A couple years ago I bought a tin of Hungarian 182gr 7.62x54
milsurp boattail bullets. I pulled a bullet a few months ago
and when looking at the rear of the bullet where the boat
tail is I saw a neat hole that looked much like a large hollow
point from that end. The boattail when viewed backward
looks much like a Jacket hollow point pistol bullet.
I went to the range and shot about two dozen bullets
that I had pulled and reinserted backwards to test
accuracy to 50 yards and they grouped about
two inches with open sights off the bench which is about
as good as they shoot when pointy in first like normal.
These chronoed at 2705 fps about ten feet from muzzle.
I checked the bore after every shot to make sure nothing
funny going on just to be sure.
Well, on Sunday I nailed a 300 pound wild boar sow
in the butt with one and then again w/ broadside
quartering away on second shot while it was crawling
away from about 30 yards. Both bullets mushroomed
perfectly but man do they look funny with the pointy
end sticking out the back!
I found the first bullet in the intestines after shooting
through the ham and hip ball socket and the 2nd bullet
I found in the opposite side shoulder.
I couldnt hand load a hollow point hunting load for 3 or 4 times
the price I dont think ! I'm pretty stoked and thought
I would share.... I need to do some longer shooting
to see what happens at 100 yards next time at range
thought.
Welcome to G&G! While it seems to work, I would think it is dicey at best. I also think 100m group are gonna be as big as a garbage can lid. Just my opinion.
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Welcome to G&G! While it seems to work, I would think it is dicey at best. I also think 100m group are gonna be as big as a garbage can lid. Just my opinion.
I would have to agree with swede for a couple of reasons :
1 I think if the manufacture designed it to function with the pointed end out it was for a reason we dont know about , areodynamics?
2 I would be concerned with it chambering correctly every time and the full metal jacket being on the wrong end of the slug >>
I am sure that in the short term it would and does work fine but in a every day shootin situation I wouldnt do it .. Just another opinon
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I would say if it works do it! Try shooting some at 100 yards and see what happens. Just might work. Of course, the best part about this is to annoy Marion and Swede.
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Just hope that jacket doesn't strip off the lead core in the barrel; it can & might happen, if it does & you put another one up it you'll have a bulged barrel at best!! But it's your rifle!!
It might have been safer to just snip off the point & drill out the bullet to make your own hollow points.
I dont understand what "Dicey" means. I posted the story to tell you
it "does" work on the animal and I told you what the grouping is at
the ranges tested. That should translate to double size groups at 100
yards or 4 or 5 inches. I already told everyone that at 50 yards with
open sights the groups werent much bigger than my normal shooting.
This wasnt "everyday" shooting it was HUNTIN shooting. I wouldnt bother
to turn the bullets around for plinking.
As far as ballistics go, well of course the pointed end forward works best
at long range. That is why they invented pointed bullets ! But for short
work on HOGS I'm telling ya again its the trick!
BTW, if I didnt mention it was with my 99 dollar long barrel 91/30
( in other words it's NOT a semi auto and the feeding with my
diamond precision bolt :-) works fine )
I probably only have about 400 of these bullets left
so should I pay a dollar a bullet for hunting ammo ? ? Heck NO!
Just hope that jacket doesn't strip off the lead core in the barrel; it can & might happen, if it does & you put another one up it you'll have a bulged barrel at best!! But it's your rifle!!
It might have been safer to just snip off the point & drill out the bullet to make your own hollow points.
Boy that would not be a good day at the range! You sound like you speak from experience.
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Just hope that jacket doesn't strip off the lead core in the barrel; it can & might happen, if it does & you put another one up it you'll have a bulged barrel at best!! But it's your rifle!!
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With all due respect, that is why I shot two dozen of em at the range and
inspected my bore after each shot. These jackets are magnetic and extremely
thick and tough and with the boattail contour it is holding the lead in very well.
It just aint a problem although I did consider and test for it.
I'm not suggesting everyone try it with any old milsurp ammo, but if you have
the Hungarian 182 grain FMJ boattail stuff, I'd say go for it and if you have
a bunch go ahead and shoot some to make sure as I did.
Yup, I've seen the lot, Shotgun, rifle barrel & a pistol barrel bulged because of some obstruction in the barrel. The shotgun barrel had snow in it (sheer bloody carelessness), pistol barrel was with a squib load in a revolver and the firer never checked his barrel before firing the next round; we don't know why with the rifle barrel!
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Scottish understanding of "Dicey" is that it is spelled Dycey and came into use in the English language from early air force pilots who did their flight training at Dyce Airbase in Aberdeenshire. A dycey landing was taken as one similar to those made by inexperienced & novice pilots!
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[quote][/I dont understand what "Dicey" means.QUOTE]
Scottish understanding of "Dicey" is that it is spelled Dycey and came into use in the English language from early air force pilots who did their flight training at Dyce Airbase in Aberdeenshire. A dycey landing was taken as one similar to those made by inexperienced & novice pilots!
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Wouldn't it just be easier to take the cartridge to a bench grinder, grind off the tip of the bullet to expose the lead, then drill a hole in the lead? Presto, hollow point! And you'd still get the accuracy effects of the boattail, right?
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Hey Preventec whatever works is cool with me. I keep geting ragged on for firing .308 in my 7.62 rifles. And other things. But my question is....when are we getting invited to the pig roast?
Wouldn't it just be easier to take the cartridge to a bench grinder, grind off the tip of the bullet to expose the lead, then drill a hole in the lead?
Seems much easier to me to pull the bullets and reseat them backwards (no guessing on how much to grind, or how deep to drill, or what the final bullet weight might be). Besides that, it seems much more likely to have a jacket separation in the bore if the jacket is open at both ends.
Seems much easier to me to pull the bullets and reseat them backwards (no guessing on how much to grind, or how deep to drill, or what the final bullet weight might be). Besides that, it seems much more likely to have a jacket separation in the bore if the jacket is open at both ends.
I think the wisest thing is to just buck up the money to buy hollow points in the appropriate bore size and load them. The savings from either modification don't seem worth the risk. It's not like you're shooting hundreds of rounds while hunting.
Has anyone done what perdidochas suggests, to wit, handloaded hollow point rounds into 7.62x54R brass? If so, what are the specs on the bullet you used? What was the powder load? What kind of primer? Do you have chronograph or penetration data?
I've always thought the 7.62x54R round would make a really good deer round with hollowpoints to insure a quick, clean kill, but I haven't seen any in the stores like that. (Not that my not seeing them means much; my county doesn't allow rifles for deer hunting. You want to hunt deer with a rifle, you have to head north and west toward the middle of the state.) Does anyone have any experience with hollowpoint Mosin handloads?
I think the wisest thing is to just buck up the money to buy hollow points in the appropriate bore size and load them. The savings from either modification don't seem worth the risk. It's not like you're shooting hundreds of rounds while hunting.
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but like someone already said its your face, err gun....
What you described sounds very interesting, and your logic makes perfect sense. I think you have a great mind
and curiosity, and I respect that a lot. Who said that bullet can not have "pointed" bottom? There might be so advantage to it, with consideration that cross section for gas is the same, pointed or flat. In any case, you got pretty healthy imagination. There is absolutely no danger in shooting the bullet the way you did. Good thinking, brother.
What you described sounds very interesting, and your logic makes perfect sense. I think you have a great mind
and curiosity, and I respect that a lot. Who said that bullet can not have "pointed" bottom? There might be so advantage to it, with consideration that cross section for gas is the same, pointed or flat. In any case, you got pretty healthy imagination. There is absolutely no danger in shooting the bullet the way you did. Good thinking, brother.
I too admire his
ability to figure things out !
But you Sir are def incorrect in your assumption that it is entirely safe and are wrong in telling him so ! your basicly encourage an unsafe act .. Please dont encourage someone to do unsafe things with ammo .. I have been shooting fire arms in service and out for over 55 yrs and I Know its unsafe .. Do you have a degree in surplus ammo design?
nuff said.
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I am not going to stick my opinion in here, but I do think that everyone should read this before going on. I found it very informative and pretty interesting for sure. Altered Ammo
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