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at4rxj · 04-26-2006, 07:16 PM

So what do you guys think?

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...Id=33803&top=Y

ash · 04-26-2006, 08:19 PM

Too expensive for a .223.

FutureMarine · 04-26-2006, 10:16 PM

go with a daewoo instead. contact me via Private Message for further info and locations on where to buy it. VERY nice rifles

BattleRifleG3 · 04-27-2006, 08:20 AM

FM, you seem to throw the Daewoo into EVERY SINGLE THREAD where people are considering ARs. It's amusing.

At first glance I'd totally agree that the S&W ARs are way too expensive for an AR, but considering how they're configured, they might be competitive for the package. Thing is S&W isn't really making anything far as I understand, they're just contracting to put their name on ARs built with the same parts we buy elsewhere.

silentknight · 04-27-2006, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

FM, you seem to throw the Daewoo into EVERY SINGLE THREAD where people are considering ARs.

Someone keeps doing the same with Steyr whenever new pistols are concerned

J/K

BattleRifleG3 · 04-27-2006, 12:10 PM

But that's only when folks ask.

I don't jump on Beretta and 1911 threads and start plugging the Steyr. Maybe Glock, but there's a history behind that one...

silentknight · 04-27-2006, 12:12 PM

Its true, I'm just giving you crap

at4rxj · 04-27-2006, 01:52 PM

I'm not getting one, don't get me wrong. I just ordered parts to build mine. Just stumbled onto the site and thought I'd share...

Beer Forever · 04-27-2006, 02:58 PM

I'm still mad at S&W

Pred · 04-27-2006, 03:34 PM

Thats a waste of money. I can build that same $1300 rifle for about $750.

BattleRifleG3 · 04-28-2006, 07:59 AM

That gave me an idea. Seems Smith and Wesson is trying to become more of a one-stop shop for LE, and that departments experienced with S&W would favor them over one of the smaller competitive AR makers. Wondering what sort of work would go into offering a product line that would justify the expense of a S&W, I got to thinking - Perhaps PDs could benefit by hiring an armourer of sorts to offer expert advice in choosing duty arms, testing them upon purchase, aiding in their upkeep, and offering instructions to the officers regarding skilled usage and maintenance. Such a person would for example build ARs from inexpensive kits according to department specs, and instead of paying a great deal more for a highly QC'd AR, would pay this person's salary to do it closest to the needs of the department. I'm sure some PDs have something like this and others are too small, but I'm sure there would be some benefit to comparing the costs and advantages of having an in house arms specialist instead of overpaying a gun company like S&W.

gonzo454 · 04-28-2006, 11:06 AM

My only comments are: They do seem a bit pricey, but Smith has a decent rep to follow the price, in my opinion any way, Bushy and Colt are a bit eccentric with their pricing as well. However if G3 is correct and they are not “building” the product, can we reasonably expect realistic comparisons to any of the “Name Brand products”. At any rate I think most brands that manufacture AR’s do a good job, and many do an excellent job, there is no call to spend that much for an AR unless you simply like a NAME on the side of your firearm, which some folks do…personally there are names I like to see on mine…DPMS and Olympic are two of my favorites, while I hear wonderful things about RRA ( the most prolific name I think that is used in multiple forums) I have a tendency to stick with the above mentioned two brands. SO in closing I would think the only real reason to own one is the S&W logo.

Pred · 04-28-2006, 01:09 PM

Alot of people don't realize that most of the lower parts in the lower parts kits are all made by the same people, same thing with the barrels. The main two barrels you'll find are Wilson and Shaw. I think Colt makes their own, and now maybe RRA is starting to, but most use the same two barrels. A forged lower is a forged lower. It doesn't matter if Bushmaster has their logo on it, or Double Star or RRA or Mega or even Wilson Combat, a lower is a lower. A Stag lower costs less then $90, a Bushmaster costs $195 I think. A Wilson Combat lower is more around $260. Theres no need to pay this extra money for something that is the same as everyone elses. The only exception is Colt and the larger pin? holes they use for the their FCG, but even then it's still a forged lower.

BattleRifleG3 · 04-28-2006, 01:34 PM

I believe Bushmaster and Armalite make theirs entirely in-house. Might be worth checking up with the experts on arf.com.

Pred · 04-28-2006, 01:37 PM

Yeah, I'll have to do that. You might be right, anymore theres more then a few AR makers.

Beer Forever · 04-28-2006, 02:01 PM

Armalite is totaly independent of everyone. They sure make a nice .308 rifle. I read a big article on them in Guns and Ammo's AR-15 Guidebook, it is pretty cool.

Trey45 · 04-28-2006, 02:23 PM

Just my humble opinion here, but if you're intent on buying an AR rifle and are willing to spend $1300 or better, why not get a Wilson Combat AR rifle, or .... as the rest have already stated, build one yourself to the specs you want in an AR rifle.

at4rxj · 04-29-2006, 09:20 AM

Right....

And as I did state, I AM building one.

lefty o · 04-29-2006, 11:40 AM

S&W can keep their guns, i will not give them any of my money.

oh , bushmaster builds there own in house-barrels included. actually they do quite a bit of production for other manufacturers too.

Copper · 04-29-2006, 02:54 PM

I don't think that S&W will ever be able to shed the title of being a sell out.

04-26-2006, 07:16 PM	#1
at4rxj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 856 Images: 10	new line So what do you guys think? http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...Id=33803&top=Y

04-27-2006, 08:20 AM	#4
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	FM, you seem to throw the Daewoo into EVERY SINGLE THREAD where people are considering ARs. It's amusing. At first glance I'd totally agree that the S&W ARs are way too expensive for an AR, but considering how they're configured, they might be competitive for the package. Thing is S&W isn't really making anything far as I understand, they're just contracting to put their name on ARs built with the same parts we buy elsewhere. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-27-2006, 12:10 PM	#6
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	But that's only when folks ask. I don't jump on Beretta and 1911 threads and start plugging the Steyr. Maybe Glock, but there's a history behind that one... __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-27-2006, 12:12 PM	#7
silentknight Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,125 Images: 3	Its true, I'm just giving you crap __________________ Sic Vis Pacem Parabellum

04-27-2006, 02:58 PM	#9
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	I'm still mad at S&W __________________ Paramedic sks forever

04-26-2006, 08:19 PM	#2
ash Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 934 Images: 3	Too expensive for a .223.

04-26-2006, 10:16 PM	#3
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946	go with a daewoo instead. contact me via Private Message for further info and locations on where to buy it. VERY nice rifles

04-27-2006, 01:52 PM	#8
at4rxj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 856 Images: 10	I'm not getting one, don't get me wrong. I just ordered parts to build mine. Just stumbled onto the site and thought I'd share...

04-27-2006, 03:34 PM	#10
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Thats a waste of money. I can build that same $1300 rifle for about $750.

04-28-2006, 07:59 AM	#11
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	That gave me an idea. Seems Smith and Wesson is trying to become more of a one-stop shop for LE, and that departments experienced with S&W would favor them over one of the smaller competitive AR makers. Wondering what sort of work would go into offering a product line that would justify the expense of a S&W, I got to thinking - Perhaps PDs could benefit by hiring an armourer of sorts to offer expert advice in choosing duty arms, testing them upon purchase, aiding in their upkeep, and offering instructions to the officers regarding skilled usage and maintenance. Such a person would for example build ARs from inexpensive kits according to department specs, and instead of paying a great deal more for a highly QC'd AR, would pay this person's salary to do it closest to the needs of the department. I'm sure some PDs have something like this and others are too small, but I'm sure there would be some benefit to comparing the costs and advantages of having an in house arms specialist instead of overpaying a gun company like S&W. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-28-2006, 11:06 AM	#12
gonzo454 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 111	My only comments are: They do seem a bit pricey, but Smith has a decent rep to follow the price, in my opinion any way, Bushy and Colt are a bit eccentric with their pricing as well. However if G3 is correct and they are not “building” the product, can we reasonably expect realistic comparisons to any of the “Name Brand products”. At any rate I think most brands that manufacture AR’s do a good job, and many do an excellent job, there is no call to spend that much for an AR unless you simply like a NAME on the side of your firearm, which some folks do…personally there are names I like to see on mine…DPMS and Olympic are two of my favorites, while I hear wonderful things about RRA ( the most prolific name I think that is used in multiple forums) I have a tendency to stick with the above mentioned two brands. SO in closing I would think the only real reason to own one is the S&W logo.

04-28-2006, 01:09 PM	#13
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Alot of people don't realize that most of the lower parts in the lower parts kits are all made by the same people, same thing with the barrels. The main two barrels you'll find are Wilson and Shaw. I think Colt makes their own, and now maybe RRA is starting to, but most use the same two barrels. A forged lower is a forged lower. It doesn't matter if Bushmaster has their logo on it, or Double Star or RRA or Mega or even Wilson Combat, a lower is a lower. A Stag lower costs less then $90, a Bushmaster costs $195 I think. A Wilson Combat lower is more around $260. Theres no need to pay this extra money for something that is the same as everyone elses. The only exception is Colt and the larger pin? holes they use for the their FCG, but even then it's still a forged lower.

04-28-2006, 01:34 PM	#14
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	I believe Bushmaster and Armalite make theirs entirely in-house. Might be worth checking up with the experts on arf.com. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-28-2006, 01:37 PM	#15
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Yeah, I'll have to do that. You might be right, anymore theres more then a few AR makers.

04-28-2006, 02:01 PM	#16
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	Armalite is totaly independent of everyone. They sure make a nice .308 rifle. I read a big article on them in Guns and Ammo's AR-15 Guidebook, it is pretty cool. __________________ Paramedic sks forever

04-28-2006, 02:23 PM	#17
Trey45 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 244 Images: 3	Just my humble opinion here, but if you're intent on buying an AR rifle and are willing to spend $1300 or better, why not get a Wilson Combat AR rifle, or .... as the rest have already stated, build one yourself to the specs you want in an AR rifle.

04-29-2006, 09:20 AM	#18
at4rxj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 856 Images: 10	Right.... And as I did state, I AM building one.

04-29-2006, 11:40 AM	#19
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,806	S&W can keep their guns, i will not give them any of my money. oh , bushmaster builds there own in house-barrels included. actually they do quite a bit of production for other manufacturers too.

04-29-2006, 02:54 PM	#20
Copper Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Southern "Mizzeruh" Posts: 246	I don't think that S&W will ever be able to shed the title of being a sell out.