bolt rubbing on hammer???

tommy · 12-10-2008, 08:23 PM

i went and shoot my ak's and both my new ak's had loading problems they didn't before but i really only shot them one day just to make sure they functioned ok.everything seems ok the only thing i see is my sar1 has the regular trigger and it doesn't rub but my two wars have the tapco g2 trigger and the fireing pin rubs on it when the bolts if sliding farwards to load another round. seems like a easy fix would be to sand a bit off the hammer and it's good to go. has anyone done this before. to me it looks like it inededs to be pulled down further with the hookand that would take care of it without sanding . i'm gonna disasemble it tonight and see what can be done.

tommy · 12-10-2008, 08:55 PM

ok i took 3 of them down starting on the left are the wasr thats the underfolder i just bought it's still got cosmolene in it the next one is another wasr and the last one is my sar 1 the sar one has the regular trigger it sits about 3/16 lower in the reciever than the tapco g2 triggers that are giving me problems i know for a fact it's the triggers because you can cycle the guns with the top off and see it hang up on the hammer . has anyone ever brazed anything to the hammer?or would solder hold?i do have a fab shop with a setup for welding /brazing/soldering. or whatever i want so i was thining of just putting a spacer there and tacing it with my mig gun then the problem is solved.

jmp8927 · 12-10-2008, 10:40 PM

I was under the impression that it was normal to rub on the hammer. Even if it's not, the worst it can do is rub a slight groove in your bolt after about 200,000rds. Seriously tough, I think someone said something about this like a year ago and the conclusion was that it didn't hurt anything.

tommy · 12-10-2008, 11:04 PM

i fixed one of them i'm gonna take some before and after pictures of the one i do tomorrow . i tell you the gun cycles alot smoother the lower that hammer is. my sar1 might have some trigger slap but the action is smooth as butter . i'm gonna do some work to that trigger too .i wanna order me some backups just incase.the way it looks is i can build the hole trigger group with metal and tools i have now if needed . tomorrow i wanna drop the hammer down even lower to see what happens.

Mooseman684 · 12-11-2008, 12:10 AM

Be Careful Tommy, There is a reason that the hammer is the way it is...The bolt recoil cocks it and it has to drop low enough for the sear to catch it for semi-auto fire...Otherwise, you will run into problems ! Do not weld or solder or anything to those parts, they are heat treated and heating them again will soften them...
Rich

tommy · 12-11-2008, 12:15 AM

i'm welding and modifieying the trigger hook so the hammer will sit lower. i'm not welding or sanding on the hammer.i have some finished pictures of one i did but noe of what it looked like before i messed with it.

tommy · 12-11-2008, 12:22 AM

ok i copied a picture from tapco .com of the trigger and i got pictures of the trigger after i done the work to the hook.

jmp8927 · 12-11-2008, 06:22 AM

Let us know how it turns out after you've put a few through it.

tommy · 12-11-2008, 09:49 AM

i sure will it won't be today we got snow down here can you freakin believe that!!! but from the way it's cycling dry it's real smooth. before you could feel it hang up on the hammer going backwards and farwards.. before if i racked it back and let it go it would stop dry now if i let it go she slams home .

SwedeSteve · 12-11-2008, 03:59 PM

Good luck with it !!

tommy · 03-21-2009, 11:39 PM

well i know it's been a while sinse i posted about the mod to the trigger but i finnaly got out today to go try them and they work great . i don't know why the triggers was resting so high but the reforming of the hook to lower the position of the hammer reduced the drag on the bolt sliding on it and not the gun cycles really smooth. if you can even lower it even more it would be even smoother.to give you an idea of how smooth the ak action can get remove the trigger assembly and slide the bolt back and forth . i might try to lower the hammer a bit more to see how it does.

Sprout47 · 03-22-2009, 12:25 AM

Hmm, I had heard of people grinding down the hammer face a little. I too have a G2 and the bolt does like to hang up on it, only when riding the bolt it is fine during firing/letting it go from the rear. I am under the impression that it will eventually wear down from use and since it doesn't effect the function it is not so much a problem. Besides it acts as a make shift bolt hold back when at the range. Have to stay positive

ArkansasHunter · 03-22-2009, 12:35 AM

Way to go CoonAss !!! You did a great job...A lot of folks wouldn't tackle what you did tommy.
Thanks for shareing what you did...A.H

tommy · 03-22-2009, 12:48 AM

no problem now my wasr10 is a smoother gun than my sar1. i might see about ordering a few triggers and messing with them that way i can just drop them in and out when needed. but yep the lower you can get that hammer to ride the better.

Pothole · 03-22-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprout47

Hmm, I had heard of people grinding down the hammer face a little. I too have a G2 and the bolt does like to hang up on it, only when riding the bolt it is fine during firing/letting it go from the rear. I am under the impression that it will eventually wear down from use and since it doesn't effect the function it is not so much a problem. Besides it acts as a make shift bolt hold back when at the range. Have to stay positive

i always like that about mine, i always heard that AK's didnt have a bolt lock, but i can keep mine open without using a spent round

tommy · 03-22-2009, 08:16 PM

thats how my ak's was all the ones with the g2 triggers would stay open unless i pushed them home(closed the bolt). but now they close easy and they don't hang up i acually did notice some better trigger feel to the gun too with this mod.my sar1 has the regular old ak trigger and it has a bad trigger slap but the hammer also rides about 3/16 lower than a g2 trigger does so with the mod i done to my other ak's i now have the g2 triggers riding at the same or close to the same hieght as the sar1's regular heght.. i'll try to get some better pics tonight.

Sprout47 · 03-23-2009, 07:06 AM

I am still getting used to the G2, it seems to light of a pull for my personal tastes. I think I've had the fortune of getting a 1 lb. trigger

More than once while at the range I had bumped a second shot. It is good training to make sure you keep the trigger pulled following a shot though

tommy · 03-23-2009, 10:53 AM

i'm gonna have to look to see whats the diference in the style of the triggers to see what they changed in them.. what i did notice right off is the hook on the trigger is really slanted and it doesn't really hook the hammer good after i reshaped the hook i made it to where more of the hook acually hooks the hammer .

Trigger Happy · 03-24-2009, 07:05 PM

I had to remove some meat from mine because of loading/ ejection /trigger returning al the way forward problems. Once I smoothed out the action ALL the problems were gone.

12-10-2008, 08:23 PM	#1
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	bolt rubbing on hammer??? i went and shoot my ak's and both my new ak's had loading problems they didn't before but i really only shot them one day just to make sure they functioned ok.everything seems ok the only thing i see is my sar1 has the regular trigger and it doesn't rub but my two wars have the tapco g2 trigger and the fireing pin rubs on it when the bolts if sliding farwards to load another round. seems like a easy fix would be to sand a bit off the hammer and it's good to go. has anyone done this before. to me it looks like it inededs to be pulled down further with the hookand that would take care of it without sanding . i'm gonna disasemble it tonight and see what can be done. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Last edited by tommy; 12-10-2008 at 09:02 PM.

12-10-2008, 08:55 PM	#2
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	ok i took 3 of them down starting on the left are the wasr thats the underfolder i just bought it's still got cosmolene in it the next one is another wasr and the last one is my sar 1 the sar one has the regular trigger it sits about 3/16 lower in the reciever than the tapco g2 triggers that are giving me problems i know for a fact it's the triggers because you can cycle the guns with the top off and see it hang up on the hammer . has anyone ever brazed anything to the hammer?or would solder hold?i do have a fab shop with a setup for welding /brazing/soldering. or whatever i want so i was thining of just putting a spacer there and tacing it with my mig gun then the problem is solved. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

12-10-2008, 10:40 PM	#3
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 2,277 Images: 18	I was under the impression that it was normal to rub on the hammer. Even if it's not, the worst it can do is rub a slight groove in your bolt after about 200,000rds. Seriously tough, I think someone said something about this like a year ago and the conclusion was that it didn't hurt anything. __________________ Fear not, for I am with you; Be not discouraged, for I am your God.

12-10-2008, 11:04 PM	#4
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	i fixed one of them i'm gonna take some before and after pictures of the one i do tomorrow . i tell you the gun cycles alot smoother the lower that hammer is. my sar1 might have some trigger slap but the action is smooth as butter . i'm gonna do some work to that trigger too .i wanna order me some backups just incase.the way it looks is i can build the hole trigger group with metal and tools i have now if needed . tomorrow i wanna drop the hammer down even lower to see what happens. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

12-11-2008, 12:10 AM	#5
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 11,310 Images: 2	Be Careful Tommy, There is a reason that the hammer is the way it is...The bolt recoil cocks it and it has to drop low enough for the sear to catch it for semi-auto fire...Otherwise, you will run into problems ! Do not weld or solder or anything to those parts, they are heat treated and heating them again will soften them... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-11-2008, 12:15 AM	#6
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	i'm welding and modifieying the trigger hook so the hammer will sit lower. i'm not welding or sanding on the hammer.i have some finished pictures of one i did but noe of what it looked like before i messed with it. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

12-11-2008, 12:22 AM	#7
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	ok i copied a picture from tapco .com of the trigger and i got pictures of the trigger after i done the work to the hook. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

12-11-2008, 06:22 AM	#8
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 2,277 Images: 18	Let us know how it turns out after you've put a few through it. __________________ Fear not, for I am with you; Be not discouraged, for I am your God.

12-11-2008, 09:49 AM	#9
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	i sure will it won't be today we got snow down here can you freakin believe that!!! but from the way it's cycling dry it's real smooth. before you could feel it hang up on the hammer going backwards and farwards.. before if i racked it back and let it go it would stop dry now if i let it go she slams home . __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

12-11-2008, 03:59 PM	#10
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 23,571 Images: 1	Good luck with it !! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-21-2009, 11:39 PM	#11
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	well i know it's been a while sinse i posted about the mod to the trigger but i finnaly got out today to go try them and they work great . i don't know why the triggers was resting so high but the reforming of the hook to lower the position of the hammer reduced the drag on the bolt sliding on it and not the gun cycles really smooth. if you can even lower it even more it would be even smoother.to give you an idea of how smooth the ak action can get remove the trigger assembly and slide the bolt back and forth . i might try to lower the hammer a bit more to see how it does. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-22-2009, 12:25 AM	#12
Sprout47 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,358	Hmm, I had heard of people grinding down the hammer face a little. I too have a G2 and the bolt does like to hang up on it, only when riding the bolt it is fine during firing/letting it go from the rear. I am under the impression that it will eventually wear down from use and since it doesn't effect the function it is not so much a problem. Besides it acts as a make shift bolt hold back when at the range. Have to stay positive __________________ "Nothing is impossible with an AK "

03-22-2009, 12:35 AM	#13
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 17,215	Way to go CoonAss !!! You did a great job...A lot of folks wouldn't tackle what you did tommy. Thanks for shareing what you did...A.H __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA MEMBER

03-22-2009, 12:48 AM	#14
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	no problem now my wasr10 is a smoother gun than my sar1. i might see about ordering a few triggers and messing with them that way i can just drop them in and out when needed. but yep the lower you can get that hammer to ride the better. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-22-2009, 08:16 PM	#16
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	thats how my ak's was all the ones with the g2 triggers would stay open unless i pushed them home(closed the bolt). but now they close easy and they don't hang up i acually did notice some better trigger feel to the gun too with this mod.my sar1 has the regular old ak trigger and it has a bad trigger slap but the hammer also rides about 3/16 lower than a g2 trigger does so with the mod i done to my other ak's i now have the g2 triggers riding at the same or close to the same hieght as the sar1's regular heght.. i'll try to get some better pics tonight. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-23-2009, 07:06 AM	#17
Sprout47 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,358	I am still getting used to the G2, it seems to light of a pull for my personal tastes. I think I've had the fortune of getting a 1 lb. trigger More than once while at the range I had bumped a second shot. It is good training to make sure you keep the trigger pulled following a shot though __________________ "Nothing is impossible with an AK "

03-23-2009, 10:53 AM	#18
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	i'm gonna have to look to see whats the diference in the style of the triggers to see what they changed in them.. what i did notice right off is the hook on the trigger is really slanted and it doesn't really hook the hammer good after i reshaped the hook i made it to where more of the hook acually hooks the hammer . __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-24-2009, 07:05 PM	#19
Trigger Happy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 249	I had to remove some meat from mine because of loading/ ejection /trigger returning al the way forward problems. Once I smoothed out the action ALL the problems were gone.