom of the line ak

knightRider · 07-04-2008, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex Kramer

We wouldn't let something like that happen

funny .

mhanna91 · 07-05-2008, 03:22 PM

I suppose the only reason I want to stay away from the chinese model is because I think I read that the reciever is stamped sheet metal instead of machined. My dad has an SKS, the only thing about that is that it only holds 5 shots. I've seen the 30 rd mags for it, but I don't know how much I would have to do to the gun to make them work. Also, The AK is an all around cool gun. They have to be one of the most reliable combat guns around judging from how lots of the foreign forces use them.

07-03-2008, 09:35 PM	#1
mhanna91 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 18 Trader Rating: (0)	Could yall please educate me? Hows it goin? OK. I want a high power semi auto rifle that is somewhat accurate. I was thinking about the AK47. I am not really up on them, but I know that there are lots of different models available. I want to know what to look for when I go to buy one, just so that I don't end up with a Chinese one or something. Until I read the sticky, I never knew that they came chambered in anything other that 7.62x39, but I figure that is the only thing I will be able to find. I live in Indiana and my local Dunham's Sporting Goods has them for $350 or $400, can't quite remember. What is the going rate for one in average condition? I'll probably end up getting one at the gun show, so mabey the pricing will be a little more cost-friendly there. Please let me know what to look for. I don't want anything that is rare and sought after, just a lower-cost rifle that will be reliable and fun to shoot. Thanks.

07-03-2008, 09:54 PM	#2
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,836 Trader Rating: (0)	What do you want it for? Hunting? Target? personal or home defense? SHTF? What is the main reason you're wanting one. Decide that and it will reduce how many you'll have to choose from. If you want something fun and cheap to shoot, then get a .22. Low cost for both the rifle and the ammo. Good for target and some smaller varmints, rabbit, etc.etc.etc. The AK your Dunham's has is more than likely a WASR10 for that price. If that's what you go with, look for canted front sight or gas tube. Educate yourself here about that stuff. Romanian Kalashnikov Rifles Another good one that's reasonably priced, ammo is readily available, same ammo as the AK as a matter of fact and you can still find un-issued ones, and a BLAST to shoot, is the Yugo model 59/66 SKS in 7.62X39. See here: http://www.surplusrifle.com/sks/carbine/index.asp __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

07-03-2008, 10:36 PM	#7
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 1,869 Trader Rating: (0)	If you're after something in 7.62x39 that can shoot straight, either get a Saiga or an SKS, not an AK. The Saigas are built for the civilian market and while they have an operating system in common with the AK, are built better and shoot straighter. In my opinion, you'd do better to buy an SKS rated NRA Excellent, clean the cosmoline off it (there is a sticky in the Mosin forum to tell you how), and learn to shoot it. The SKS is dead simple to maintain, shoots the same ammo as the AK, and is a true rifle, not an assault rifle. At the moment Yugoslavian M59/66 SKS rifles with the built-in grenade launcher are going for around $200, give or take $50. If you want to make it look less menacing, undo one screw, remove the bayonet and replace it with a purpose-made bipod. There are also lots of aftermarket accessories including scope mounts, scopes, and sporter stocks available. http://www.classicarms.us/index.html http://www.netstores.com/dwos-bin/proc_srch.pl http://www.jgsales.com/advanced_sear...sort/3a/page/2 http://www.militarygunsupply.com/sho...roducts_id=208 Last edited by Cyrano; 07-03-2008 at 10:49 PM. Reason: Add listings for SKS pricing

07-03-2008, 10:48 PM	#9
Irishman Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Parrottsville TN Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0)	GunBroker.com guns: Yugo M70 B1 AK-47 7.62x39 Wood AK47 (item: 103922425 ends: Jul-10-08 0400 PM) Irish

07-03-2008, 10:51 PM	#10
Irishman Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Parrottsville TN Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0)	GunBroker.com guns: FEG Hungarian SA 85m AK Rifle, 7.62x39, MINT, NR (item: 103778898 ends: Jul-09-08 0926 AM) Pricey but very nice. Scott

07-03-2008, 09:58 PM	#3
mhanna91 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 18 Trader Rating: (0)	I want it mainly for target shooting. I can't really see anything with that much power being practical for home defense, but I suppose it would do. I want a 7.62x39.

07-03-2008, 10:30 PM	#5
Irishman Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Parrottsville TN Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0)	GunBroker.com guns: Egyptian Maadi ARM AKM AK-47 AK47 (item: 103773488 ends: Jul-09-08 12:20:08 AM) Keep an eye on this. Irish

07-03-2008, 10:33 PM	#6
Irishman Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Parrottsville TN Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0)	GunBroker.com guns: Egyptian Maadi 7.62x39 AK47 - Trades Wanted (item: 103845227 ends: Jul-09-08 08:50:09 PM) This one too. ARM and PARS are the ones to look for, stay away frrom the MISRs. Irish

07-03-2008, 10:37 PM	#8
Irishman Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Parrottsville TN Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0)	GunBroker.com guns: vepr 7.62x39 not polytech ak47 or norinco rare (item: 103581531 ends: Jul-06-08 09:49:06 PM) If you can swing the bucks this will be the finest rifle your budgeted wallet will buy. Short of a Valmet. Irish

07-03-2008, 10:53 PM	#11
Irishman Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Parrottsville TN Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0)	GunBroker.com guns: Hungarian SA-85M SA85M FEG made AK-47 excellent (item: 103755438 ends: Jul-11-08 0805 PM) You better jump on this post haste. Scott

07-03-2008, 11:00 PM	#12
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,022 Trader Rating: (0)	How about an SKS Yugo?; they are usually 150$ at the gun shows and are better made than the AK rifles and I believe them to be more accurate. They also shoot 7.62 x 39. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

07-03-2008, 11:04 PM	#13
Irishman Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Parrottsville TN Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0)	You guys have got to stop feeding on each others ignorance. SAIGAs ARE AKs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And where's this idea that Chinese make junk anyway? I have several and all are of good quality. Stay away from the MISRs as they are a combination of Chinese parts kits built on Maadi receivers, mostly the concern of mine is the sleeved barrels. Chinese are 19mm and Maadi trunnions are 23mm. Not to mention they are not complete factory guns. Link- http://home.comcast.net/~jfreeman16/page_4.htm Here's my milled MAK90, I make my own stocks, teak. Irish Last edited by Irishman; 07-03-2008 at 11:08 PM.

07-03-2008, 11:20 PM	#14
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 4,836 Trader Rating: (0)	Damn Irish, I think I might have to keep an eye/my eye on a few of those Maadis. lol __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

07-04-2008, 06:33 AM	#17
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,199 Trader Rating: (0)	Nice rifle, Irish. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

07-04-2008, 11:49 AM	#18
ttwinsupra Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 141 Trader Rating: (0)	chinese make some of best aks if you can do it get one or check the yugo m70 about half the price and realy no near bottom of the line ak

07-05-2008, 03:22 PM	#20
mhanna91 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 18 Trader Rating: (0)	I suppose the only reason I want to stay away from the chinese model is because I think I read that the reciever is stamped sheet metal instead of machined. My dad has an SKS, the only thing about that is that it only holds 5 shots. I've seen the 30 rd mags for it, but I don't know how much I would have to do to the gun to make them work. Also, The AK is an all around cool gun. They have to be one of the most reliable combat guns around judging from how lots of the foreign forces use them.