Full Auto

ttwinsupra · 08-13-2008, 07:49 PM

that is so lame, file the sear and its full auto but it keeps fireing till the mag is out!! who would do that!? what can you do with a gun like that, you got one chance to get something lol
also what if someone modified something single shot to semi-auto? is that illegal?

Otter · 08-13-2008, 08:09 PM

To answer the question, the hammer will follow the bolt, it will blow a short burst and stop fireing with the hammer down. A semi auto has a disconnector to catch the hammer when the bolt brings the hammer back, when you release the trigger the sear catches the hammer and the disconnector releases the hammer. Trigger jobs and screwing with the sear can lead to dangerous conditions. I had a friend who did a trigger modification on his AR15, which had a National Match parts set in it. When he tried to lighten my trigger pull he took down the disconnector. I wasn't watching him, when I caught what he did I tested the action. I found that the disconnector didn't work properly. I loaded 3 rounds into a magazine, we went outside and pointed the AR into the swimming pool. I squeezed off one round, when I released the trigger I blew off the other two rounds from the magazine. Imagine how dangerous that could have been with a 30 round Mag in place! I promply removed the disconnector and cut it in half with a dremmel tool and tossed it in the trash. Somewhere in the forum there are pictures of the different parts between the M16 & AR15, tolerances are very exact to function properly. I've never screwed with an AK, but I'm sure it works much the same as any other selective fire.

Diatribes · 08-14-2008, 09:33 AM

As far as I know, AK's are built on the same reciever being semi-auto or full auto. AR-15s are made to be semi-auto only, correct?

Talking about moding an AK-47 is stupid beyond reason. Especially since you can buy the parts legally. You just cant install them in a gun legally.

knightRider · 08-14-2008, 09:45 AM

get one legally like me.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 08-14-2008, 12:00 PM

Actually it is pretty simple to make a true full auto SKS. If you only file down the sear you make a SLAM fire SKS. It involves more than just filing the sear but it can be done in an afternoon.

knightRider · 08-14-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by squirrelbaster

^ i think you meant to say police military and knightrider!

thanks i know thats what he meant also.

knightRider · 08-14-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zephri

You do realize that most full autos also have a semi auto mode which saves ammo, right?

my full auto ac556 also has 3 shot burst . but what cyrano missed is with a little practice <200 rounds or so.> you can learn how to control your full auto.

knightRider · 08-14-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano

Mucking about with the innards of a semi-auto firearm is best left to professional gunsmiths. They know what they are doing. And no ethical 'smith would do something as stupid as filing the sear in an attempt to turn a semi-auto into a full-auto!

If you feel you absolutely have to have a full auto gun, and you are willing to put up with the BATFE intruding into your life to get one - one of the rules on full auto gives the BATFE the right to knock on your door at any time, without a warrant, and ask to see the gun to confirm you still have it - go ahead and get yourself the appropriate license and pay the $200 tax stamp per full auto gun you have to pay to get your hands on it. Quite aside from the problem of keeping one fed - a Thompson, for example, can go through a case of .45 ACP in one minute, and the last time I bought a case of 230 grain .45 ACP it cost $120 or so - there is the initial outlay. Prices vary by make and model and age, but suffice it to say they cost enough you can buy a used car for that kind of loot. You could go broke buying the gun and shooting enough ammo to learn how to use it well! Full autos are very definitely a rich man's game. And you have to have written permission from the BATFE to take the thing out of state. Why do you think most of the people who own them are either millionaires or reenactors, or both?

The bottom line is that full autos are best left to the police and the military. At least they don't have to pay for their ammo!

your right some what and off some what . you couldn't shoot a case of 45acp in one min since mags have a 32 and 100 round capacity . a few minutes though and my ac556 tears through a 1000 rounds ! lol WHAT FUN IT IS !!

Zephri · 08-14-2008, 03:22 PM

I must say KnightRider where is you're money tree?

doctor rizz · 08-14-2008, 09:05 PM

I wish a had a lot of money to get a Class 3 but I wold buy a tank if a was rich. Talk to your buddies and they say "Yeah, I just got a Hummer with 22 on it". Then I say "Yeah I just got some sweet tracks." Pull up to the Grammy's in a tank! Awesome!

knightRider · 08-15-2008, 10:20 AM

yeah ok ......

Otter · 08-15-2008, 12:57 PM

The receivers have to be different, otherwise you could put the selective fire parts into the semi auto receiver. Even when selective fire weapons are converted to semi auto only, the receivers have to be registered, as is the case when the Army gives M16 rifles to the state police. The ATF has a list of serial numbers for the weapons, even though they only fire semi auto, and can be converted back to selective fire by changing the selector and replacing the auto sear.

DanTN · 08-24-2008, 11:02 PM

I am not a millionaire and enjoy shooting my machine gun. I have never heard of the ATF knocking on someones doors to see an NFA weapon and have several friends who have owned machine guns and silencers for 22 years. First of all, they do not have the manpower or time. My machine gun of choice is the 22 cal (hence, inexpensive to shoot) American 180 which can empty a 275 round drum magazine in 11 seconds and chip a hole you can crawl through in a cinder block wall. Quite a blast to shoot, probably the last gun I would ever sell. 5,000 rounds for $120 is a lot of fun for not much $ to play with a machine gun for a while............another note: I paid $8500 for my legal transferable American 180 last November, it is now worth $10.5k minimum, if you can find one...........to own a machine gun legally, subguns.com is the place to start, then find a Class III dealer near you and read your State laws.

meatloaf · 08-25-2008, 01:22 AM

I thought discussion about illegal modifications is a NO NO.

08-13-2008, 08:09 PM	#22
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 992 Images: 6	To answer the question, the hammer will follow the bolt, it will blow a short burst and stop fireing with the hammer down. A semi auto has a disconnector to catch the hammer when the bolt brings the hammer back, when you release the trigger the sear catches the hammer and the disconnector releases the hammer. Trigger jobs and screwing with the sear can lead to dangerous conditions. I had a friend who did a trigger modification on his AR15, which had a National Match parts set in it. When he tried to lighten my trigger pull he took down the disconnector. I wasn't watching him, when I caught what he did I tested the action. I found that the disconnector didn't work properly. I loaded 3 rounds into a magazine, we went outside and pointed the AR into the swimming pool. I squeezed off one round, when I released the trigger I blew off the other two rounds from the magazine. Imagine how dangerous that could have been with a 30 round Mag in place! I promply removed the disconnector and cut it in half with a dremmel tool and tossed it in the trash. Somewhere in the forum there are pictures of the different parts between the M16 & AR15, tolerances are very exact to function properly. I've never screwed with an AK, but I'm sure it works much the same as any other selective fire. __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously. Last edited by Otter; 08-13-2008 at 08:14 PM.

08-14-2008, 09:33 AM	#23
Diatribes Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 400	As far as I know, AK's are built on the same reciever being semi-auto or full auto. AR-15s are made to be semi-auto only, correct? Talking about moding an AK-47 is stupid beyond reason. Especially since you can buy the parts legally. You just cant install them in a gun legally. Last edited by Diatribes; 08-14-2008 at 09:38 AM.

08-14-2008, 09:45 AM	#24
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 3,777 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 17	get one legally like me. __________________ God doesn't give rights. Men have to fight for them.

08-14-2008, 12:00 PM	#25
Capt'n Mil Coll Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 3,390 Images: 45	Actually it is pretty simple to make a true full auto SKS. If you only file down the sear you make a SLAM fire SKS. It involves more than just filing the sear but it can be done in an afternoon. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

08-14-2008, 03:22 PM	#29
Zephri Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN. "The city where nothing happens." Posts: 1,210 Blog Entries: 6	I must say KnightRider where is you're money tree? __________________ "All rifles need a sharp pointy object on the end!"

08-13-2008, 07:49 PM	#21
ttwinsupra Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 357	that is so lame, file the sear and its full auto but it keeps fireing till the mag is out!! who would do that!? what can you do with a gun like that, you got one chance to get something lol also what if someone modified something single shot to semi-auto? is that illegal?

08-14-2008, 09:05 PM	#30
doctor rizz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Columbus, Mississippi Posts: 140	I wish a had a lot of money to get a Class 3 but I wold buy a tank if a was rich. Talk to your buddies and they say "Yeah, I just got a Hummer with 22 on it". Then I say "Yeah I just got some sweet tracks." Pull up to the Grammy's in a tank! Awesome!

08-15-2008, 10:20 AM	#31
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 3,777 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 17	yeah ok ...... __________________ God doesn't give rights. Men have to fight for them.

08-15-2008, 12:57 PM	#32
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 992 Images: 6	The receivers have to be different, otherwise you could put the selective fire parts into the semi auto receiver. Even when selective fire weapons are converted to semi auto only, the receivers have to be registered, as is the case when the Army gives M16 rifles to the state police. The ATF has a list of serial numbers for the weapons, even though they only fire semi auto, and can be converted back to selective fire by changing the selector and replacing the auto sear. __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously.

08-24-2008, 11:02 PM	#33
DanTN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 7	Full auto - Buy a 22 cal machine gun I am not a millionaire and enjoy shooting my machine gun. I have never heard of the ATF knocking on someones doors to see an NFA weapon and have several friends who have owned machine guns and silencers for 22 years. First of all, they do not have the manpower or time. My machine gun of choice is the 22 cal (hence, inexpensive to shoot) American 180 which can empty a 275 round drum magazine in 11 seconds and chip a hole you can crawl through in a cinder block wall. Quite a blast to shoot, probably the last gun I would ever sell. 5,000 rounds for $120 is a lot of fun for not much $ to play with a machine gun for a while............another note: I paid $8500 for my legal transferable American 180 last November, it is now worth $10.5k minimum, if you can find one...........to own a machine gun legally, subguns.com is the place to start, then find a Class III dealer near you and read your State laws.

08-25-2008, 01:22 AM	#34
meatloaf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lakewood CO Posts: 953 Images: 3	I thought discussion about illegal modifications is a NO NO.