no .223 till 2012?

aris_unlimited · 04-28-2009, 12:31 AM

Was just talking to a guy on one of the other forums I am on and he said that the people at cabelas told him there would not be any other .223 ammo shipped till 2012. Anyone wanna confirm this?

Mooseman684 · 04-28-2009, 12:34 AM

What Brand ??? There is Import stuff still available like Wolf, Etc...

Rich

aris_unlimited · 04-28-2009, 12:52 AM

As far as I understand it all brands. Cabelas supplier will not send it to them.

samuel · 04-28-2009, 01:18 AM

I am not one to go off on a conspiracy plan,but this sounds strange.Never saw it happen before. sam.

99z28monster · 04-28-2009, 01:29 AM

sounds like some BS, you should ask the manufacture first hand.

wunhunglo · 04-28-2009, 01:57 AM

What, in Capitalist America?????????????????? I'm sure that there are container loads on their way to the States right now from all over the world.

99z28monster · 04-28-2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wunhunglo

What, in Capitalist America?????????????????? I'm sure that there are container loads on their way to the States right now from all over the world.

Their better be or we will invade some 3rd world country

Mooseman684 · 04-28-2009, 02:04 AM

Funny...I just saw where Winchester is laying off workers because they are caught up on ammo Manufacturing. They are filling Govt Contracts, so there should be ammo available soon. I know that Sportsmans Warehouse din't pay their suppliers and are filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy , and the suppliers arent sending them anything...

wunhunglo · 04-28-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 99z28monster

Their better be or we will invade some 3rd world country

Not a great idea going on past experiences. That's what's caused the current shortages.

99z28monster · 04-28-2009, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wunhunglo

Not a great idea going on past experiences. That's what's caused the current shortages.

Its ok we will have a bail out plan for the shortages next week. It's the cool new thing to do. Guess us soldiers need to work on our marksmanship to conserve ammo.

Cyrano · 04-28-2009, 08:13 AM

Don't pooh-pooh the idea of invading some country we can beat so quickly, wun. If anyone in the Obama administration reads history, they will know that what truly completed America's recovery from the Great Depression was World War II.

Unfortunately, since the intellectual depth of those people is about that of a puddle of piss, they won't have read the second and third paragraphs. That's where the historians tell you that the things which began pulling us out were FDR's getting the funding to build a modern two-ocean Navy, expand the Army Air Corps into the Army Air Force, exponentially increase the size of the peacetime Army; and selling munitions on a cash and carry basis to France, England and any other free nation with the money to pay for them. Things are different today.

At least some of the American citizenry (I've not forgotten the "America First" isolationists) could see that the Nazis and the Fascists and to a lesser extent the Japanese militarists were menaces to the Western world and had to be fought before they got too big to be taken down by conventional force of arms. Nuclear weapons did not then exist. Today they are a final option too gruesome to contemplate - but that card is in the deck.

Today no one is going to buy American munitions when there's so much Cold War-era stuff available at a tenth the price a lot closer to the scene of the action. Further, because there is no nation-threatening warfare going on now (by which I mean the threat of a new Hitler invading your country from without and conquering it to annex it as part of some new Reich), no one is buying in the quantity and type of war equipment we'd need to significantly ease what folks like Jim Jubak are calling the Great Recession. We made a lot of money selling warplanes to France, England, Holland, and Canada; and repairing or overhauling Royal Navy warships in U.S. shipyards. Those circumstances are not likely to repeat; nor do we have the warplanes to sell. (Especially not when Obama is talking about canceling the F-22 program and drastically scaling back the F-35 program, and after the Indians destroyed the myth of the F-15's invincibility last fall.)

We can't make up the difference with consumer products. Not when GM is about to become a government-controlled corporation, Chrysler is in the toilet and Ford is circling the rim; and foreign carmakers like Nissan, Suzuki, Honda and, let it be said, Tata can undercut American carmakers with products as good or better at a much lower cost. We can't make it up with commercial airplanes. In 1940, the vast majority of commercial airplanes were made here by Douglas, Boeing, Lockheed and Convair. Today the only one of these that still makes commercial airplanes is Boeing, and they face challenges by Airbus (which is backed by two governments) and the Russians, who are building and selling Soviet-era designed airliners. We can't make it up with large consumer goods like washers, dryers, freezers, stoves, and televisions. Not when you have half the parts and assembly being done outside the United States, companies like LG (which stands for "Lucky Goldstar," a point the retailers won't tell you because they don't want it known that LG is a ChiCom company) matching American pricing in their products if not always the quality, and practically no large televisions being built here.

We've turned into a service economy to a frightening extent. And you are not going to generate the kind of money you need to quickly recover from the hole Curious George and the Obamination have dropped us into with what can be generated from a service economy.

On the other hand, a good-sized war would provide a lovely rathole to pour money into, to get that money into the economy, loosen up the banks and get the economy moving again. The big problem with this is that said money would be fiat money taken from elsewhere in the economy or simply cranked out on printing presses with reduced purchasing power, not hard cash money coming in from outside to fill in the hole Moron No. 1 and Moron No. 2 have made for America.

To get out of this hole, we need hard money from outside flowing to us; not American money flowing away from us to shore up places like Iraq and Pakistan. That in turn means we have to have something substantial to sell the world that the world wants to buy. We can't do it with agricultural goods. We can't do it with insubstantials. We can't do it with pharmaceuticals. We need to do it with hard goods. A lot of them. But which ones, and where are they? What markets can we sell them to? And do those markets have the cash to buy them?

Now do you see why I feel that the current administration will be backing off on some of those campaign promises, despite Obama's jabber-jawing at every tinpot dictator in the Western Hemisphere and playing the Peanut Farmer card at Iran? And why in six or eight months they might decide a good-sized war would be just the thing to pull our economy out of the hole it is in?

SwedeSteve · 04-28-2009, 11:01 AM

My local Gun Shop just got in 4 or 5,000 rds of PMC 5.56/223.

cremley · 04-28-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Funny...I just saw where Winchester is laying off workers because they are caught up on ammo Manufacturing. They are filling Govt Contracts, so there should be ammo available soon. I know that Sportsmans Warehouse din't pay their suppliers and are filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy , and the suppliers arent sending them anything...

Yea, the sportsmans near me shut its doors a week ago. I can't hardly find anything now.

cremley · 04-28-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano

Don't pooh-pooh the idea of invading some country we can beat so quickly, wun. If anyone in the Obama administration reads history, they will know that what truly completed America's recovery from the Great Depression was World War II.

Technically, it wasn't the war itself, it was all of the young men buying a bunch of stuff when they got back including affordable housing.

tlarkin · 04-28-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cremley

Technically, it wasn't the war itself, it was all of the young men buying a bunch of stuff when they got back including affordable housing.

It was also a part of FDR's the New Deal as well which helped boost our economy. War will boost economy, but back then we didn't outsource, so war really hurts our economy now.

lightspeed68 · 04-28-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aris_unlimited

Was just talking to a guy on one of the other forums I am on and he said that the people at cabelas told him there would not be any other .223 ammo shipped till 2012. Anyone wanna confirm this?

I just bought a thousand rounds of wolf for $329.00 on gunbroker.

deadzero · 04-29-2009, 06:02 AM

I'm still getting shipments, altho sporadic, not weekly, of 223 and 5.56. .223 in rem. 20 rd, 50 rd, and 200 rd boxes. hornady V-max in 20rd. 5.56 in Win 20 rd. and american eagle in 200 rd boxes (LC brass). most is still in stock (223 rem 20 and 50 boxes i may be out of but another truck arives later in the week.)

so I don't know why they would tell you no ammo till 2012. I'm still rolling ammo off the shelf (Handgun mostly) but shipments are still coming in, somewhat. (no 380 in a while now). I know our wherehouse has no backstock.

sdixon666 · 05-12-2009, 04:01 PM

We have been and will continue to ship out the same quantity of ammunition that we have been shipping out for the past few years. The public has increased its purchasing of our ammunition causing a shortage. Our distributors will be receiving another shipment in towards the middle of June. If you can provide us with your mailing address we will gladly send you a list of all the nearest distributors to you. You can then contact them directly to fun out pricing and availability.

Sincerely, wolf

gandog56 · 05-12-2009, 05:48 PM

I'm going tomorrow and shoot off about 3-400 rounds of it I reloaded!

SH(.)(.)TER · 08-21-2009, 01:25 PM

There doesn't seem to be a shortage of ammo being sold on GunBroker!
I have noticed that there used to be plenty of Black Talons for sale if
you wanted it but not anymore.

04-28-2009, 12:31 AM	#1
aris_unlimited Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Payson, UT Posts: 217	no .223 till 2012? Was just talking to a guy on one of the other forums I am on and he said that the people at cabelas told him there would not be any other .223 ammo shipped till 2012. Anyone wanna confirm this? __________________ "Strength is not in numbers, it's in singular determination." Life Member NRA Life Member NAHC

04-28-2009, 12:34 AM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 12,788	What Brand ??? There is Import stuff still available like Wolf, Etc... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-28-2009, 12:52 AM	#3
aris_unlimited Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Payson, UT Posts: 217	As far as I understand it all brands. Cabelas supplier will not send it to them. __________________ "Strength is not in numbers, it's in singular determination." Life Member NRA Life Member NAHC

04-28-2009, 01:29 AM	#5
99z28monster Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: ottawa, KS/ Ft.drum NY Posts: 1,252	sounds like some BS, you should ask the manufacture first hand. __________________ In peace, sons bury their fathers. In war, fathers bury their sons. Herodotus

04-28-2009, 01:57 AM	#6
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 4,842	What, in Capitalist America?????????????????? I'm sure that there are container loads on their way to the States right now from all over the world. __________________ How can I 'Soar with the Eagles' when I'm working with such 'Turkeys'!

04-28-2009, 01:18 AM	#4
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 12,472	I am not one to go off on a conspiracy plan,but this sounds strange.Never saw it happen before. sam.

04-28-2009, 02:04 AM	#8
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 12,788	Funny...I just saw where Winchester is laying off workers because they are caught up on ammo Manufacturing. They are filling Govt Contracts, so there should be ammo available soon. I know that Sportsmans Warehouse din't pay their suppliers and are filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy , and the suppliers arent sending them anything... __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-28-2009, 08:13 AM	#11
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 8,220	Don't pooh-pooh the idea of invading some country we can beat so quickly, wun. If anyone in the Obama administration reads history, they will know that what truly completed America's recovery from the Great Depression was World War II. Unfortunately, since the intellectual depth of those people is about that of a puddle of piss, they won't have read the second and third paragraphs. That's where the historians tell you that the things which began pulling us out were FDR's getting the funding to build a modern two-ocean Navy, expand the Army Air Corps into the Army Air Force, exponentially increase the size of the peacetime Army; and selling munitions on a cash and carry basis to France, England and any other free nation with the money to pay for them. Things are different today. At least some of the American citizenry (I've not forgotten the "America First" isolationists) could see that the Nazis and the Fascists and to a lesser extent the Japanese militarists were menaces to the Western world and had to be fought before they got too big to be taken down by conventional force of arms. Nuclear weapons did not then exist. Today they are a final option too gruesome to contemplate - but that card is in the deck. Today no one is going to buy American munitions when there's so much Cold War-era stuff available at a tenth the price a lot closer to the scene of the action. Further, because there is no nation-threatening warfare going on now (by which I mean the threat of a new Hitler invading your country from without and conquering it to annex it as part of some new Reich), no one is buying in the quantity and type of war equipment we'd need to significantly ease what folks like Jim Jubak are calling the Great Recession. We made a lot of money selling warplanes to France, England, Holland, and Canada; and repairing or overhauling Royal Navy warships in U.S. shipyards. Those circumstances are not likely to repeat; nor do we have the warplanes to sell. (Especially not when Obama is talking about canceling the F-22 program and drastically scaling back the F-35 program, and after the Indians destroyed the myth of the F-15's invincibility last fall.) We can't make up the difference with consumer products. Not when GM is about to become a government-controlled corporation, Chrysler is in the toilet and Ford is circling the rim; and foreign carmakers like Nissan, Suzuki, Honda and, let it be said, Tata can undercut American carmakers with products as good or better at a much lower cost. We can't make it up with commercial airplanes. In 1940, the vast majority of commercial airplanes were made here by Douglas, Boeing, Lockheed and Convair. Today the only one of these that still makes commercial airplanes is Boeing, and they face challenges by Airbus (which is backed by two governments) and the Russians, who are building and selling Soviet-era designed airliners. We can't make it up with large consumer goods like washers, dryers, freezers, stoves, and televisions. Not when you have half the parts and assembly being done outside the United States, companies like LG (which stands for "Lucky Goldstar," a point the retailers won't tell you because they don't want it known that LG is a ChiCom company) matching American pricing in their products if not always the quality, and practically no large televisions being built here. We've turned into a service economy to a frightening extent. And you are not going to generate the kind of money you need to quickly recover from the hole Curious George and the Obamination have dropped us into with what can be generated from a service economy. On the other hand, a good-sized war would provide a lovely rathole to pour money into, to get that money into the economy, loosen up the banks and get the economy moving again. The big problem with this is that said money would be fiat money taken from elsewhere in the economy or simply cranked out on printing presses with reduced purchasing power, not hard cash money coming in from outside to fill in the hole Moron No. 1 and Moron No. 2 have made for America. To get out of this hole, we need hard money from outside flowing to us; not American money flowing away from us to shore up places like Iraq and Pakistan. That in turn means we have to have something substantial to sell the world that the world wants to buy. We can't do it with agricultural goods. We can't do it with insubstantials. We can't do it with pharmaceuticals. We need to do it with hard goods. A lot of them. But which ones, and where are they? What markets can we sell them to? And do those markets have the cash to buy them? Now do you see why I feel that the current administration will be backing off on some of those campaign promises, despite Obama's jabber-jawing at every tinpot dictator in the Western Hemisphere and playing the Peanut Farmer card at Iran? And why in six or eight months they might decide a good-sized war would be just the thing to pull our economy out of the hole it is in?

04-28-2009, 11:01 AM	#12
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,432	My local Gun Shop just got in 4 or 5,000 rds of PMC 5.56/223. __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

04-29-2009, 06:02 AM	#17
deadzero Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: deep in the swamps SC Posts: 1,404	I'm still getting shipments, altho sporadic, not weekly, of 223 and 5.56. .223 in rem. 20 rd, 50 rd, and 200 rd boxes. hornady V-max in 20rd. 5.56 in Win 20 rd. and american eagle in 200 rd boxes (LC brass). most is still in stock (223 rem 20 and 50 boxes i may be out of but another truck arives later in the week.) so I don't know why they would tell you no ammo till 2012. I'm still rolling ammo off the shelf (Handgun mostly) but shipments are still coming in, somewhat. (no 380 in a while now). I know our wherehouse has no backstock.

05-12-2009, 04:01 PM	#18
sdixon666 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: delano ca Posts: 4	this is from wolf ammo i e mailed them an this is what they said We have been and will continue to ship out the same quantity of ammunition that we have been shipping out for the past few years. The public has increased its purchasing of our ammunition causing a shortage. Our distributors will be receiving another shipment in towards the middle of June. If you can provide us with your mailing address we will gladly send you a list of all the nearest distributors to you. You can then contact them directly to fun out pricing and availability. Sincerely, wolf

05-12-2009, 05:48 PM	#19
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 13,935	I'm going tomorrow and shoot off about 3-400 rounds of it I reloaded! __________________ People think I'm paranoid because I own guns. If I own guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?

08-21-2009, 01:25 PM	#20
SH(.)(.)TER Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: TEXAS Posts: 25	There doesn't seem to be a shortage of ammo being sold on GunBroker! I have noticed that there used to be plenty of Black Talons for sale if you wanted it but not anymore.