Federal .22 issue. - Page 2

Uncle Red · 06-02-2007, 12:25 PM

Several years ago, late ‘80s- early ‘90s federal sold “CB caps” .22 shorts, longs and Long rifles that were made to be extremely quiet. In fact the ads in the gun rags of the time said that a kernel of pop corn popping was louder than one of the CB caps going off. I used to shoot them out of my Marlin 39A and all you could hear was the hammer falling and then the bullet impact. They would not cycle my brothers Marlin M60.

I haven’t seen any from Federal in years but I was told recently that CCI made and sold .22’s under the CB cap name here while back.

-UR

Gio · 06-02-2007, 01:08 PM

Speed of sound changes with elevation and weather.
So if it was a really good day or bad (dont know which way it works) speed of sound may be higher than the bullets velocity.

bigandrich44 · 06-02-2007, 01:40 PM

There was just a slight breeze, maybe 10 mph? Just enough to make me hold about an inch in front of the rabbits head to hit it.

lefty o · 06-02-2007, 03:03 PM

your problem is the bulk pack ammo. it is the lowest grade, inconsistent junk you can buy. they were underpowered, therefore they never broke the sound barrier and you never heard the "POP". inconsistant velocities, cause inconsistant accuracy. most noteable in rimfires due to the fact of how light the bullet and how slow they are. for plinking, the junk ammo is okay, for target work or hunting, especially at longer distances the cheap ammo is worthless.

bigandrich44 · 06-02-2007, 03:49 PM

Roger that. What would you suggest for hunting?

.22guy · 06-02-2007, 05:14 PM

CCI mini mag hollow points. Or Velocitors if you want a little more juice.

bigandrich44 · 06-02-2007, 05:51 PM

Are those available at Wally World? That's the closest place within 100 miles to get .22 and centerfire ammo.

.22guy · 06-02-2007, 06:05 PM

CCI mini-mags are available at my wal-mart, here in CA. I don't know that they carry velocitors. You might try looking online, or maybe at gun shows.

lefty o · 06-02-2007, 07:35 PM

i wouldnt suggest an ammo for you, you need to find what works best in your rifle. just dont buy bulk pack from any manufacturer.

Deersniper · 08-21-2007, 10:26 PM

A/H, you gave me a good idea. Somebody's cat keeps peeing on my front door.... I could save the owners a trip to get it neutered.

Garand9015 · 09-06-2007, 05:26 PM

try stingers fastest 22lr you can buy today. great for coyotes

A-10 · 09-06-2007, 06:24 PM

I shoot mostly the cheap bulk stuff and it works just fine every time. I have a growing respect for federal premium.

Triggerjerk · 09-06-2007, 06:46 PM

I have no trouble with Federal 550 bulk packs. They are much cleaner than Remington Golden. I need to take a cleaning rod and patches to the sandpit to mop out the barrel with Remingtons. With the Remingtons I regularly have primer failures, too.

I can regularly hit a 1 1/2 gallon jug at 65 yards with the Ruger MK II with any of the bulk ammo that I have tried. I am only disappointed with the Remington failure to fire and dirt.

A-10 · 09-06-2007, 07:04 PM

Yeah, the Remington Lightning High velocity ammo is not my favorite. I never had any failures with it, but it is definately some dirty ammunition.

Triggerjerk · 09-06-2007, 07:06 PM

I think that American Eagle was worse. I came home with black hands.

I am happy enough with the Federal 550 value pack that it is an important part of my ammo stash. I just rotate the bulk packs, and have a few hundred packs of CCI's.

ezearln · 09-06-2007, 07:13 PM

Hmmm seems like I have to disagree with some here, the Missus and I have been shooting bulk pack .22's for quite some time now and we as in the 2 of us have never had a misfire, stoppage or accuracy problem with any of it. Now maybe we have simply been blessed with pickin the right boxes up but I somehow doubt it. Our targets out to 100 yds seem to fair the same demise as those at 7. So I am not certain what is wrong with anyone elses bulk ammo.
Oh! AND PS: at this point we're at the 10,000 round mark for bulk .22's in just the Ruger. So updates? Comments?

Triggerjerk · 09-06-2007, 07:21 PM

I only have trouble with the Remington Goldens. I have quite a few failures to fire with them. In the Gun Digest Book of .22 Rimfire, the author, James House, measured the rims of lots of different .22's. The Remington Goldens were all over the page, and thinner than others. CCI's were more consistent and thicker.

A-10 · 09-06-2007, 08:18 PM

Well Earl, if you and your wife are just blessed with the luck of the ammo, then I am too. I agree 100 percent. I've easily hit targets with the cheap stuff out to 150 yards.

Choco · 09-06-2007, 08:36 PM

I haven't had much trouble with load 510 Federal Champions in my savage model 64F

ArkansasHunter · 09-06-2007, 11:40 PM

While out shooting my CZ 82 I took along my 22 Remington speedmaster that use to jam after the 2nd shot useing Remington brick ammo.

I bought a 50 round box of Federal Champion and they worked perfectly and were surprising accurate in my gun.

Are these low end 22 cartridges ???

06-02-2007, 12:25 PM	#21
Uncle Red Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 547	Several years ago, late ‘80s- early ‘90s federal sold “CB caps” .22 shorts, longs and Long rifles that were made to be extremely quiet. In fact the ads in the gun rags of the time said that a kernel of pop corn popping was louder than one of the CB caps going off. I used to shoot them out of my Marlin 39A and all you could hear was the hammer falling and then the bullet impact. They would not cycle my brothers Marlin M60. I haven’t seen any from Federal in years but I was told recently that CCI made and sold .22’s under the CB cap name here while back. -UR __________________ "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"--Amendment II, Bill of Rights "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."--Thomas Paine "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus, Luke 22:36

06-02-2007, 01:08 PM	#22
Gio Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 804 Images: 8	Speed of sound changes with elevation and weather. So if it was a really good day or bad (dont know which way it works) speed of sound may be higher than the bullets velocity. __________________ Blow you up.

06-02-2007, 01:40 PM	#23
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013	There was just a slight breeze, maybe 10 mph? Just enough to make me hold about an inch in front of the rabbits head to hit it. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

06-02-2007, 03:49 PM	#25
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013	Roger that. What would you suggest for hunting? __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

06-02-2007, 05:51 PM	#27
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013	Are those available at Wally World? That's the closest place within 100 miles to get .22 and centerfire ammo. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

06-02-2007, 03:03 PM	#24
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,812	your problem is the bulk pack ammo. it is the lowest grade, inconsistent junk you can buy. they were underpowered, therefore they never broke the sound barrier and you never heard the "POP". inconsistant velocities, cause inconsistant accuracy. most noteable in rimfires due to the fact of how light the bullet and how slow they are. for plinking, the junk ammo is okay, for target work or hunting, especially at longer distances the cheap ammo is worthless.

06-02-2007, 05:14 PM	#26
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,163	CCI mini mag hollow points. Or Velocitors if you want a little more juice.

06-02-2007, 06:05 PM	#28
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,163	CCI mini-mags are available at my wal-mart, here in CA. I don't know that they carry velocitors. You might try looking online, or maybe at gun shows.

06-02-2007, 07:35 PM	#29
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,812	i wouldnt suggest an ammo for you, you need to find what works best in your rifle. just dont buy bulk pack from any manufacturer.

08-21-2007, 10:26 PM	#30
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,703	Silent death A/H, you gave me a good idea. Somebody's cat keeps peeing on my front door.... I could save the owners a trip to get it neutered.

09-06-2007, 05:26 PM	#31
Garand9015 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 70	try stingers fastest 22lr you can buy today. great for coyotes

09-06-2007, 06:24 PM	#32
A-10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 734	I shoot mostly the cheap bulk stuff and it works just fine every time. I have a growing respect for federal premium.

09-06-2007, 06:46 PM	#33
Triggerjerk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 978	I have no trouble with Federal 550 bulk packs. They are much cleaner than Remington Golden. I need to take a cleaning rod and patches to the sandpit to mop out the barrel with Remingtons. With the Remingtons I regularly have primer failures, too. I can regularly hit a 1 1/2 gallon jug at 65 yards with the Ruger MK II with any of the bulk ammo that I have tried. I am only disappointed with the Remington failure to fire and dirt. __________________ We old dogs can learn new tricks. We just may not like performng them. TJ

09-06-2007, 07:04 PM	#34
A-10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 734	Yeah, the Remington Lightning High velocity ammo is not my favorite. I never had any failures with it, but it is definately some dirty ammunition.

09-06-2007, 07:06 PM	#35
Triggerjerk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 978	I think that American Eagle was worse. I came home with black hands. I am happy enough with the Federal 550 value pack that it is an important part of my ammo stash. I just rotate the bulk packs, and have a few hundred packs of CCI's. __________________ We old dogs can learn new tricks. We just may not like performng them. TJ Last edited by Triggerjerk; 09-06-2007 at 07:09 PM.

09-06-2007, 07:13 PM	#36
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	Hmmm seems like I have to disagree with some here, the Missus and I have been shooting bulk pack .22's for quite some time now and we as in the 2 of us have never had a misfire, stoppage or accuracy problem with any of it. Now maybe we have simply been blessed with pickin the right boxes up but I somehow doubt it. Our targets out to 100 yds seem to fair the same demise as those at 7. So I am not certain what is wrong with anyone elses bulk ammo. Oh! AND PS: at this point we're at the 10,000 round mark for bulk .22's in just the Ruger. So updates? Comments? __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

09-06-2007, 07:21 PM	#37
Triggerjerk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 978	I only have trouble with the Remington Goldens. I have quite a few failures to fire with them. In the Gun Digest Book of .22 Rimfire, the author, James House, measured the rims of lots of different .22's. The Remington Goldens were all over the page, and thinner than others. CCI's were more consistent and thicker. __________________ We old dogs can learn new tricks. We just may not like performng them. TJ

09-06-2007, 08:18 PM	#38
A-10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 734	Well Earl, if you and your wife are just blessed with the luck of the ammo, then I am too. I agree 100 percent. I've easily hit targets with the cheap stuff out to 150 yards.

09-06-2007, 08:36 PM	#39
Choco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 199	I haven't had much trouble with load 510 Federal Champions in my savage model 64F

09-06-2007, 11:40 PM	#40
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,722	While out shooting my CZ 82 I took along my 22 Remington speedmaster that use to jam after the 2nd shot useing Remington brick ammo. I bought a 50 round box of Federal Champion and they worked perfectly and were surprising accurate in my gun. Are these low end 22 cartridges ???