What rifle and why in a combat situation? - Page 3

NRAJOE · 12-07-2004, 09:04 PM

I prefer the Romanian drums...load from the top....

Mandy · 12-07-2004, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NRAJOE

I prefer the Romanian drums...load from the top....

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That's exactly what I don't like, I like to have them loaded and crank it when needed.

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DocCombat · 12-10-2004, 08:15 AM

Well thinking back to Iraq, I cleaned my M4 every day after operations. But this is normal maintenance and what a well trained soldier does cause his life depends on his weapon. And every weapon system needed to be cleaned often and regularly over there if you wanted it to function and fire when needed. No matter what maker or type. But they did not have to be spotless to function. The M4-M16 is not as high maintenance as the rumors make it out to be. But for the desert I found that Rem oil worked well in these conditions as it did not attract as much heavy dirt as CLP. And most of the "cleaning" was just a quick brush off and wipe down of the bolt and inside the receiver, a couple patches thru the barrel, relube lightly and wipe down the exterior to get the dust and dirt off.
Plus I carried 12 30rd mags plus all my gear and IBA and trauma bag and dident feel my load was overly heavy. Couldent do that with 308./ 7.62X51.
So I would take my M4 again, just wish the ballistics dident drop off so bad after 250 meters.

MAX7.62 · 12-10-2004, 09:05 PM

I'm with FALPhil, go figure! I,ve got quite a few FAL's and have beat the guts out of most of them - and they just keep working.
AK's don't quit either, I may have mentioned one particular AK post dealer sample (built from an SAR1) at the shop. It's got close to 300,000 rounds through it, may get cleaned once a year whether it needs it or not, regularly gets a few drums run through it in spray and pray gear until it's too hot to hold whereupon we will unceremoniously throw it into a muddy water puddle after removing the last drum. After it quits spitting, popping and steaming we will shake the water off, check the chamber and bore, stick in another drum and cook 'er again. This rifle has never failed to work - it's amazing.
I have one M1A and for no other excuse - it's just too pretty to grab and hit the bush with. Again, being a FAL nut I have 3 in particular that would be the picking group in the event of SHTF, but the others are like the Springfield - too pretty to use for what they were originally designed.
Bottom line for me - WHATEVER I would grab on the way out the door will absolutly be 7.62X51 - no substitute for horsepower! .223 is just a hotrod squirrel killer round IMHO.

NorCalAshnjikov · 12-12-2004, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LOCKnLOAD

with the long range left to a bolt action since it is more accurate at long distance than the semi-auto

Why spread that BS (its just a popular misconception)?
Action doesn't affect the accuracy of the gun.

whitley · 12-16-2004, 11:51 AM

The Soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are finding that the M16 with a 223 round is inadequate for distance, power and the inability to go thru walls and vehicles. They're looking at the M14 or variants to do the job. Some designated sharpshooters or snipers are now being issued the M14. The New Springfield Carbine in 308 looks interesting.

Dennis · 12-16-2004, 02:03 PM

This is resurecting an old thread
I like the M1 Garand
range and power.
I like the ak
I like the ar15
hell do I have to make a choice?
if its close range house by house a good hicap shotgun
medium range M1
long range M1

willypete · 01-14-2005, 12:13 AM

i would grab my AK for CQB in a heartbeat.. My friends thought that i wasted my money on the AK when i told em i bought one but now everyone wants to fire it. I love my AK it is just the right mix (for me) of simple function, extreme reliability, firepower, ... basically choose your guns based on your needs and deires not just a popularity contest

Gunnie Ed · 02-01-2005, 12:15 PM

it really depends on the situation and environment.

if going into a densly packed urban area i'd go with a 12 ga. trench gun. as it exells in that environment, and what gets hit by it, rarely gets back up.

if moving across lagre, open areas, a good battle rifle, somewhat like a cross between the FAL and the SKS, only lighter, and chabered for 6.5mm swede. as it would allow for good long range preformance.

if moving through a jungle/heavily forrested area i'd opt for a carbine version of the rifle previousley described for manegability.

if we're talking about mechanized warfare, and needed to be as unencumbered as possible, i'd use a sub machine gun based on the Sten, only chaimbered for .357 magnum. this is because it's light, has a good fire rate, and would be able to take care of just about anything i went up against. i mean, if a .357 can kill a bull walrus, it'll do fine against a human.

naturally, in all the scenarios i'd have a sidearm and a bayonet.

the sidearm would be a modified Hi Power, chaimbered for 9x25mm. simply because, after shooting several military-grade pistols, including the M92, the .38 special revolver, the Astra .380, and the Hi Power, i have found the Hi Power is the most comfortable to shoot, has a nice refire rate, an compfrotable amount of ready ammunition, and is far more reliable than the 92.

the bayo would be a Ka-Bar with an unserrated blade.

PAPA G · 02-01-2005, 03:13 PM

fer Gods sake..................

so just how many of you armchair Rambo's gonna really be in such a situation??? half of us is just to decrept to do anything but wet our pants, and the rest are still wet behind the ears. the guys in harms way have NO choice in dream weapons, just what Uncle Sam says take.

Dogbert2 · 02-01-2005, 05:07 PM

M1-A1 carbine

Compact, Effective, Realitivly accurate and realiable.

:assult:

willypete · 02-01-2005, 07:56 PM

a professional soldier is a weapon and anything you give him is merely a tool. remember RAMBO II when he said that the mind was the best weapon. all of our cool guns are useless without a someone to pull the trigger...

Gunnie Ed · 02-02-2005, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PAPA G

fer Gods sake..................

so just how many of you armchair Rambo's gonna really be in such a situation??? half of us is just to decrept to do anything but wet our pants, and the rest are still wet behind the ears. the guys in harms way have NO choice in dream weapons, just what Uncle Sam says take.

that's true.

although i'm assuming that this is like, one of those things for people who aren't in the military. like in one of those "Red Dawn" scenarios or something.

PAPA G · 02-02-2005, 02:54 AM

FREEDOM'S JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR...NOTHIN' LEFT TO LOSE.

movie scenarios aside. i beleive the slow erosion of our freedom and liberty will be a little bit here a tad there, so that the general populace will not see it coming.

Thrawn · 02-02-2005, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PAPA G

fer Gods sake..................

so just how many of you armchair Rambo's gonna really be in such a situation??? half of us is just to decrept to do anything but wet our pants, and the rest are still wet behind the ears. the guys in harms way have NO choice in dream weapons, just what Uncle Sam says take.
FREEDOM'S JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR...NOTHIN' LEFT TO LOSE.

movie scenarios aside. i beleive the slow erosion of our freedom and liberty will be a little bit here a tad there, so that the general populace will not see it coming.

Ain"t we just a party pooper.

Thrawn · 02-02-2005, 05:04 AM

I'll probably use a flintlock, the bad guys will figure I'm a head case and will leave me alone so as to not risk hurting me. Heck they might even get me some of that free government money so they won't have to feel bad about me working with a medical disorder.

sgtjohnson · 02-05-2005, 06:40 PM

I would pick the AK-47 or the M-14. Just because of their reliability. :flame::uzi: :assult:

gunssb · 02-05-2005, 07:35 PM

no one said mosin nagant ? :jaw:

Thrawn · 02-05-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gunssb

no one said mosin nagant ? :jaw:

yeah i'll have one for back up jus in case my frizzen gets wet.

NRAJOE · 02-06-2005, 05:17 AM

PAPPA G's "frizzen" is always wet...

View Poll Results: Which do you select in combat and bet your life with?
AR15, M16 varient	60	32.61%
AK47, AK74	54	29.35%
Mini-14	8	4.35%
M14	46	25.00%
M1 Garand	15	8.15%
M1 Carbine	5	2.72%
G3, FAL	24	13.04%
...others not mentioned	20	10.87%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 184. You may not vote on this poll

12-07-2004, 09:04 PM	#41
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,043 Images: 3	I prefer the Romanian drums...load from the top.... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-10-2004, 08:15 AM	#43
DocCombat Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: FBNC Posts: 96	Well thinking back to Iraq, I cleaned my M4 every day after operations. But this is normal maintenance and what a well trained soldier does cause his life depends on his weapon. And every weapon system needed to be cleaned often and regularly over there if you wanted it to function and fire when needed. No matter what maker or type. But they did not have to be spotless to function. The M4-M16 is not as high maintenance as the rumors make it out to be. But for the desert I found that Rem oil worked well in these conditions as it did not attract as much heavy dirt as CLP. And most of the "cleaning" was just a quick brush off and wipe down of the bolt and inside the receiver, a couple patches thru the barrel, relube lightly and wipe down the exterior to get the dust and dirt off. Plus I carried 12 30rd mags plus all my gear and IBA and trauma bag and dident feel my load was overly heavy. Couldent do that with 308./ 7.62X51. So I would take my M4 again, just wish the ballistics dident drop off so bad after 250 meters. __________________ The best medicine on the battlefeild is fire superiority. Doc C. Last edited by DocCombat; 12-10-2004 at 08:26 AM.

12-10-2004, 09:05 PM	#44
MAX7.62 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Classified Posts: 934	I'm with FALPhil, go figure! I,ve got quite a few FAL's and have beat the guts out of most of them - and they just keep working. AK's don't quit either, I may have mentioned one particular AK post dealer sample (built from an SAR1) at the shop. It's got close to 300,000 rounds through it, may get cleaned once a year whether it needs it or not, regularly gets a few drums run through it in spray and pray gear until it's too hot to hold whereupon we will unceremoniously throw it into a muddy water puddle after removing the last drum. After it quits spitting, popping and steaming we will shake the water off, check the chamber and bore, stick in another drum and cook 'er again. This rifle has never failed to work - it's amazing. I have one M1A and for no other excuse - it's just too pretty to grab and hit the bush with. Again, being a FAL nut I have 3 in particular that would be the picking group in the event of SHTF, but the others are like the Springfield - too pretty to use for what they were originally designed. Bottom line for me - WHATEVER I would grab on the way out the door will absolutly be 7.62X51 - no substitute for horsepower! .223 is just a hotrod squirrel killer round IMHO. __________________ The Second Amendment, it ain't about DUCK HUNTING! I feel more like I do now that I did when I first got here!

12-16-2004, 11:51 AM	#46
whitley Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Reno Posts: 46	Whitley The Soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are finding that the M16 with a 223 round is inadequate for distance, power and the inability to go thru walls and vehicles. They're looking at the M14 or variants to do the job. Some designated sharpshooters or snipers are now being issued the M14. The New Springfield Carbine in 308 looks interesting. __________________ :assult: WHITLEY :uzi:

12-16-2004, 02:03 PM	#47
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	This is resurecting an old thread I like the M1 Garand range and power. I like the ak I like the ar15 hell do I have to make a choice? if its close range house by house a good hicap shotgun medium range M1 long range M1 __________________ Submitted with respect to all

01-14-2005, 12:13 AM	#48
willypete Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: texas Posts: 51	i would grab my AK for CQB in a heartbeat.. My friends thought that i wasted my money on the AK when i told em i bought one but now everyone wants to fire it. I love my AK it is just the right mix (for me) of simple function, extreme reliability, firepower, ... basically choose your guns based on your needs and deires not just a popularity contest

02-01-2005, 12:15 PM	#49
Gunnie Ed Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: three clicks left of center. Posts: 808	it really depends on the situation and environment. if going into a densly packed urban area i'd go with a 12 ga. trench gun. as it exells in that environment, and what gets hit by it, rarely gets back up. if moving across lagre, open areas, a good battle rifle, somewhat like a cross between the FAL and the SKS, only lighter, and chabered for 6.5mm swede. as it would allow for good long range preformance. if moving through a jungle/heavily forrested area i'd opt for a carbine version of the rifle previousley described for manegability. if we're talking about mechanized warfare, and needed to be as unencumbered as possible, i'd use a sub machine gun based on the Sten, only chaimbered for .357 magnum. this is because it's light, has a good fire rate, and would be able to take care of just about anything i went up against. i mean, if a .357 can kill a bull walrus, it'll do fine against a human. naturally, in all the scenarios i'd have a sidearm and a bayonet. the sidearm would be a modified Hi Power, chaimbered for 9x25mm. simply because, after shooting several military-grade pistols, including the M92, the .38 special revolver, the Astra .380, and the Hi Power, i have found the Hi Power is the most comfortable to shoot, has a nice refire rate, an compfrotable amount of ready ammunition, and is far more reliable than the 92. the bayo would be a Ka-Bar with an unserrated blade. __________________ http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95.../warinmine.gif

02-01-2005, 03:13 PM	#50
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	fer Gods sake.................. so just how many of you armchair Rambo's gonna really be in such a situation??? half of us is just to decrept to do anything but wet our pants, and the rest are still wet behind the ears. the guys in harms way have NO choice in dream weapons, just what Uncle Sam says take.

02-01-2005, 05:07 PM	#51
Dogbert2 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4	M1-A1 carbine Compact, Effective, Realitivly accurate and realiable. :assult:

02-01-2005, 07:56 PM	#52
willypete Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: texas Posts: 51	a professional soldier is a weapon and anything you give him is merely a tool. remember RAMBO II when he said that the mind was the best weapon. all of our cool guns are useless without a someone to pull the trigger...

02-02-2005, 02:54 AM	#54
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	FREEDOM'S JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR...NOTHIN' LEFT TO LOSE. movie scenarios aside. i beleive the slow erosion of our freedom and liberty will be a little bit here a tad there, so that the general populace will not see it coming.

02-02-2005, 05:04 AM	#56
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Images: 6	I'll probably use a flintlock, the bad guys will figure I'm a head case and will leave me alone so as to not risk hurting me. Heck they might even get me some of that free government money so they won't have to feel bad about me working with a medical disorder.

02-05-2005, 06:40 PM	#57
sgtjohnson Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: wherever Posts: 15	I would pick the AK-47 or the M-14. Just because of their reliability. :flame::uzi: :assult:

02-05-2005, 07:35 PM	#58
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	no one said mosin nagant ? :jaw:

02-06-2005, 05:17 AM	#60
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,043 Images: 3	PAPPA G's "frizzen" is always wet... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany