First time Building what do i need to get.

Silent · 05-26-2006, 04:02 PM

I posted in the General rifle area but found this would be the best place for it. I want to build myself a ar-15 that is a varmint style. I had seen a kit from M-1 there Varmint kit i was looking at but from what i have been reading i could build myself one for less or the same but better parts custom for me. So i need to know what parts do i need to do a build and such. And waht you guys know is a good part from another.

at4rxj · 05-26-2006, 04:31 PM

Go to the ar-15 main forum page here. At the bottom, change it to display the last 75 days instead of 30, and then read every single thread from front to back, and you will literally know just about everything about the basic building, what to look for, where to get a good diagram/instructions to put together, and which parts are better for what.

Here's a quick summary...

-Start with the lower receiver (stripped). Any major brand will do fine. I started with a Stag Arms I bought from AIM Surplus.
-Then order a lower parts kit from Rock River Arms. I've shot one with and without their NM two-stage trigger, and the two stage is VERY nice, but to start out with not necesesary. If you have the extra $100 to spend on it, go for it.
-Pick what upper you want to order. As long as you get a major brand name you'll be ok. I got mine from Model 1 Sales, which I found to be cheaper than Rock River Arms and the others. Rock River Arms seems to make a very good product though. Olympic Arms has a lot of cool variations. The possibilities here are endless.
-Finally, pick a stock that won't look stupid with the upper you get. (in other words, I think it looks funny to have a tactical entry stock with a 24" heavy varmint barrel, but to each his own I guess...)

If you have any questions other than what I told you, ask Pred or USMC on here. They seem to be a plethora of information.

If you want to simplify it, order a stripped lower and then the complete rifle kit Rock River Arms has. It's a 16" car style with the two stage trigger, and it's cheap and good. My brother-in-law just built that for his.

good luck

Silent · 05-26-2006, 04:34 PM

Thanks that will help alot. I will want the uper as varmint but also a spare thats a normal for target pratice and stuff

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USMC · 05-26-2006, 06:10 PM

I would buy a complete lower with whatever type of stock you want on it, Then buy a complete upper in the configuration you want.

I recommend a Stag lower because they are top quality and great prices.
For an upper, the question is what barrel length. IMHO there is no need for a 24 inch barrel in .223 and how much are you willing to spend?

Silent · 05-26-2006, 06:19 PM

Ok where can i find that lower at ? So a 20 '' would be fine good. Spend i really dont want to go over 800 i mean the less to be able to use right now would be great then add on later that would be great. Also i heard that if you get a 5.56 NATO you can camber a .223Rem with no problem is that true ? And which should i get ?

USMC · 05-26-2006, 09:48 PM

5.56 will shoot .223 but you shouldn't do the opposite. A .223 chamber is supposed to be a little more accurate. I always use Lone star wholesalers: http://www.lonestarwholesale.com/2.html I belive they are in dallas and they are at alot of gunshows. Robbie is great to do buisness with!

Silent · 05-26-2006, 09:53 PM

Ill look into the parts and hope to get more info here. Ill get the 5.56NATO so i can be able to shoot both. And then ill post the parts to see if my ar-15 is good and ready to be made.

at4rxj · 05-27-2006, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMC

I would buy a complete lower with whatever type of stock you want on it, Then buy a complete upper in the configuration you want.
I recommend a Stag lower because they are top quality and great prices.
For an upper, the question is what barrel length. IMHO there is no need for a 24 inch barrel in .223 and how much are you willing to spend?

See, I know you know what you're talking about, but I disagree with you on the idea of buying the complete lower. As cheap as replacement parts are, even if something gets messed up putting it together, it's an excellent learning experience. Also, I think it's especially crucial when starting to build a rifle like this to know and fully understand how everything works inside.

USMC · 05-27-2006, 11:10 AM

I understand where where coming from, but I believe you should wait till your second or third AR before you start that under taking. Sure it's very easy to do and I'm positive Silent could do it but I think you should have some experience with an AR first. Also it's nice to have one to look at in person when you do it for the first time. Sometimes the pics and instructions don't quit make sense. Any why, If you decide to build it yourself I'll be glad to help in any way I can and I will provide you with some how to links if you need them!

Silent · 05-27-2006, 11:18 AM

Yea i think im going to build it. Just looking at the parts I'm taking your advice on the lower to get it from Stag a lower thats 150 from lone Star. But then i had seen from another site that it can have a 2 stage trigger. So which would be best If i can find it from Stag.

Pred · 05-27-2006, 08:09 PM

I'd build it. It took me about 90 minutes to build my lower, and thats with eating and watching TV. I had no experience with them before, one of the simplest things I've done.

Silent · 05-27-2006, 08:42 PM

God this is making me want to build it stripped but i dont know if i can do it right and not screw up on it.

USMC · 05-27-2006, 10:38 PM

I could train a blind monkey to do it! I'm sure you would have no trouble. There are several good how to guides on the internet and I'll help you all I can! I sent you a PM

Silent · 05-27-2006, 10:46 PM

Thanks i read the manual it seems easy to do. Now lets get down to parts for the lower upper i got down. But lower if i get it stripped from Stag what esle do i need and which parts should i get ?

at4rxj · 05-28-2006, 08:54 AM

You said the Stag Arms lower was $150?

http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Rifles.html
All the way at the bottom, $99. That's where I got mine.

If you can spend the extra $100, go for the Rock River Arms lower parts kit with the NM two stage trigger. The trigger comes assembled which eliminates some of the assembly time, and it's nice. I have shot both side by side, and while there's not a HUGE difference, it's enough to where if I could go back I'd get the two stage instead of the standard.

Check out the Rock River Arms complete rifle kit.
http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-de...TOKEN=64801475
I put one together, and it's nice.

05-26-2006, 04:02 PM	#1
Silent Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greenville,Texas Posts: 23 Images: 1	First time Building what do i need to get. I posted in the General rifle area but found this would be the best place for it. I want to build myself a ar-15 that is a varmint style. I had seen a kit from M-1 there Varmint kit i was looking at but from what i have been reading i could build myself one for less or the same but better parts custom for me. So i need to know what parts do i need to do a build and such. And waht you guys know is a good part from another.

05-26-2006, 04:31 PM	#2
at4rxj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 856 Images: 10	Go to the ar-15 main forum page here. At the bottom, change it to display the last 75 days instead of 30, and then read every single thread from front to back, and you will literally know just about everything about the basic building, what to look for, where to get a good diagram/instructions to put together, and which parts are better for what. Here's a quick summary... -Start with the lower receiver (stripped). Any major brand will do fine. I started with a Stag Arms I bought from AIM Surplus. -Then order a lower parts kit from Rock River Arms. I've shot one with and without their NM two-stage trigger, and the two stage is VERY nice, but to start out with not necesesary. If you have the extra $100 to spend on it, go for it. -Pick what upper you want to order. As long as you get a major brand name you'll be ok. I got mine from Model 1 Sales, which I found to be cheaper than Rock River Arms and the others. Rock River Arms seems to make a very good product though. Olympic Arms has a lot of cool variations. The possibilities here are endless. -Finally, pick a stock that won't look stupid with the upper you get. (in other words, I think it looks funny to have a tactical entry stock with a 24" heavy varmint barrel, but to each his own I guess...) If you have any questions other than what I told you, ask Pred or USMC on here. They seem to be a plethora of information. If you want to simplify it, order a stripped lower and then the complete rifle kit Rock River Arms has. It's a 16" car style with the two stage trigger, and it's cheap and good. My brother-in-law just built that for his. good luck

05-26-2006, 04:34 PM	#3
Silent Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greenville,Texas Posts: 23 Images: 1	Thanks that will help alot. I will want the uper as varmint but also a spare thats a normal for target pratice and stuff .

05-26-2006, 06:10 PM	#4
USMC Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 280	I would buy a complete lower with whatever type of stock you want on it, Then buy a complete upper in the configuration you want. I recommend a Stag lower because they are top quality and great prices. For an upper, the question is what barrel length. IMHO there is no need for a 24 inch barrel in .223 and how much are you willing to spend?

05-26-2006, 06:19 PM	#5
Silent Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greenville,Texas Posts: 23 Images: 1	Ok where can i find that lower at ? So a 20 '' would be fine good. Spend i really dont want to go over 800 i mean the less to be able to use right now would be great then add on later that would be great. Also i heard that if you get a 5.56 NATO you can camber a .223Rem with no problem is that true ? And which should i get ?

05-26-2006, 09:48 PM	#6
USMC Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 280	5.56 will shoot .223 but you shouldn't do the opposite. A .223 chamber is supposed to be a little more accurate. I always use Lone star wholesalers: http://www.lonestarwholesale.com/2.html I belive they are in dallas and they are at alot of gunshows. Robbie is great to do buisness with!

05-26-2006, 09:53 PM	#7
Silent Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greenville,Texas Posts: 23 Images: 1	Ill look into the parts and hope to get more info here. Ill get the 5.56NATO so i can be able to shoot both. And then ill post the parts to see if my ar-15 is good and ready to be made.

05-27-2006, 11:10 AM	#9
USMC Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 280	I understand where where coming from, but I believe you should wait till your second or third AR before you start that under taking. Sure it's very easy to do and I'm positive Silent could do it but I think you should have some experience with an AR first. Also it's nice to have one to look at in person when you do it for the first time. Sometimes the pics and instructions don't quit make sense. Any why, If you decide to build it yourself I'll be glad to help in any way I can and I will provide you with some how to links if you need them!

05-27-2006, 11:18 AM	#10
Silent Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greenville,Texas Posts: 23 Images: 1	Yea i think im going to build it. Just looking at the parts I'm taking your advice on the lower to get it from Stag a lower thats 150 from lone Star. But then i had seen from another site that it can have a 2 stage trigger. So which would be best If i can find it from Stag.

05-27-2006, 08:09 PM	#11
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	I'd build it. It took me about 90 minutes to build my lower, and thats with eating and watching TV. I had no experience with them before, one of the simplest things I've done.

05-27-2006, 08:42 PM	#12
Silent Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greenville,Texas Posts: 23 Images: 1	God this is making me want to build it stripped but i dont know if i can do it right and not screw up on it.

05-27-2006, 10:38 PM	#13
USMC Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 280	I could train a blind monkey to do it! I'm sure you would have no trouble. There are several good how to guides on the internet and I'll help you all I can! I sent you a PM

05-27-2006, 10:46 PM	#14
Silent Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greenville,Texas Posts: 23 Images: 1	Thanks i read the manual it seems easy to do. Now lets get down to parts for the lower upper i got down. But lower if i get it stripped from Stag what esle do i need and which parts should i get ?

05-28-2006, 08:54 AM	#15
at4rxj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 856 Images: 10	You said the Stag Arms lower was $150? http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Rifles.html All the way at the bottom, $99. That's where I got mine. If you can spend the extra $100, go for the Rock River Arms lower parts kit with the NM two stage trigger. The trigger comes assembled which eliminates some of the assembly time, and it's nice. I have shot both side by side, and while there's not a HUGE difference, it's enough to where if I could go back I'd get the two stage instead of the standard. Check out the Rock River Arms complete rifle kit. http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-de...TOKEN=64801475 I put one together, and it's nice.