Newbe's PSL ?'s

COYOTE10663 · 11-05-2009, 10:50 PM

OK. May be a highly stupid question or two here.
1) Is a PSL trully an AK? It shoots a much hotter round.
2) Is a PSL a Dragnov? <sp?> They look the same to me, and they fire the same round.
3) Is not the 7.62x54R, for the most part, a ballistic twin to the .308?
4) Are the PSL's accurate?

I am not a newbe here, but as to my AK47 IQ, it's about 0.

squirrelblaster · 11-05-2009, 10:53 PM

well its based on the same machanics as an ak... so....kinda its an ak..... but kinda not....... id just say its int he family

it is not a dragonov.... they are two diffrent guns despite looking similar.

and i think it can be quite accurate with the right ammo.

cr107 · 11-05-2009, 11:08 PM

PSL=AK on steroids.

PSL-Dragunov: not even close. The PSL using a long stroke gas system, while the dragunov uses a short piston system. and the receiver construction is totally different. the mags are NOT interchangeable.

cant answer ballistics question

PSL's can be made very accurate rifles, but remember these were built as DMR rifles, not snipers.

Sgtsquid · 11-05-2009, 11:11 PM

Check this link out, it should answer a lot of your questions. The PSL is not a Dragunov, although it is often referred to as a Romanian Dragunov it is not a true Dragunov. See the sticky threads on the top of this forum.

Dragunov dot net - Romanian PSL Rifle Information

Hope this helps.

RomanianSniper · 11-06-2009, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COYOTE10663

OK. May be a highly stupid question or two here.
1) Is a PSL trully an AK? It shoots a much hotter round.
2) Is a PSL a Dragnov? <sp?> They look the same to me, and they fire the same round.
3) Is not the 7.62x54R, for the most part, a ballistic twin to the .308?
4) Are the PSL's accurate?

I am not a newbe here, but as to my AK47 IQ, it's about 0.

1. It Is Of Ak Mechanism...The Gun Itself Is In A Class Of Its Own

2. No...But To Me I'd Have A PSL Over A SVD Dragunov ANY Day..And I'll Put Them Both To The Test!

3. No It Is Of More Descent To The 30-06 Round..

4. YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! Out To About 800 Yards!

PSLMAN · 11-06-2009, 04:45 AM

Some PSLs, such as mine, are stamped FPK Dragunov but that's a misnomer. I think the importers do that for name recognition to help sales. When these rifles were not as common as they are now a good portion of potential buyers wouldn't know what A PSL was but most would recognize the Dragunov moniker.

I got mine from a friend, I knew the Romanians built their own rifle in response to the Dragunov but didn't know what it was called. When he asked if I wanted to buy his PSL I immediately thought it was a game console and said no thanks I already have an X-BOX!

COYOTE10663 · 11-06-2009, 07:10 AM

Cool. Think I need a PSL kit soon. Very soon!
But that does explain why an ex-coworkers " Dragunov " was only $550.00 (no scope)
when I was seeing them for $1,500.00 or more on the net!
HA !!!!!!! I was right! It WAS a copy!!!!!!!
But from what I hear, an dang good copy at that.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, AK47, the worlds most reliable semi auto rifle ever built, and then put on steroids !!!! wow.

pico · 11-06-2009, 09:16 AM

They are not copies of the dragunov. The PSL/ROMAK3 guns do not have the pressure adjuster on the gas tube, and they are a different action. I have the Romanian knock off and the chinese NDM-86 in .308. The chinese is a direct copy of the dragunov, but varies a bit. The Tiger rifles are vary similar, but do not have the variable setting on the gas tube either. How much this affects function is beyond me. Getting better grade russian surplus is probably the way to go, as in the 7n1 rounds. They are getting harder to come by these days, but would probably function better than most other surplus for any of these rifles.

I actually like the chinese better, as being .308 you can get better match grade rounds. The downside is that only around 1,000 made it into the US, and they are rare and cost an arm and a leg. Mine cost me $4,500, and only came with one mag. My second mag cost me $150.

Sprout47 · 11-06-2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COYOTE10663

Cool. Think I need a PSL kit soon. Very soon!
But that does explain why an ex-coworkers " Dragunov " was only $550.00 (no scope)
when I was seeing them for $1,500.00 or more on the net!
HA !!!!!!! I was right! It WAS a copy!!!!!!!
But from what I hear, an dang good copy at that.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, AK47, the worlds most reliable semi auto rifle ever built, and then put on steroids !!!! wow.

Not even copies, completely different other than shooting the same bullet. They don't even use the same magazines. According to 76254r.net they have about the same potential accuracy wise. I am actually thinking about getting rid of mine, if I can convince the wife

RomanianSniper · 11-06-2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprout47

Not even copies, completely different other than shooting the same bullet. They don't even use the same magazines. According to 76254r.net they have about the same potential accuracy wise. I am actually thinking about getting rid of mine, if I can convince the wife

The Mags ARE Interchangeable..I Just Put My SVD Mag Into My FPK And Vise Versa..

cr107 · 11-06-2009, 11:58 AM

no, it might fit but wont work, straight off Dragunov.net http://www.dragunov.net/faq.html#psl

"
12: "I bought a Dragunov magazine online and it doesn't work. Why is that?"

The recent importation of parts from Romania has encouraged a lot of dealers try to profit from the popularity of the Dragunov rifles. Some of these dealers either through ignorance or hoping to prey on uneducated buyers list their Romanian parts as real Dragunov parts. This includes the 10 round 7.62x54R magazines. Since these parts and magazines will only work for the Romanian PSL rifle they are not interchangeable with a Chinese or Russian Dragunov. To complicate matters, the Romanian magazines have a very similar appearance to real SVD magazines. The easiest way to spot a Romanian mag is by the X on the sides. (Left - Right: Chinese 7.62x51, Romanian 7.62x54, Russian 7.62x54)"

RomanianSniper · 11-06-2009, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cr107

no, it might fit but wont work, straight off Dragunov.net Dragunov dot net - The FAQ - Read This First!

"
12: "I bought a Dragunov magazine online and it doesn't work. Why is that?"

The recent importation of parts from Romania has encouraged a lot of dealers try to profit from the popularity of the Dragunov rifles. Some of these dealers either through ignorance or hoping to prey on uneducated buyers list their Romanian parts as real Dragunov parts. This includes the 10 round 7.62x54R magazines. Since these parts and magazines will only work for the Romanian PSL rifle they are not interchangeable with a Chinese or Russian Dragunov. To complicate matters, the Romanian magazines have a very similar appearance to real SVD magazines. The easiest way to spot a Romanian mag is by the X on the sides. (Left - Right: Chinese 7.62x51, Romanian 7.62x54, Russian 7.62x54)"

Well Both Mags Fit And Function And Fire Perfectly!

Sprout47 · 11-06-2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomanianSniper

Well Both Mags Fit And Function And Fire Perfectly!

The magazines aredifferent. What isn't is that online sealers sell pal mags as dragunov mags. They are not SvD mags. Svd mags don't have an X pattern on the side of the mag body.

Note the different rear locking lug;

Rifle_Shaman · 11-06-2009, 10:25 PM

YouTube - PSL vs SVD

nuff seid that guy knows his sh*t about PSLs.

RomanianSniper · 11-06-2009, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rifle_Shaman

YouTube - PSL vs SVD

nuff seid that guy knows his sh*t about PSLs.

He Dont Know Enough! Cuz If He Knows It All! Then Im A Master!

Sprout47 · 11-07-2009, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomanianSniper

He Dont Know Enough! Cuz If He Knows It All! Then Im A Master!

Who thinks SVD/PSL magazines are interchangeable?

PSLMAN · 11-07-2009, 10:48 AM

A friend of a friend had a PSL and then bought a Tigr. He sold my friend the PSL and I noticed the mag was marked PSL. My friend said the other guy had done this so his shooting buddies wouldn't confuse the two. Apparently the PSL mag would latch into the Tigr at least to some extent. Now of course, I can't prove any of this one way or another, but I have my friend's rifle in my gun cabinet with PSL stenciled in bold white letters on the side of it.

ttwinsupra · 11-07-2009, 11:19 AM

I keep hearing how different the psl is from the svd but they never say how what are differences between the two becides the little shape differences in the recever and the shorter gas system? mags go along with the shape of the recever

people say the psl is a ak47 but i can find more differeces in thoes two than the psl vs svd

Cyrano · 11-07-2009, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomanianSniper

The Mags ARE Interchangeable..I Just Put My SVD Mag Into My FPK And Vise Versa..

What you've established is that the magazines can fit into each other magazine wells. The real question is, "Will the two rifles correctly cycle when loaded with the other rifle's magazine?" That, you haven't answered yet.

Personally, I think you would be doing the folks who own SVDs or FPKs/PSLs a great service if you take both guns to the range, load up the magazines, and run a function test of, say, 50 or 60 rounds per gun. If you can prove that issue PSL magazines will fit the SVD, the SVD shooters will suddenly have a source of extra magazines they can afford.

RomanianSniper · 11-07-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano

What you've established is that the magazines can fit into each other magazine wells. The real question is, "Will the two rifles correctly cycle when loaded with the other rifle's magazine?" That, you haven't answered yet.

Personally, I think you would be doing the folks who own SVDs or FPKs/PSLs a great service if you take both guns to the range, load up the magazines, and run a function test of, say, 50 or 60 rounds per gun. If you can prove that issue PSL magazines will fit the SVD, the SVD shooters will suddenly have a source of extra magazines they can afford.

I Took Them Out And They Both Function FLAWLESSLY!!! Put 100 Rounds Through Both With The Mags Swapped!

11-05-2009, 10:50 PM	#1
COYOTE10663 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 195	Newbe's PSL ?'s OK. May be a highly stupid question or two here. 1) Is a PSL trully an AK? It shoots a much hotter round. 2) Is a PSL a Dragnov? <sp?> They look the same to me, and they fire the same round. 3) Is not the 7.62x54R, for the most part, a ballistic twin to the .308? 4) Are the PSL's accurate? I am not a newbe here, but as to my AK47 IQ, it's about 0. __________________ To be upset over the things you want & DO NOT have is to waste the things you DO have !

11-05-2009, 10:53 PM	#2
squirrelblaster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,723	well its based on the same machanics as an ak... so....kinda its an ak..... but kinda not....... id just say its int he family it is not a dragonov.... they are two diffrent guns despite looking similar. and i think it can be quite accurate with the right ammo. __________________ "I like Turtles!" youtube kid

11-05-2009, 11:08 PM	#3
cr107 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Loganville, Ga Posts: 1,027	PSL=AK on steroids. PSL-Dragunov: not even close. The PSL using a long stroke gas system, while the dragunov uses a short piston system. and the receiver construction is totally different. the mags are NOT interchangeable. cant answer ballistics question PSL's can be made very accurate rifles, but remember these were built as DMR rifles, not snipers. __________________ 'Justice is a short rope with a long fall" Future Solider

11-06-2009, 04:45 AM	#6
PSLMAN Stalker of zombie possum. Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rheas Mill, Arkansas. Posts: 2,962 Blog Entries: 2	Some PSLs, such as mine, are stamped FPK Dragunov but that's a misnomer. I think the importers do that for name recognition to help sales. When these rifles were not as common as they are now a good portion of potential buyers wouldn't know what A PSL was but most would recognize the Dragunov moniker. I got mine from a friend, I knew the Romanians built their own rifle in response to the Dragunov but didn't know what it was called. When he asked if I wanted to buy his PSL I immediately thought it was a game console and said no thanks I already have an X-BOX! __________________ Zombies tremble at the mention of my name.

11-06-2009, 07:10 AM	#7
COYOTE10663 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 195	Cool. Think I need a PSL kit soon. Very soon! But that does explain why an ex-coworkers " Dragunov " was only $550.00 (no scope) when I was seeing them for $1,500.00 or more on the net! HA !!!!!!! I was right! It WAS a copy!!!!!!! But from what I hear, an dang good copy at that. Hmmmmmmmmmmm, AK47, the worlds most reliable semi auto rifle ever built, and then put on steroids !!!! wow. __________________ To be upset over the things you want & DO NOT have is to waste the things you DO have !

11-05-2009, 11:11 PM	#4
Sgtsquid Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 176	Check this link out, it should answer a lot of your questions. The PSL is not a Dragunov, although it is often referred to as a Romanian Dragunov it is not a true Dragunov. See the sticky threads on the top of this forum. Dragunov dot net - Romanian PSL Rifle Information Hope this helps.

11-06-2009, 09:16 AM	#8
pico Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 441	They are not copies of the dragunov. The PSL/ROMAK3 guns do not have the pressure adjuster on the gas tube, and they are a different action. I have the Romanian knock off and the chinese NDM-86 in .308. The chinese is a direct copy of the dragunov, but varies a bit. The Tiger rifles are vary similar, but do not have the variable setting on the gas tube either. How much this affects function is beyond me. Getting better grade russian surplus is probably the way to go, as in the 7n1 rounds. They are getting harder to come by these days, but would probably function better than most other surplus for any of these rifles. I actually like the chinese better, as being .308 you can get better match grade rounds. The downside is that only around 1,000 made it into the US, and they are rare and cost an arm and a leg. Mine cost me $4,500, and only came with one mag. My second mag cost me $150.

11-06-2009, 11:58 AM	#11
cr107 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Loganville, Ga Posts: 1,027	no, it might fit but wont work, straight off Dragunov.net http://www.dragunov.net/faq.html#psl " 12: "I bought a Dragunov magazine online and it doesn't work. Why is that?" The recent importation of parts from Romania has encouraged a lot of dealers try to profit from the popularity of the Dragunov rifles. Some of these dealers either through ignorance or hoping to prey on uneducated buyers list their Romanian parts as real Dragunov parts. This includes the 10 round 7.62x54R magazines. Since these parts and magazines will only work for the Romanian PSL rifle they are not interchangeable with a Chinese or Russian Dragunov. To complicate matters, the Romanian magazines have a very similar appearance to real SVD magazines. The easiest way to spot a Romanian mag is by the X on the sides. (Left - Right: Chinese 7.62x51, Romanian 7.62x54, Russian 7.62x54)" __________________ 'Justice is a short rope with a long fall" Future Solider
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11-07-2009, 10:48 AM	#17
PSLMAN Stalker of zombie possum. Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rheas Mill, Arkansas. Posts: 2,962 Blog Entries: 2	A friend of a friend had a PSL and then bought a Tigr. He sold my friend the PSL and I noticed the mag was marked PSL. My friend said the other guy had done this so his shooting buddies wouldn't confuse the two. Apparently the PSL mag would latch into the Tigr at least to some extent. Now of course, I can't prove any of this one way or another, but I have my friend's rifle in my gun cabinet with PSL stenciled in bold white letters on the side of it. __________________ Zombies tremble at the mention of my name.

11-07-2009, 11:19 AM	#18
ttwinsupra Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 372	I keep hearing how different the psl is from the svd but they never say how what are differences between the two becides the little shape differences in the recever and the shorter gas system? mags go along with the shape of the recever people say the psl is a ak47 but i can find more differeces in thoes two than the psl vs svd