.223 winchester super short magnum

YugoM59/66 · 04-28-2008, 09:44 PM

can someone tell me about this .223 winchester super short magnum ammo.

samuel · 04-29-2008, 07:05 AM

The .223WSSM was introduced by Winchester/Browning.It was made by shortening the .300WSM and necking it to .223cal.It was rated as the fastest commercially loaded .22cal cartridge running about 4350fps..At present,Browning doesnt chamber for it and they didnt continue chambering for it in the M70 Wins they are manufacturing.There is no longer a commercially manufactured rifle being chambered for the .223WSSM.I still like them but they did have a chambering problem,and throat eroders.I guess they are a dead horse. sam.

GlennM · 04-29-2008, 08:08 AM

My brother-in-law bought a .223 WSSM at the same time I bought my .243 WSSM. Bass Pro Shop was closing out their M70's and we both got nice rifles for a great price. Amazingly, both have beautiful furniture also. The WSSMs were more of a marketing ploy, IMHO, and are for all practical purposes, wildcats. For the marginal increase in performance (about 300fps for my .243), compared to the increased cost for ammo, one could make a decent argument for WHY. I reload everything I shoot, and brass is higher, and of course you dump a bit more powder in each one, also.

His .223 WSSM doesn't shoot the tight groups that my 700 Rem .223 VS does, but it could be the shooter, too.

He's a few years older than me and doesn't shoot competition. And he's never let me shoot it....

I got my .243wssm to replace my 6MM PPC that had some throat erosion that had effectively taken it to the back seat for competition. Groups were opening up, so I got the wssm. I've never regretted it, but at the 600yd marker, the difference in groups between my standard .243 match gun (Ruger Varmint MK II) and the Win70 .243 WSSM is just splitting hairs.

Bottom line: If you have a reasonably comfortable wallet, a WSSM is fairly unique, and I'm an M70 fan anyway -- so it made sense for me. If you stumble into a good price for one, consider getting it. But know up-front she's going to cost a bit more to feed.

sell33 · 04-29-2008, 02:00 PM

Well i have the m70 featherweight in 223 wssm, but only because my dad won it at an NRA banquet. it is a beautiful gun and shoots like a gem also, but it is VERY expensive to feed, I don't reload. Also the ammo is hard to find around here. If i bought a gun it would not be a wssm because i do not believe it is practical for ammo purposes, or worth paying the extra for that 3-400 fps. It does outperform even the 22-250, and has beautiful ballistics. Unless you really wanna reach out there on yote/groundhogs/whatever else you shoot i would just stick with a standard cartridge personally. In fact i am hoping to trade dad's m70 for something more affordable if he lets me, even though i love it to death, just can't afford to feed it and thats no good.

Midas · 04-29-2008, 02:48 PM

All of the WSSM's appear to be dead and buried.

GlennM · 04-29-2008, 09:23 PM

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All of the WSSM's appear to be dead and buried.

Unless, of course, you have one, like it, and it shoots well.

04-28-2008, 09:44 PM	#1
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04-29-2008, 08:08 AM	#3
GlennM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 165 Blog Entries: 1	My brother-in-law bought a .223 WSSM at the same time I bought my .243 WSSM. Bass Pro Shop was closing out their M70's and we both got nice rifles for a great price. Amazingly, both have beautiful furniture also. The WSSMs were more of a marketing ploy, IMHO, and are for all practical purposes, wildcats. For the marginal increase in performance (about 300fps for my .243), compared to the increased cost for ammo, one could make a decent argument for WHY. I reload everything I shoot, and brass is higher, and of course you dump a bit more powder in each one, also. His .223 WSSM doesn't shoot the tight groups that my 700 Rem .223 VS does, but it could be the shooter, too. He's a few years older than me and doesn't shoot competition. And he's never let me shoot it.... I got my .243wssm to replace my 6MM PPC that had some throat erosion that had effectively taken it to the back seat for competition. Groups were opening up, so I got the wssm. I've never regretted it, but at the 600yd marker, the difference in groups between my standard .243 match gun (Ruger Varmint MK II) and the Win70 .243 WSSM is just splitting hairs. Bottom line: If you have a reasonably comfortable wallet, a WSSM is fairly unique, and I'm an M70 fan anyway -- so it made sense for me. If you stumble into a good price for one, consider getting it. But know up-front she's going to cost a bit more to feed. __________________ A Matter of Timing - A Novel for all Patriots. Sneak Preview & Links here: www.gmillercompanies.com Last edited by GlennM; 04-29-2008 at 08:10 AM.

04-29-2008, 02:48 PM	#5
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,814 Images: 2 Blog Entries: 6	All of the WSSM's appear to be dead and buried. __________________ "Recoil lasts for a second, gravity lasts forever"

04-29-2008, 07:05 AM	#2
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	The .223WSSM was introduced by Winchester/Browning.It was made by shortening the .300WSM and necking it to .223cal.It was rated as the fastest commercially loaded .22cal cartridge running about 4350fps..At present,Browning doesnt chamber for it and they didnt continue chambering for it in the M70 Wins they are manufacturing.There is no longer a commercially manufactured rifle being chambered for the .223WSSM.I still like them but they did have a chambering problem,and throat eroders.I guess they are a dead horse. sam.

04-29-2008, 02:00 PM	#4
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,194	Well i have the m70 featherweight in 223 wssm, but only because my dad won it at an NRA banquet. it is a beautiful gun and shoots like a gem also, but it is VERY expensive to feed, I don't reload. Also the ammo is hard to find around here. If i bought a gun it would not be a wssm because i do not believe it is practical for ammo purposes, or worth paying the extra for that 3-400 fps. It does outperform even the 22-250, and has beautiful ballistics. Unless you really wanna reach out there on yote/groundhogs/whatever else you shoot i would just stick with a standard cartridge personally. In fact i am hoping to trade dad's m70 for something more affordable if he lets me, even though i love it to death, just can't afford to feed it and thats no good.