An idea

sv_libertarian · 08-11-2008, 02:23 AM

Probably has been done before, but here goes.

A friend of mine will have access to a bending jig soon, and I plan to bend at least one receiver, mebbe several. That said, I want an AK pistol in 7.62x39, although I want to make it a bit different than most that I have seen.

First off (assuming this is legal) I want a forward pistol grip. I live in Washington state, so no silly state regs, and I'm 99% certain that is federally legal, but not positive.

Then I want a 12" barrel with muzzle break and bayonet lug.

Pretty much building this for the heck of it.

Thoughts?

Mooseman684 · 08-11-2008, 02:28 AM

It is 100% ILLEGAL to have a forward Grip on a Pistol, Unless it is registered as an AOW with BATFE...When I built My AMD AK pistol, I had to weld a plate over the forward Grip slot to make it Legal.
You MUST also have a rear Trunnion that Cannot take any kind of stock....Otherwise it is again considered a Short Barreled rifle and must Be registered with the Feds as an AOW.
Rich

sv_libertarian · 08-11-2008, 03:16 AM

Thanks for the info, it seems I was given some misinformation...

Mooseman684 · 08-11-2008, 03:49 AM

Evidently !!!
Rich

SwedeSteve · 08-11-2008, 04:02 AM

Ditto on what Moose said !! You did good to ask here sv l !! I want a pistol aw well, but I gotta save for it.

sv_libertarian · 08-11-2008, 11:39 AM

Yah know, I'm not opposed to creating a registered AOW just to get what I want. I may have to bend up a couple of receivers when I get the chance and send in the paperwork for an AOW. Now correct me if I'm wrong again please, but an AOW is a $5 tax stamp, while a destructive device is the $200 stamp?

Gotta admit, a forward pistol grip AK pistol is tantalizing enough to me, where I would be willing to register it as an AOW...

just_a_car · 08-25-2008, 08:12 AM

Yes, SV, AOW's are $5 while SBR's, SBS's, Sound Suppressors, and Machine Guns are all $200 tax stamps.

I'd just go for the basic pistol, man. Too much hassle to go with the foregrip.

nathangdad · 08-25-2008, 08:23 AM

I fear you are oversimplifying the metal work. Others have addressed the legal point. Guns are not created just by bending the receiver. A receiver is, even in a basic design, a thing of strict dimentions and tempering.

Should you wish to go forward with this project I advise you to talk it over with a good gunsmith or at least visit a metal fab shop in your area.

08-11-2008, 02:23 AM	#1
sv_libertarian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 405	An idea Probably has been done before, but here goes. A friend of mine will have access to a bending jig soon, and I plan to bend at least one receiver, mebbe several. That said, I want an AK pistol in 7.62x39, although I want to make it a bit different than most that I have seen. First off (assuming this is legal) I want a forward pistol grip. I live in Washington state, so no silly state regs, and I'm 99% certain that is federally legal, but not positive. Then I want a 12" barrel with muzzle break and bayonet lug. Pretty much building this for the heck of it. Thoughts?

08-11-2008, 02:28 AM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 11,305 Images: 2	It is 100% ILLEGAL to have a forward Grip on a Pistol, Unless it is registered as an AOW with BATFE...When I built My AMD AK pistol, I had to weld a plate over the forward Grip slot to make it Legal. You MUST also have a rear Trunnion that Cannot take any kind of stock....Otherwise it is again considered a Short Barreled rifle and must Be registered with the Feds as an AOW. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

08-11-2008, 03:49 AM	#4
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 11,305 Images: 2	Evidently !!! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

08-11-2008, 04:02 AM	#5
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 23,545 Images: 1	Ditto on what Moose said !! You did good to ask here sv l !! I want a pistol aw well, but I gotta save for it. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

08-25-2008, 08:12 AM	#7
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 4,091	Yes, SV, AOW's are $5 while SBR's, SBS's, Sound Suppressors, and Machine Guns are all $200 tax stamps. I'd just go for the basic pistol, man. Too much hassle to go with the foregrip. __________________ B.S. Chemistry UofWA '09 CETME Owners - Founder AK-47 owners - Member The Mosin Men - Member

08-11-2008, 03:16 AM	#3
sv_libertarian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 405	Thanks for the info, it seems I was given some misinformation...

08-11-2008, 11:39 AM	#6
sv_libertarian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 405	Yah know, I'm not opposed to creating a registered AOW just to get what I want. I may have to bend up a couple of receivers when I get the chance and send in the paperwork for an AOW. Now correct me if I'm wrong again please, but an AOW is a $5 tax stamp, while a destructive device is the $200 stamp? Gotta admit, a forward pistol grip AK pistol is tantalizing enough to me, where I would be willing to register it as an AOW...

08-25-2008, 08:23 AM	#8
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,164	Metal work I fear you are oversimplifying the metal work. Others have addressed the legal point. Guns are not created just by bending the receiver. A receiver is, even in a basic design, a thing of strict dimentions and tempering. Should you wish to go forward with this project I advise you to talk it over with a good gunsmith or at least visit a metal fab shop in your area.