Money's not staying here Non resident workers

Rex in OTZ · 02-25-2009, 05:49 PM

Its been a passing interest of mine over the last few years the ammount of wealth mined out of this state (figurtave and literal) seems that the percentage of labor in the state is performed by "Commuter Labor" They live in say Seattle, Dallas, Oklahoma City and buy a plane ticket fly out here and live in the furnished facility's (room & board) saving all they make then get paid ther shift is up "2 on 2 off" they leave, none that $$ stays in state to stimulate alaskan commerce cause they dont stay here there removing a state resource, A accointance of mine has been doing some millwright work (Union) had commented that the highest percentage of North Slope labor pool is held by Non resident workers and a very low percentage is native or even rural (too costly to be from there).
As a transplanted rural Nebraskan i was brought up to dance with the one who brung ya (ride for the brand) seems kinda immoral to work here but not live here. You like our state for its wealth and little else.
also the out of state guides.........I know I cannot afford to hunt or fish as recreation to that extent (big$$) but why cant the guides be from in state?
Seems its getting too costly to be a resident here?
Its easy for a company to bid a job cheap and flush out there crews with cheap workers from south the boarder(Canadian) who work cheaper than Alaskans (gotta pay for that $7 a gallon heating oil? we cannot compeat!) they live where its cheap and make a wad o cash and flock back over the boarder living large.

privateer · 02-25-2009, 10:23 PM

Rex, man all I can do is nod my head, I hear ya and I cant agree more.
Hell if it's not the seasonal workers it's the folks that live here full time but send the cash overseas ???

John

Rex in OTZ · 02-25-2009, 10:54 PM

Whats interesting is in the land of OTZ its the Norm to have some raceism in hireing practices, its odd that a rural nonnative resident can be a member of a community for 20 years and be locked out of certain job markets
whats not so funny is company state's outright that they have a native hireing prefrence if/when there are no qualified local natives the job goes out on the open market and they get somebody from Minnisota or Texas, example "ASRC job announcement for a Vac Truck driver 10 years experence". The local white boy who's paying child support on a 1/2 native kid in Barrow wasent even considerd for the job it went to a Minnasota fella.
(What kind of guy would has 10 years experence driveing a shit truck? How much stuff can go wrong with one on one in those 10 years that you would need that experence? I wouuld think that after the first 3-6 years driving a shit truck would limit ones options) this same rural fella had been living in bush Alaska "working on & off" since 1986 "and had the experence" + CDL + Flammable transport endoursement how could he not be qualified? Hell he was even in the State a resident and only 120 miles away and has vested his life to living in Alaska!!!!
All i figure is life isant supposed to make sence, you are better off just shrugging it off and going on, but still is there somthin against "Hireing Rural Alaskans" the folks who could shure use the income?? It shouldent matter if your native or not your a rural resident you should have just as much right to a job as the next and even more so for Alaska jobs should go to support Alaskans and the Alaskan economy.

SwedeSteve · 02-26-2009, 10:38 AM

Alaska has had it's commerce run by outsiders since the Gold Rush and the canneries first opened. One of the key problems is the refusal of the State to be its own steward. As far as local hire, historically, there hasn't been a large enough hiring pool to select from. Now that there is a good stable population, hiring practices need to be changed. A BIG stumbling block to this is the Native corporations. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a native preference for hiring within a Corp-owned business, rather there needs to be a hiring protocol that would go something like native preference, geographical pref, state resident pref, and so on.

Of course, that Outsider Good 'Ol Boy network comes in to play as well. Some company in Texas or Minnesota has a strangle hold on one facet of an industry, and only hires their own employees, etc.

Heck, I think there should be a State Income Tax for all nonresidents !! I also think there should be a Sales Tax for all nonresidents. Raise the fees for all nonresident licenses (fishing, hunting, guiding). Heck, throw in a Tourist fee of $100 for everyone that steps off a cruise ship. If I was Governor, I'd be standing at the Canadian border, welcoming everyone coming into Alaska. I'd say Welcome to Alaska !! That'll be $100 please !!

Rex in OTZ · 02-26-2009, 01:45 PM

I dont know about the border shakedown but a state wide 1% sales tax would be a start, Smart business with a hard edge - business's hireing from in state getting a most favord status from the state, mabe before issueing a state business licence they require 80-100% in-state hireing not conforming to that could get your licence yanked. Its stupid of the state not to get a handle in its resources and money being pipelined out of state is part of it.
My out of work friend just passed by last night and commented that the OTZ Alaska Job service computer couldent be used for much more than just looking at jobs seems serious jobs announced require sending them your resume via computer and filling out applications on-line, all of which the computer isant set up to do not any current updates and allot of data cannot be transferrd as program im-compatability, the office personnel give lip service but little else what is wrong with a little IT help from the State?.
as for labor pool ther's quite a few people willing to work and cannot afford to live in the Big city, with rent and car & insurance plus all the other stuff involved in maintainging a life style there allot of folks are perfictly comfortable living in a out the way place away from the Bustle of fast life.
It shure is hard to get on the Job Super Highway when you dont even have a way to even get on the onramp let alone the slow lane!
basicly it takes money to make money,
these folks would get there act together if they got a fair shake they dont expect charity just a fair chance at a decent paying job.
Example My baby sitter & her 3 kids live with her Ma and her brother & his girlfriend and there 2 kids and a grandparent and currently un-enployed uncle, only the gal and her brother are working (low wage jobs that barely cover elect, and city water sewer and garbage and phone & cable no more rat net) and the Mom and grandparent are drawing pension money (little as it is) they get heating assistance and Quest card, it easy to look down at this but multiply that by 30 other families in town in a simmular situation and 12 other villages in the region you get a bigger picture of what we have going on out here.

SwedeSteve · 02-28-2009, 10:13 AM

I would write the State Employment Office and complain about your computer there.

Rex in OTZ · 03-02-2009, 11:45 AM

I had heard about some Tv series that had been going awhile back. along the lines of the "deadliest catch" some sort of show about crab fishing in the Bearing sea area well I finally got a view of it a month ago and one the interesting things not many Alaskans working there, them darn migrateing workers from south the boarder again, boats not even from these parts, the money ther pulling in isant staying in state. kinda depressing seeing that.

deerhuntertyler · 04-15-2009, 06:12 PM

OK, I'm not sure what I'm getting into hear, but hear it goes. I currently live in Minnesota

, but when I turn 18 I'm planning on moving up there. I'm not planing on making a hole lot of money and I'm definitely not planning on moving away. So do you guys diss like people like me?

Rex in OTZ · 04-15-2009, 07:00 PM

If you were intending to work in state and buy a home here and spend your money here I dont have a problem with that the ones I have a problem with are the commuters the ones that take up jobs that alaskan workers "should be doing" they choose to spend there paycheck in california or washington state stimulating there local economies instead of our Alaskan one, I see it, it happens and will keep happening till the Alaskan Legislature does somthing constructive.
how'd ya feel if some big corporation moved in the next town over from you and paid decent money for the positions advertised, problem was applyiing for the job on-line (only way they dont give a telephone number either!) you e-mail off your application and never hear a word, you go to the work sight and the forman say's you have to go through the human resources office in a city 100's of miles away, next thing there's are plane loades of out of state workers fileing thru the airport catching the connecting flight to the job site. How'd ya feel about that? would it get your goat? supose thers allot your neighbors all bunched up living in small homes with extended family wanting a crack at them job's that nobody in your area gets to see.
How'd you feel?
I bet the local economy'd shure could use some that revinue, folks would have money to build homes and pay more utility's buy more produce filtering more money into the local economy stimulating growth and development
It doesent happen here.
Your in a better position of landing a Alaskan job being from where you are now than living in for example Noorvik Alaska.

Rex in OTZ · 06-29-2009, 08:54 PM

The economy is tough the out side company (Comico) is now bringing in more cheap south the border labor, thinning out more the locals.

02-25-2009, 05:49 PM	#1
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NorthWest Alaska Posts: 1,003	Money's not staying here Non resident workers Its been a passing interest of mine over the last few years the ammount of wealth mined out of this state (figurtave and literal) seems that the percentage of labor in the state is performed by "Commuter Labor" They live in say Seattle, Dallas, Oklahoma City and buy a plane ticket fly out here and live in the furnished facility's (room & board) saving all they make then get paid ther shift is up "2 on 2 off" they leave, none that $$ stays in state to stimulate alaskan commerce cause they dont stay here there removing a state resource, A accointance of mine has been doing some millwright work (Union) had commented that the highest percentage of North Slope labor pool is held by Non resident workers and a very low percentage is native or even rural (too costly to be from there). As a transplanted rural Nebraskan i was brought up to dance with the one who brung ya (ride for the brand) seems kinda immoral to work here but not live here. You like our state for its wealth and little else. also the out of state guides.........I know I cannot afford to hunt or fish as recreation to that extent (big$$) but why cant the guides be from in state? Seems its getting too costly to be a resident here? Its easy for a company to bid a job cheap and flush out there crews with cheap workers from south the boarder(Canadian) who work cheaper than Alaskans (gotta pay for that $7 a gallon heating oil? we cannot compeat!) they live where its cheap and make a wad o cash and flock back over the boarder living large. Last edited by Rex in OTZ; 02-25-2009 at 11:10 PM.

02-25-2009, 10:54 PM	#3
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NorthWest Alaska Posts: 1,003	Short sightedness. Whats interesting is in the land of OTZ its the Norm to have some raceism in hireing practices, its odd that a rural nonnative resident can be a member of a community for 20 years and be locked out of certain job markets whats not so funny is company state's outright that they have a native hireing prefrence if/when there are no qualified local natives the job goes out on the open market and they get somebody from Minnisota or Texas, example "ASRC job announcement for a Vac Truck driver 10 years experence". The local white boy who's paying child support on a 1/2 native kid in Barrow wasent even considerd for the job it went to a Minnasota fella. (What kind of guy would has 10 years experence driveing a shit truck? How much stuff can go wrong with one on one in those 10 years that you would need that experence? I wouuld think that after the first 3-6 years driving a shit truck would limit ones options) this same rural fella had been living in bush Alaska "working on & off" since 1986 "and had the experence" + CDL + Flammable transport endoursement how could he not be qualified? Hell he was even in the State a resident and only 120 miles away and has vested his life to living in Alaska!!!! All i figure is life isant supposed to make sence, you are better off just shrugging it off and going on, but still is there somthin against "Hireing Rural Alaskans" the folks who could shure use the income?? It shouldent matter if your native or not your a rural resident you should have just as much right to a job as the next and even more so for Alaska jobs should go to support Alaskans and the Alaskan economy. Last edited by Rex in OTZ; 02-25-2009 at 11:15 PM.

02-26-2009, 10:38 AM	#4
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,454	Alaska has had it's commerce run by outsiders since the Gold Rush and the canneries first opened. One of the key problems is the refusal of the State to be its own steward. As far as local hire, historically, there hasn't been a large enough hiring pool to select from. Now that there is a good stable population, hiring practices need to be changed. A BIG stumbling block to this is the Native corporations. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a native preference for hiring within a Corp-owned business, rather there needs to be a hiring protocol that would go something like native preference, geographical pref, state resident pref, and so on. Of course, that Outsider Good 'Ol Boy network comes in to play as well. Some company in Texas or Minnesota has a strangle hold on one facet of an industry, and only hires their own employees, etc. Heck, I think there should be a State Income Tax for all nonresidents !! I also think there should be a Sales Tax for all nonresidents. Raise the fees for all nonresident licenses (fishing, hunting, guiding). Heck, throw in a Tourist fee of $100 for everyone that steps off a cruise ship. If I was Governor, I'd be standing at the Canadian border, welcoming everyone coming into Alaska. I'd say Welcome to Alaska !! That'll be $100 please !! __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

02-26-2009, 01:45 PM	#5
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NorthWest Alaska Posts: 1,003	I dont know about the border shakedown but a state wide 1% sales tax would be a start, Smart business with a hard edge - business's hireing from in state getting a most favord status from the state, mabe before issueing a state business licence they require 80-100% in-state hireing not conforming to that could get your licence yanked. Its stupid of the state not to get a handle in its resources and money being pipelined out of state is part of it. My out of work friend just passed by last night and commented that the OTZ Alaska Job service computer couldent be used for much more than just looking at jobs seems serious jobs announced require sending them your resume via computer and filling out applications on-line, all of which the computer isant set up to do not any current updates and allot of data cannot be transferrd as program im-compatability, the office personnel give lip service but little else what is wrong with a little IT help from the State?. as for labor pool ther's quite a few people willing to work and cannot afford to live in the Big city, with rent and car & insurance plus all the other stuff involved in maintainging a life style there allot of folks are perfictly comfortable living in a out the way place away from the Bustle of fast life. It shure is hard to get on the Job Super Highway when you dont even have a way to even get on the onramp let alone the slow lane! basicly it takes money to make money, these folks would get there act together if they got a fair shake they dont expect charity just a fair chance at a decent paying job. Example My baby sitter & her 3 kids live with her Ma and her brother & his girlfriend and there 2 kids and a grandparent and currently un-enployed uncle, only the gal and her brother are working (low wage jobs that barely cover elect, and city water sewer and garbage and phone & cable no more rat net) and the Mom and grandparent are drawing pension money (little as it is) they get heating assistance and Quest card, it easy to look down at this but multiply that by 30 other families in town in a simmular situation and 12 other villages in the region you get a bigger picture of what we have going on out here. Last edited by Rex in OTZ; 02-26-2009 at 03:37 PM.

02-28-2009, 10:13 AM	#6
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,454	I would write the State Employment Office and complain about your computer there. __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

02-25-2009, 10:23 PM	#2
privateer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Anchorage , Alaska Posts: 1,043	Rex, man all I can do is nod my head, I hear ya and I cant agree more. Hell if it's not the seasonal workers it's the folks that live here full time but send the cash overseas ??? John

03-02-2009, 11:45 AM	#7
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NorthWest Alaska Posts: 1,003	Harvesting $$ and blowing on outta AK like your butt is on fire! I had heard about some Tv series that had been going awhile back. along the lines of the "deadliest catch" some sort of show about crab fishing in the Bearing sea area well I finally got a view of it a month ago and one the interesting things not many Alaskans working there, them darn migrateing workers from south the boarder again, boats not even from these parts, the money ther pulling in isant staying in state. kinda depressing seeing that.

04-15-2009, 06:12 PM	#8
deerhuntertyler Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Medford MN Posts: 427	OK, I'm not sure what I'm getting into hear, but hear it goes. I currently live in Minnesota , but when I turn 18 I'm planning on moving up there. I'm not planing on making a hole lot of money and I'm definitely not planning on moving away. So do you guys diss like people like me? __________________ I'm a farm boy who definitely isn't afraid of hard work! If its worth doing, its worth doing right!

04-15-2009, 07:00 PM	#9
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NorthWest Alaska Posts: 1,003	Living in AK or commuteing to AK are two different things If you were intending to work in state and buy a home here and spend your money here I dont have a problem with that the ones I have a problem with are the commuters the ones that take up jobs that alaskan workers "should be doing" they choose to spend there paycheck in california or washington state stimulating there local economies instead of our Alaskan one, I see it, it happens and will keep happening till the Alaskan Legislature does somthing constructive. how'd ya feel if some big corporation moved in the next town over from you and paid decent money for the positions advertised, problem was applyiing for the job on-line (only way they dont give a telephone number either!) you e-mail off your application and never hear a word, you go to the work sight and the forman say's you have to go through the human resources office in a city 100's of miles away, next thing there's are plane loades of out of state workers fileing thru the airport catching the connecting flight to the job site. How'd ya feel about that? would it get your goat? supose thers allot your neighbors all bunched up living in small homes with extended family wanting a crack at them job's that nobody in your area gets to see. How'd you feel? I bet the local economy'd shure could use some that revinue, folks would have money to build homes and pay more utility's buy more produce filtering more money into the local economy stimulating growth and development It doesent happen here. Your in a better position of landing a Alaskan job being from where you are now than living in for example Noorvik Alaska. Last edited by Rex in OTZ; 04-15-2009 at 07:07 PM.

06-29-2009, 08:54 PM	#10
Rex in OTZ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NorthWest Alaska Posts: 1,003	Cracking down. The economy is tough the out side company (Comico) is now bringing in more cheap south the border labor, thinning out more the locals.