X Bullet Will Knock You Down/Kill You Instantly!

12-29-2004, 11:02 PM

Can we find the person who started these claims and lynch him? No, your grandfather did not bowl a man over with his Colt 1911. That's mechanically impossible. Nor is any handgun (or rifle bullet) instantly lethal, and most of them lack the ability to mechanically incapacitate a human being. Read base of the skull and upper spine are about the only 'one shot' stops in existence, and those babies are easy to miss. Exploding someone's heart, windpipe, jugular or artery will disable and kill them. Eventually. They will still probably have a enough time to beat you to death with a baseball bat in the intervening seconds. Firearms, expecially handguns, stop people because they're painful and scary. I'm so sick of the 9mm vs. .45 argument: X BULLET DOES MORE TISSUE DAMAGE. That is so God !!!! irrelevant to stopping an attack. Unless you blow his medula oblongata out or destroy the spine above his arms, he's still going to be able to shoot back, hit you, beat you with a crowbar etc if he feels likely. The point of the bullet is to make him not feel like it. Many people will lose interest in clubbing you to death when you shoot them with a handgun that can deliver significant penetration (9mmx19 and up) because the sucking feeling in their chest and the burning holes are quite distracted. But make no mistake, those bullets have done jack !!!! to actually disable someone. Average human males beings deliver far more energy with a punch than a .454 Raging Bull or 12 gauge at point blank range. To equal the force of a good haymaker you have to go up to around 10gauge double barreled fired simeultaneously. This is why a good whack from a crowbar or a kick can cave in someone's face, ribs or knee but a bullet will tend to just make a nasty hole but leave the person relatively functional (if they feel like functioning). Until you get into the .30 rifles you really don't have any chance of rapid incapacitation, and even most of those shots stop people (in the short term) just because they feel so bad. The objective of a combat rifle is to remove a person long-term, thus 30-06 is better for the job than 5.56 or .357 magnum. However in a typical self-defense scenario the object is to stop the person short term by making him in pain, and for that anything of about 130g or more with a good 1000fps velocity is going to do the trick in most situations. It wouldn't be bad to have, for example, a .357 magnum or such but the difference this actually makes is probably minimal unless you get a lucky shot. If you really want to put someone down 00 Buck from a 12 gauge will #1 surprise them in the short term and #2 likely do so much organ damage to them so fast that they'll be dead or unconscious before they decide to retaliate.

01-11-2005, 06:20 AM

:insane: uhm..okay

colt45 · 01-11-2005, 12:12 PM

just what we needed another, balistics expert taht thinks he knows more than anyone who has seen anything first hand. another numbers cruncher. must be an enginer or something.
as far as bullet cavitation and one shot stops. they are all desinged to kill, not give you pain.

just one note budy, if your planing on sticking around and not being a troll.
try toneing it down a lil bit.

Shaun · 01-11-2005, 12:17 PM

Colt we see these types all the time -- if we want 1 stop shot statistics we can get them from the usual source FBI reviews of just such cases. IN this guys case he just seems to be throwing conclusions out with absolutely no real data to back anything up -- just an old arguement revisited.

Simple the best one shot stop is anything inflicting damage to the CNS whether it be from a 22 short to a howizter.

Indy7373 · 01-11-2005, 12:32 PM

Hey, I kinda enjoyed his rant. Fun to read, at least.

BadKarma · 01-11-2005, 07:23 PM

Right on.

geneinnc@charte · 01-11-2005, 07:50 PM

first thing we ALL asked our instructor @ NRA school....."what's the best defensive load?" we were all shocked with 12gage with number 6 shot. The blunt trauma from the 1" load at combat range (inside 21 feet) will stop the human heart from the shock, much less the pellets inside the body. and you don't have to worry about your "meglodefesive load going through 5 walls and killing an innocent. But from what I read above, a "haymaker from a human" packs more wallop." Maybe I've been watching the wrong boxing matches. It sure wouldn't be boring if every punch was fatal. Then again, who is the NRA Academy to know anything.......hahaha

01-11-2005, 09:15 PM

12 gauge is a big ole can of whoop*ss !

jerry · 01-11-2005, 09:22 PM

I don't like the source of the information or how it came to be.
However, I mentally noted how many people survived a close encounter with a 12 ga at Columbine after watching a documentry, assuming the sequence of events was accurate.

colt45 · 01-11-2005, 09:22 PM

yep can't go wrong with a shotgun of any size.

lefty o · 01-11-2005, 10:38 PM

forget the shotgun, a 5"-54 will remove you from the face of the earth, and it doesnt matter which bullet its loaded with. lol

01-12-2005, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lefty o

a 5"-54 will remove you from the face of the earth

what is that ? artillery ?

G Hollingsworth · 01-12-2005, 06:56 AM

What the heck is a X bullet. As a guess it's cutting the tip of the bullet. Well I don't go around shooting people so I wouldn't want to mess up a perfectly good bullet that miss the target. Jus a point the guys that protect the Pres.are trained to shoot three times two in the chest and one in the head. Finished business!

colt45 · 01-12-2005, 07:14 AM

i think he is refering to "X" as in a generic term for a bullet name. so that he didn't have to name them all while on his ignorant tie-raid.

Shaun · 01-12-2005, 08:46 AM

Barnes makes an X bullet of solid copper I agree the SS has the best approach Isreali Failure drills are the best way 2 to the chest in case of armour a followup to the head.

lefty o · 01-12-2005, 11:14 AM

LD, a 5"-54 is a naval gun, an exellent defense weapon - very very accurate at very long range. 5" is the bore diameter- 54 caliber(describes barrel length 54xbore diameter-22.5 foot barrel).

ducktapehero · 01-23-2005, 05:28 PM

Quote:

No, your grandfather did not bowl a man over with his Colt 1911. That's mechanically impossible

No it's not. I saw it on TV. :nod:

ShooMac · 01-25-2005, 11:40 AM

I gotta get me some of that X bullet! It sounds AWESOME! Does Wal-Mart sell them?

gunssb · 01-25-2005, 11:57 AM

I searched around just for the heck of it and there is actually one such X bullet:
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammunition/triple_0723/

edit: duh, didn't see Shaun's post - well the above link has a picture of the X bullet fired into jello

colt45 · 01-25-2005, 04:31 PM

i still think the original post was useing teh term "X" as in a generic sence not meaning this bullet.

01-11-2005, 12:12 PM	#3
colt45 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Occupied Territories of New York (Buffalo) Posts: 2,898	just what we needed another, balistics expert taht thinks he knows more than anyone who has seen anything first hand. another numbers cruncher. must be an enginer or something. as far as bullet cavitation and one shot stops. they are all desinged to kill, not give you pain. just one note budy, if your planing on sticking around and not being a troll. try toneing it down a lil bit. __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" -Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis "If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective." - Ted Nugent "Self-defense is Nature's eldest law." -John Dryden

01-11-2005, 12:17 PM	#4
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,592 Images: 1	Colt we see these types all the time -- if we want 1 stop shot statistics we can get them from the usual source FBI reviews of just such cases. IN this guys case he just seems to be throwing conclusions out with absolutely no real data to back anything up -- just an old arguement revisited. Simple the best one shot stop is anything inflicting damage to the CNS whether it be from a 22 short to a howizter. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

01-11-2005, 12:32 PM	#5
Indy7373 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Panhandle Florida Posts: 202	Hey, I kinda enjoyed his rant. Fun to read, at least. __________________ When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. MOLON LABE

01-11-2005, 09:22 PM	#9
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,870 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	I don't like the source of the information or how it came to be. However, I mentally noted how many people survived a close encounter with a 12 ga at Columbine after watching a documentry, assuming the sequence of events was accurate. __________________ I'm a down home back woods redneck

01-11-2005, 09:22 PM	#10
colt45 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Occupied Territories of New York (Buffalo) Posts: 2,898	yep can't go wrong with a shotgun of any size. __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" -Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis "If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective." - Ted Nugent "Self-defense is Nature's eldest law." -John Dryden

12-29-2004, 11:02 PM	#1
NonServium Guest Posts: n/a	X Bullet Will Knock You Down/Kill You Instantly! Can we find the person who started these claims and lynch him? No, your grandfather did not bowl a man over with his Colt 1911. That's mechanically impossible. Nor is any handgun (or rifle bullet) instantly lethal, and most of them lack the ability to mechanically incapacitate a human being. Read base of the skull and upper spine are about the only 'one shot' stops in existence, and those babies are easy to miss. Exploding someone's heart, windpipe, jugular or artery will disable and kill them. Eventually. They will still probably have a enough time to beat you to death with a baseball bat in the intervening seconds. Firearms, expecially handguns, stop people because they're painful and scary. I'm so sick of the 9mm vs. .45 argument: X BULLET DOES MORE TISSUE DAMAGE. That is so God !!!! irrelevant to stopping an attack. Unless you blow his medula oblongata out or destroy the spine above his arms, he's still going to be able to shoot back, hit you, beat you with a crowbar etc if he feels likely. The point of the bullet is to make him not feel like it. Many people will lose interest in clubbing you to death when you shoot them with a handgun that can deliver significant penetration (9mmx19 and up) because the sucking feeling in their chest and the burning holes are quite distracted. But make no mistake, those bullets have done jack !!!! to actually disable someone. Average human males beings deliver far more energy with a punch than a .454 Raging Bull or 12 gauge at point blank range. To equal the force of a good haymaker you have to go up to around 10gauge double barreled fired simeultaneously. This is why a good whack from a crowbar or a kick can cave in someone's face, ribs or knee but a bullet will tend to just make a nasty hole but leave the person relatively functional (if they feel like functioning). Until you get into the .30 rifles you really don't have any chance of rapid incapacitation, and even most of those shots stop people (in the short term) just because they feel so bad. The objective of a combat rifle is to remove a person long-term, thus 30-06 is better for the job than 5.56 or .357 magnum. However in a typical self-defense scenario the object is to stop the person short term by making him in pain, and for that anything of about 130g or more with a good 1000fps velocity is going to do the trick in most situations. It wouldn't be bad to have, for example, a .357 magnum or such but the difference this actually makes is probably minimal unless you get a lucky shot. If you really want to put someone down 00 Buck from a 12 gauge will #1 surprise them in the short term and #2 likely do so much organ damage to them so fast that they'll be dead or unconscious before they decide to retaliate.

01-11-2005, 06:20 AM	#2
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	:insane: uhm..okay

01-11-2005, 07:23 PM	#6
BadKarma Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 110	Right on.

01-11-2005, 07:50 PM	#7
geneinnc@charte Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3	first thing we ALL asked our instructor @ NRA school....."what's the best defensive load?" we were all shocked with 12gage with number 6 shot. The blunt trauma from the 1" load at combat range (inside 21 feet) will stop the human heart from the shock, much less the pellets inside the body. and you don't have to worry about your "meglodefesive load going through 5 walls and killing an innocent. But from what I read above, a "haymaker from a human" packs more wallop." Maybe I've been watching the wrong boxing matches. It sure wouldn't be boring if every punch was fatal. Then again, who is the NRA Academy to know anything.......hahaha

01-11-2005, 09:15 PM	#8
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	12 gauge is a big ole can of whoop*ss !

01-11-2005, 10:38 PM	#11
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,785	forget the shotgun, a 5"-54 will remove you from the face of the earth, and it doesnt matter which bullet its loaded with. lol

01-12-2005, 06:56 AM	#13
G Hollingsworth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 227	What the heck is a X bullet. As a guess it's cutting the tip of the bullet. Well I don't go around shooting people so I wouldn't want to mess up a perfectly good bullet that miss the target. Jus a point the guys that protect the Pres.are trained to shoot three times two in the chest and one in the head. Finished business!

01-12-2005, 07:14 AM	#14
colt45 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Occupied Territories of New York (Buffalo) Posts: 2,898	i think he is refering to "X" as in a generic term for a bullet name. so that he didn't have to name them all while on his ignorant tie-raid. __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" -Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis "If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective." - Ted Nugent "Self-defense is Nature's eldest law." -John Dryden

01-12-2005, 08:46 AM	#15
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,592 Images: 1	Barnes makes an X bullet of solid copper I agree the SS has the best approach Isreali Failure drills are the best way 2 to the chest in case of armour a followup to the head. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

01-12-2005, 11:14 AM	#16
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,785	LD, a 5"-54 is a naval gun, an exellent defense weapon - very very accurate at very long range. 5" is the bore diameter- 54 caliber(describes barrel length 54xbore diameter-22.5 foot barrel).

01-25-2005, 11:40 AM	#18
ShooMac Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 354	I gotta get me some of that X bullet! It sounds AWESOME! Does Wal-Mart sell them? __________________ "Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun." - Ash

01-25-2005, 11:57 AM	#19
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	I searched around just for the heck of it and there is actually one such X bullet: http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammunition/triple_0723/ edit: duh, didn't see Shaun's post - well the above link has a picture of the X bullet fired into jello

01-25-2005, 04:31 PM	#20
colt45 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Occupied Territories of New York (Buffalo) Posts: 2,898	i still think the original post was useing teh term "X" as in a generic sence not meaning this bullet. __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" -Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis "If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective." - Ted Nugent "Self-defense is Nature's eldest law." -John Dryden