WASR-2 Problem

Orlando · 06-19-2009, 06:55 AM

CN Romarm SA Cugir/CAI WASR-2 5.45X39 , very well cleaned and lubed, no burrs or parts of case in chamber, round will drop in by hand.
Here is a picture of what is happening.
Will fire the first rd fine next rd is as shown in picture, have tried two different mags
If you pull back on the bolt when as pictured the bolt comes back without the round. The extractor hasnt gone over the rim. If you pull back then let go manually it will go over the rim and chamber the round. Any ideas? This is driving me crazy!
Thanks guys

imarangemaster · 06-19-2009, 08:53 AM

Possible casuses:

-Weak recoil spring
-Gas system problem like plug gas hole, excessively loose piston (a little wiggle is OK)
-extractor problem like spring won't compress because of dried cosmo;ene impacting it, or carbon

basically my guess, though, is that something is retarding bolt/carrier reward motion, so there is insufficient forward enregy to snap the extractor over the rim.

Clean out gas hole, clean gas tube and piston, disassemble bolt and clean out all cosmolene, especially in the extractor spring hole, check and make sure hammer is not upside down (don't laugh, it happens), thoroughly clean, and clean some more. Even buff (not grind) to smooth the forward face of the extractor - don't remove metal.

Sprout47 · 06-19-2009, 12:18 PM

Actually, I had the same exact problem with my WASR-10. It did it about 50 rounds before the disconnector broke. I would switch out your FCG, expecially if it is the stock crappy Century trigger group. I started to get noticable trigger slap when it started to do that. I think the FCG was not resetting properly and causing the BCG to not go back all the way and causign the jams.

SwedeSteve · 06-19-2009, 01:12 PM

^ That has been my experience with my WASR as well !!

Mooseman684 · 06-19-2009, 01:36 PM

1.Check to see that all the springs , especially the double hook hammer springs are in their proper position on the trigger assembly.
2.With no magazine in, remove the top cover, remove the recoil spring assembly, then work the bolt by hand slowly to see if there is a binding spot on the bolt slide rails or a burr, that can be lightly filed smooth.
3. Same as above about the extractor...Make sure it is clean, and moves freely , since it has to snap over the rim of the cartridge when in Battery.
4. Put a drop or 2 of Synthetic oil inside on the hammer pin and let it run into the Hammer hole , work the hammer by hand a few times. Also put a drop of synthetic oil or white lithium lube on the bolt /bolt carrier area that makes the bolt rotate ( Front underside of the Bolt Carrier)
5. Put an empty magazine in , and work the bolt by hand watching and feeling for any binding on the Magazine assembly rear section.
6. Re- install the Recoil spring and top cover...then work the bolt by hand about 10 times , feeling for any binding...It should be smooth with only slight resistance when the Bolt rides back over the Hammer .
Rich

Orlando · 06-19-2009, 05:15 PM

Mooseman, I will check the things you suggested.
I tore into the bolt, it had some crud but wasnt to bad, not enough to cause any problems.
I did find that the extractor felt kinda gritty when moving it with the spring out so I polished it and where it sits in the bolt slightly.
Found someting though, there is a raised area on the bolt, you can feel it with your fingers. I suppose I should file this down
Other than that really didnt find anything. Did notice that it seems that it takes alot of thumb pressure to move the ejector. Say alot more than in a Garand bolt. Ithought about slightly shortening spring and see what happens?

Great Basin Ben · 06-19-2009, 05:54 PM

Does it do it if you hold the Magazine and almost manually "seat" it? The WASR2's had a lot of issues with the mag latches not being correct, and if the subsequent round isn't in the foremost top seated position, this could also be resulting in this failure to feed. If you have an excessive amount of mag "wobble" this might be the case. Can you move the mag up and down at all once it is inserted, and latched? If so, your fix might be as simple as trying out some different mags. I had to dremel and polish the living crap out of my WASR2's bolt carrier. It had so many "irregularities" that it wasn't even funny. After several hours with the dremel and several varying grits of wet/dry sandpaper, followed by the Buffung wheel, I finally can say that it is in decent shape, but when I first received it , I almost cried.

Orlando · 06-20-2009, 06:56 AM

Everything cycles very, very smoothly with the exception that the bolt does seem to rub over the hammer fairly hard. I polished both pieces.
I am going to smooth out the bolt and try firing her again and check for mag function
I'm having a hard time finding any decet priced 5.45x39 mags. Any recommendations?

Sprout47 · 06-20-2009, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando

Everything cycles very, very smoothly with the exception that the bolt does seem to rub over the hammer fairly hard. I polished both pieces.
I am going to smooth out the bolt and try firing her again and check for mag function
I'm having a hard time finding any decet priced 5.45x39 mags. Any recommendations?

Seriously check out your FCG parts. If it is getting difficult to charge, ie hanging up on the hammer etc., it may be what me and Steve said. Check for stress fractures, mainly where the pins go through the parts.

Orlando · 06-20-2009, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprout47

Seriously check out your FCG parts. If it is getting difficult to charge, ie hanging up on the hammer etc., it may be what me and Steve said. Check for stress fractures, mainly where the pins go through the parts.

I checked hammer, trigger pins are fine. It isnt hard to charge. I dont have another to judge if the bolt rubs harder on the hammer than it should

Sprout47 · 06-20-2009, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando

I checked hammer, trigger pins are fine. It isnt hard to charge. I dont have another to judge if the bolt rubs harder on the hammer than it should

Is it an original FCG? Reason why I worry is that when my disconnector snapped I ended up slam firing the remainder of my magazine.

Orlando · 06-20-2009, 12:09 PM

Tapco trigger , other parts are probably original
The mags fit pretty tight not much wobble
I am still wondering about the bolt carrier hitting the hammer. If I manually ride the carrier down to the hammer until it stops then let go it doesnt ride over the hammer but stops. Is this right?
I have polished these parts.
I can push down on the hammer and there is room for it to go down.
What do you think?

knightRider · 06-20-2009, 12:25 PM

take it to a gunsmith. if all this hasn't helped that's what i would do.

Orlando · 06-20-2009, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knightRider

take it to a gunsmith. if all this hasn't helped that's what i would do.

Naw ,anyone can do that. This has turned into a grudge match now

tommy · 06-20-2009, 02:24 PM

redo the hook on the hammer like i did it will drop the hammer lower into the reciever and it won't rub on the bolt anymore or atleast not as bad i had this problem with two of my wasr10's i fixed both of them and they are workin fine now.

tommy · 06-20-2009, 02:30 PM

here ya go this is the thread i posted pictures of the hook before asnd after plus i have all three rifles next to each other you can see the one all the way on the right is the sar1 with the good lower hammer and the two on the left are the ones i had to lower if you look at them you will notice they are higher . if you need some help with this project let me know i seem to be a pro at it now. it is a simple fix and after the gun will function even smoother than with just a tapco trigger .

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/ak4...ng-hammer.html (bolt rubbing on hammer???)

06-19-2009, 06:55 AM	#1
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	WASR-2 Problem CN Romarm SA Cugir/CAI WASR-2 5.45X39 , very well cleaned and lubed, no burrs or parts of case in chamber, round will drop in by hand. Here is a picture of what is happening. Will fire the first rd fine next rd is as shown in picture, have tried two different mags If you pull back on the bolt when as pictured the bolt comes back without the round. The extractor hasnt gone over the rim. If you pull back then let go manually it will go over the rim and chamber the round. Any ideas? This is driving me crazy! Thanks guys Last edited by Orlando; 06-19-2009 at 06:41 PM.

06-19-2009, 08:53 AM	#2
imarangemaster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 232	Problem Possible casuses: -Weak recoil spring -Gas system problem like plug gas hole, excessively loose piston (a little wiggle is OK) -extractor problem like spring won't compress because of dried cosmo;ene impacting it, or carbon basically my guess, though, is that something is retarding bolt/carrier reward motion, so there is insufficient forward enregy to snap the extractor over the rim. Clean out gas hole, clean gas tube and piston, disassemble bolt and clean out all cosmolene, especially in the extractor spring hole, check and make sure hammer is not upside down (don't laugh, it happens), thoroughly clean, and clean some more. Even buff (not grind) to smooth the forward face of the extractor - don't remove metal.

06-19-2009, 12:18 PM	#3
Sprout47 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,358	Actually, I had the same exact problem with my WASR-10. It did it about 50 rounds before the disconnector broke. I would switch out your FCG, expecially if it is the stock crappy Century trigger group. I started to get noticable trigger slap when it started to do that. I think the FCG was not resetting properly and causing the BCG to not go back all the way and causign the jams. __________________ "Nothing is impossible with an AK "

06-19-2009, 01:12 PM	#4
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 23,545 Images: 1	^ That has been my experience with my WASR as well !! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

06-19-2009, 01:36 PM	#5
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 11,305 Images: 2	1.Check to see that all the springs , especially the double hook hammer springs are in their proper position on the trigger assembly. 2.With no magazine in, remove the top cover, remove the recoil spring assembly, then work the bolt by hand slowly to see if there is a binding spot on the bolt slide rails or a burr, that can be lightly filed smooth. 3. Same as above about the extractor...Make sure it is clean, and moves freely , since it has to snap over the rim of the cartridge when in Battery. 4. Put a drop or 2 of Synthetic oil inside on the hammer pin and let it run into the Hammer hole , work the hammer by hand a few times. Also put a drop of synthetic oil or white lithium lube on the bolt /bolt carrier area that makes the bolt rotate ( Front underside of the Bolt Carrier) 5. Put an empty magazine in , and work the bolt by hand watching and feeling for any binding on the Magazine assembly rear section. 6. Re- install the Recoil spring and top cover...then work the bolt by hand about 10 times , feeling for any binding...It should be smooth with only slight resistance when the Bolt rides back over the Hammer . Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

06-19-2009, 05:15 PM	#6
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	Mooseman, I will check the things you suggested. I tore into the bolt, it had some crud but wasnt to bad, not enough to cause any problems. I did find that the extractor felt kinda gritty when moving it with the spring out so I polished it and where it sits in the bolt slightly. Found someting though, there is a raised area on the bolt, you can feel it with your fingers. I suppose I should file this down Other than that really didnt find anything. Did notice that it seems that it takes alot of thumb pressure to move the ejector. Say alot more than in a Garand bolt. Ithought about slightly shortening spring and see what happens?

06-19-2009, 05:54 PM	#7
Great Basin Ben Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Silver State Posts: 59	Does it do it if you hold the Magazine and almost manually "seat" it? The WASR2's had a lot of issues with the mag latches not being correct, and if the subsequent round isn't in the foremost top seated position, this could also be resulting in this failure to feed. If you have an excessive amount of mag "wobble" this might be the case. Can you move the mag up and down at all once it is inserted, and latched? If so, your fix might be as simple as trying out some different mags. I had to dremel and polish the living crap out of my WASR2's bolt carrier. It had so many "irregularities" that it wasn't even funny. After several hours with the dremel and several varying grits of wet/dry sandpaper, followed by the Buffung wheel, I finally can say that it is in decent shape, but when I first received it , I almost cried.

06-20-2009, 06:56 AM	#8
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	Everything cycles very, very smoothly with the exception that the bolt does seem to rub over the hammer fairly hard. I polished both pieces. I am going to smooth out the bolt and try firing her again and check for mag function I'm having a hard time finding any decet priced 5.45x39 mags. Any recommendations?

06-20-2009, 12:09 PM	#12
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	Tapco trigger , other parts are probably original The mags fit pretty tight not much wobble I am still wondering about the bolt carrier hitting the hammer. If I manually ride the carrier down to the hammer until it stops then let go it doesnt ride over the hammer but stops. Is this right? I have polished these parts. I can push down on the hammer and there is room for it to go down. What do you think?

06-20-2009, 12:25 PM	#13
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 3,777 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 17	take it to a gunsmith. if all this hasn't helped that's what i would do. __________________ God doesn't give rights. Men have to fight for them.

06-20-2009, 02:24 PM	#15
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	redo the hook on the hammer like i did it will drop the hammer lower into the reciever and it won't rub on the bolt anymore or atleast not as bad i had this problem with two of my wasr10's i fixed both of them and they are workin fine now. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-20-2009, 02:30 PM	#16
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	here ya go this is the thread i posted pictures of the hook before asnd after plus i have all three rifles next to each other you can see the one all the way on the right is the sar1 with the good lower hammer and the two on the left are the ones i had to lower if you look at them you will notice they are higher . if you need some help with this project let me know i seem to be a pro at it now. it is a simple fix and after the gun will function even smoother than with just a tapco trigger . http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/ak4...ng-hammer.html (bolt rubbing on hammer???) __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]