Full Auto

marinevet1010 · 08-13-2008, 02:38 PM

I heard somewhere if you file down the sear of a semi-auto gun, it will be full auto. So I'm wondering (I really am just wondering, I have no intent on illegally converting any firearm to full-auto) if the gun would be full-auto only or a select fire gun? If it is full-auto only, how do select fire guns work? Thanks!

Deersniper · 08-13-2008, 02:44 PM

A good rule of thumb is to never modify the angles of the sear. If it malfunctions at a range and they report you.... big trouble.

jmp8927 · 08-13-2008, 02:44 PM

It would be permanently full auto and you would spend 10+ years and pay a rather large fine behind bars if you're lucky. Select fire is accomplished by adding some parts. I don't know enough about it to know how it works. I've been told before, but I forgot the details. Something to do(In an AK-47) with another pin through the receiver with a catch on it that allows the sear to not catch the hammer until you let off the trigger. But I'm probably mistaken. I personally have never seen the point in a fully automatic rifle other than a heavy support weapon. A two or three shot burst would be interesting though...but I've never heard of one of those on an AK-47.

Oh btw, I think this should be in the class III area, so a mod might want to move it?

SilverRun · 08-13-2008, 02:45 PM

I am thinking it would be full auto only. But, don't even think about doing it...

musicmaniac · 08-13-2008, 02:47 PM

Another question to toos out there too. Hypothetically, if you did file down the sear and it did turn it into a full auto, would it stop firing once you let off the trigger OR would it fire in full auto until the entire mag was empty?

jmp8927 · 08-13-2008, 02:54 PM

...you're awfully curious about this.

musicmaniac · 08-13-2008, 03:14 PM

I hope you don't mean me JMP. I am curious about all things to do with firearms! I don't want a full auto by any means! I couldn't afford to feed one! HAHA!

paparoach429 · 08-13-2008, 03:17 PM

i dont know some of you guys dont want to talk about full auto... i meen its just talk. whats the worst that could happen? as long as nobody comes out and says "im gonna make my gun fully auto" talking about it should be fine

GlockMeister · 08-13-2008, 03:24 PM

Well, it is illegal to alter a firearm from semi-to full auto. If losing your right to bear arms forever, paying a fine, going to jail and all the rest, then sure, go ahead. lol

But know you've been warned.

I don't mind talking about full auto. But talking about altering a gun to shoot full auto, yes, that is one subject I try to avoid, for obvious reasons....

By the way, just talking about it does/can raise "RED" flags and could affect the site or future of the site it's being discussed on. Especially if from talking about it, one from that site, based on what they are or were told at or from that site, tries it and either hurts themselves or someone else or actually gets it to shoot full auto.

jmp8927 · 08-13-2008, 03:45 PM

^ Exactly.

samuel · 08-13-2008, 03:55 PM

If the sear wears or you file it(same thing)the firearm will fire until it is empty,you can't stop it.Select fire is set up so it will lock the sear with the trigger back and when you let the trigger up it works again. sam.

M14man · 08-13-2008, 03:58 PM

I have a class 3 gun, a legal one. First, filing down a sear on most guns will not make it go full auto. The hammer follows the bolt home and does not have enough umph to detonate the primer. By design the firing pin can be struck only when the bolt is locked into position. By riding the bolt it never gets a chance to strike the firingpin with force.If it would, it would be dangerous since the detonation would occur BEFORE the bolt was properly locked. In a regular full auto there is a lever that is tripped by the bolt and then it rotates and releases the sear after the bolt is locked. This lever is moved out of the way via a switch when in semi, so it does not then trip the sear.
The making of a full auto gun is illegal, and guns can no longer be altered to FA status. Too many people get bored and tinker only to be reported to law enforcement when their gun goes full auto at the range. Inspection would show it was altered and you would be a felon, jailed, and lose all gun rights for-ever.

M14man · 08-13-2008, 04:03 PM

Musicman, though a filed sear would not make a gun FA, see explanation, The sear would no longer catch the hammer and the gun won't operate as a semi auto either.The hammer would be down and you could not cock the gun, the sear would not hold the hammer back.

musicmaniac · 08-13-2008, 04:11 PM

Thank you M14man. As I previously stated, I have ABSOLUTELY no intention of trying to convert anything into a fully automatic weapon. Come to think of it, since I sold my Yugo SKS, I don't even own a semi-auto rifle. They are all bolts. Haha! Actually, that is kind of sad. Time for a 10/22 or something as soon as money comes available. Who knows how long that may be though. And in regards to Glock Meister and JMP, I couldn't agree more about people not trying to convert anything to FA. I just am very mechanically minded and like to know how things work and WHY they work that way. I have noticed, and I know you have too GM, that at the top of some threads there is a disclaimer stating that any info in that thread is for informational purposes only and so on. Maybe something like that needs to be on this thread?

gunnut2 · 08-13-2008, 04:18 PM

How many times does it have to be said that it is illegal? I think we all know that. Don't think that there aren't any full autos out there illegaly, there are around a dozen within a 10 mile radius of where I live.

squirrelblaster · 08-13-2008, 04:20 PM

hey gunnut, i im not sure aware of this but it is illegal to make a semi -auto into a full auto...it will land you in jail for like 10+ years.....just hought youd like to know.

gunnut2 · 08-13-2008, 04:21 PM

I am fully aware of the law, but thanks anyway.

Cyrano · 08-13-2008, 04:40 PM

Mucking about with the innards of a semi-auto firearm is best left to professional gunsmiths. They know what they are doing. And no ethical 'smith would do something as stupid as filing the sear in an attempt to turn a semi-auto into a full-auto!

If you feel you absolutely have to have a full auto gun, and you are willing to put up with the BATFE intruding into your life to get one - one of the rules on full auto gives the BATFE the right to knock on your door at any time, without a warrant, and ask to see the gun to confirm you still have it - go ahead and get yourself the appropriate license and pay the $200 tax stamp per full auto gun you have to pay to get your hands on it. Quite aside from the problem of keeping one fed - a Thompson, for example, can go through a case of .45 ACP in one minute, and the last time I bought a case of 230 grain .45 ACP it cost $120 or so - there is the initial outlay. Prices vary by make and model and age, but suffice it to say they cost enough you can buy a used car for that kind of loot. You could go broke buying the gun and shooting enough ammo to learn how to use it well! Full autos are very definitely a rich man's game. And you have to have written permission from the BATFE to take the thing out of state. Why do you think most of the people who own them are either millionaires or reenactors, or both?

The bottom line is that full autos are best left to the police and the military. At least they don't have to pay for their ammo!

squirrelblaster · 08-13-2008, 04:42 PM

^ i think you meant to say police military and knightrider!

Zephri · 08-13-2008, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrano

Mucking about with the innards of a semi-auto firearm is best left to professional gunsmiths. They know what they are doing. And no ethical 'smith would do something as stupid as filing the sear in an attempt to turn a semi-auto into a full-auto!

If you feel you absolutely have to have a full auto gun, and you are willing to put up with the BATFE intruding into your life to get one - one of the rules on full auto gives the BATFE the right to knock on your door at any time, without a warrant, and ask to see the gun to confirm you still have it - go ahead and get yourself the appropriate license and pay the $200 tax stamp per full auto gun you have to pay to get your hands on it. Quite aside from the problem of keeping one fed - a Thompson, for example, can go through a case of .45 ACP in one minute, and the last time I bought a case of 230 grain .45 ACP it cost $120 or so - there is the initial outlay. Prices vary by make and model and age, but suffice it to say they cost enough you can buy a used car for that kind of loot. You could go broke buying the gun and shooting enough ammo to learn how to use it well! Full autos are very definitely a rich man's game. And you have to have written permission from the BATFE to take the thing out of state. Why do you think most of the people who own them are either millionaires or reenactors, or both?

The bottom line is that full autos are best left to the police and the military. At least they don't have to pay for their ammo!

You do realize that most full autos also have a semi auto mode which saves ammo, right?

08-13-2008, 02:38 PM	#1
marinevet1010 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Goodrich, Michigan Posts: 313	Full Auto I heard somewhere if you file down the sear of a semi-auto gun, it will be full auto. So I'm wondering (I really am just wondering, I have no intent on illegally converting any firearm to full-auto) if the gun would be full-auto only or a select fire gun? If it is full-auto only, how do select fire guns work? Thanks!

08-13-2008, 02:44 PM	#3
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 2,237 Images: 18	It would be permanently full auto and you would spend 10+ years and pay a rather large fine behind bars if you're lucky. Select fire is accomplished by adding some parts. I don't know enough about it to know how it works. I've been told before, but I forgot the details. Something to do(In an AK-47) with another pin through the receiver with a catch on it that allows the sear to not catch the hammer until you let off the trigger. But I'm probably mistaken. I personally have never seen the point in a fully automatic rifle other than a heavy support weapon. A two or three shot burst would be interesting though...but I've never heard of one of those on an AK-47. Oh btw, I think this should be in the class III area, so a mod might want to move it? __________________ Fear not, for I am with you; Be not discouraged, for I am your God.

08-13-2008, 02:45 PM	#4
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,685	I am thinking it would be full auto only. But, don't even think about doing it... __________________ "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." - Alexander Hamilton

08-13-2008, 02:47 PM	#5
musicmaniac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 1,060 Images: 7	Another question to toos out there too. Hypothetically, if you did file down the sear and it did turn it into a full auto, would it stop firing once you let off the trigger OR would it fire in full auto until the entire mag was empty? __________________ The lead car is absolutely unique, except for the one behind it which is identical. -Murray Walker

08-13-2008, 02:54 PM	#6
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 2,237 Images: 18	...you're awfully curious about this. __________________ Fear not, for I am with you; Be not discouraged, for I am your God.

08-13-2008, 02:44 PM	#2
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,559	A good rule of thumb is to never modify the angles of the sear. If it malfunctions at a range and they report you.... big trouble.

08-13-2008, 03:14 PM	#7
musicmaniac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 1,060 Images: 7	I hope you don't mean me JMP. I am curious about all things to do with firearms! I don't want a full auto by any means! I couldn't afford to feed one! HAHA! __________________ The lead car is absolutely unique, except for the one behind it which is identical. -Murray Walker

08-13-2008, 03:17 PM	#8
paparoach429 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 397	i dont know some of you guys dont want to talk about full auto... i meen its just talk. whats the worst that could happen? as long as nobody comes out and says "im gonna make my gun fully auto" talking about it should be fine

08-13-2008, 03:24 PM	#9
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,578	Well, it is illegal to alter a firearm from semi-to full auto. If losing your right to bear arms forever, paying a fine, going to jail and all the rest, then sure, go ahead. lol But know you've been warned. I don't mind talking about full auto. But talking about altering a gun to shoot full auto, yes, that is one subject I try to avoid, for obvious reasons.... By the way, just talking about it does/can raise "RED" flags and could affect the site or future of the site it's being discussed on. Especially if from talking about it, one from that site, based on what they are or were told at or from that site, tries it and either hurts themselves or someone else or actually gets it to shoot full auto. __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke" Last edited by GlockMeister; 08-13-2008 at 03:28 PM.

08-13-2008, 03:45 PM	#10
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 2,237 Images: 18	^ Exactly. __________________ Fear not, for I am with you; Be not discouraged, for I am your God.

08-13-2008, 03:55 PM	#11
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,797	If the sear wears or you file it(same thing)the firearm will fire until it is empty,you can't stop it.Select fire is set up so it will lock the sear with the trigger back and when you let the trigger up it works again. sam.

08-13-2008, 03:58 PM	#12
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 1,151 Images: 10	I have a class 3 gun, a legal one. First, filing down a sear on most guns will not make it go full auto. The hammer follows the bolt home and does not have enough umph to detonate the primer. By design the firing pin can be struck only when the bolt is locked into position. By riding the bolt it never gets a chance to strike the firingpin with force.If it would, it would be dangerous since the detonation would occur BEFORE the bolt was properly locked. In a regular full auto there is a lever that is tripped by the bolt and then it rotates and releases the sear after the bolt is locked. This lever is moved out of the way via a switch when in semi, so it does not then trip the sear. The making of a full auto gun is illegal, and guns can no longer be altered to FA status. Too many people get bored and tinker only to be reported to law enforcement when their gun goes full auto at the range. Inspection would show it was altered and you would be a felon, jailed, and lose all gun rights for-ever.

08-13-2008, 04:03 PM	#13
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 1,151 Images: 10	Musicman, though a filed sear would not make a gun FA, see explanation, The sear would no longer catch the hammer and the gun won't operate as a semi auto either.The hammer would be down and you could not cock the gun, the sear would not hold the hammer back.

08-13-2008, 04:11 PM	#14
musicmaniac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 1,060 Images: 7	Thank you M14man. As I previously stated, I have ABSOLUTELY no intention of trying to convert anything into a fully automatic weapon. Come to think of it, since I sold my Yugo SKS, I don't even own a semi-auto rifle. They are all bolts. Haha! Actually, that is kind of sad. Time for a 10/22 or something as soon as money comes available. Who knows how long that may be though. And in regards to Glock Meister and JMP, I couldn't agree more about people not trying to convert anything to FA. I just am very mechanically minded and like to know how things work and WHY they work that way. I have noticed, and I know you have too GM, that at the top of some threads there is a disclaimer stating that any info in that thread is for informational purposes only and so on. Maybe something like that needs to be on this thread? __________________ The lead car is absolutely unique, except for the one behind it which is identical. -Murray Walker

08-13-2008, 04:18 PM	#15
gunnut2 Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southeastern Oklahoma Posts: 42	How many times does it have to be said that it is illegal? I think we all know that. Don't think that there aren't any full autos out there illegaly, there are around a dozen within a 10 mile radius of where I live.

08-13-2008, 04:20 PM	#16
squirrelblaster lord of lego turtles! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,445	hey gunnut, i im not sure aware of this but it is illegal to make a semi -auto into a full auto...it will land you in jail for like 10+ years.....just hought youd like to know. __________________ "I like Turtles!" youtube kid

08-13-2008, 04:21 PM	#17
gunnut2 Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southeastern Oklahoma Posts: 42	I am fully aware of the law, but thanks anyway.

08-13-2008, 04:40 PM	#18
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 6,743	Mucking about with the innards of a semi-auto firearm is best left to professional gunsmiths. They know what they are doing. And no ethical 'smith would do something as stupid as filing the sear in an attempt to turn a semi-auto into a full-auto! If you feel you absolutely have to have a full auto gun, and you are willing to put up with the BATFE intruding into your life to get one - one of the rules on full auto gives the BATFE the right to knock on your door at any time, without a warrant, and ask to see the gun to confirm you still have it - go ahead and get yourself the appropriate license and pay the $200 tax stamp per full auto gun you have to pay to get your hands on it. Quite aside from the problem of keeping one fed - a Thompson, for example, can go through a case of .45 ACP in one minute, and the last time I bought a case of 230 grain .45 ACP it cost $120 or so - there is the initial outlay. Prices vary by make and model and age, but suffice it to say they cost enough you can buy a used car for that kind of loot. You could go broke buying the gun and shooting enough ammo to learn how to use it well! Full autos are very definitely a rich man's game. And you have to have written permission from the BATFE to take the thing out of state. Why do you think most of the people who own them are either millionaires or reenactors, or both? The bottom line is that full autos are best left to the police and the military. At least they don't have to pay for their ammo!

08-13-2008, 04:42 PM	#19
squirrelblaster lord of lego turtles! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,445	^ i think you meant to say police military and knightrider! __________________ "I like Turtles!" youtube kid