M16 vs. AK-47

Triplesixkoe · 07-03-2006, 11:52 PM

Today I was shooting my M16 at the local range when I was approached by an older man who had a full auto AK-47. We started talking right from the get go because we both had automatic rifles. But things soon went sour, He was saying that the AK is a far more superior weapon because of its ability to withstand harsh conditions and its dependability. I told him that if we were in a fire fight with each other that I would much rather carry the M16 and he argued that the .223 round was inferior compared to his 7.62 x 39. I wasn't surprised that I could hit my target far better than he could but he then asked to fire my rifle to prove he was a better shot with the AK. I declined because I was still the better shot...I still can't believe that he honestly thinks the AK is superior to the M16. Am I wrong or something??? Somebody please tell me this guy is nuts...

fordruid · 07-03-2006, 11:55 PM

Depends on how you define 'Better'

Chris · 07-04-2006, 12:25 AM

I like the M16...but the AK is a looser gun so it can actually rust up, but if you spray it with oil and open the bolt it will start working again...

can't say the same about the AR.

Then again..it depends on what you need it to do.

FutureMarine · 07-04-2006, 12:37 AM

i would take the AK to combat because of the reliability.

Off topic, but do you have to get special permission to fire class 3 guns(like both of yours) at your range

Triplesixkoe · 07-04-2006, 12:38 AM

Not if you show proper documentation of your weapon

FutureMarine · 07-04-2006, 12:39 AM

well when i fired the m4 right after the AK at a full auto range(both were in easy 5 round bursts) the ar was more controllable, but thats because it is a smaller round of course. I still choose the AK :right:

Rex Kramer · 07-04-2006, 06:17 AM

Stoner designed the AR series with accuracy a first priority. He also designed it as a semi-auto.
The military added the full-auto requirement.
The initial approval was for semi-auto rifles to the USAF, to replace the aging M1/M2 Carbines used to guard nuclear sites.
The .223 gave them longer range, equal recoil, and easy training.
Stoner actually liked the 63 and 63A system for a true military weapon.
He had upgraded the reliability, and enhanced the total flexibility of the package in this.

M16 vs. AK47 = AK all the way. :full:

In semi-auto mode I'll take the M16/AR or better yet the semi-auto M14 type rifle

FutureMarine · 07-04-2006, 02:27 PM

the m14 was the best weapon to go into american service

Ach Du Liebe · 07-04-2006, 04:31 PM

nope sorry M1 Garand

mm_christ · 07-04-2006, 04:50 PM

amen to the M1 baby!

Rex Kramer · 07-04-2006, 05:15 PM

Even though the M1 Garand was the first MBR I learned
to shoot (What a great rifle!) I'll stay with the M14 MBR.

USMC · 07-04-2006, 11:38 PM

This debate will never be won by either side and I hate to get caught up in this discussion but I'll take the M16, 5.56 any day over the AK and 7.62x39!

FutureMarine · 07-05-2006, 12:54 AM

is that just because you have 20 AR's USMC

USMC · 07-05-2006, 11:35 AM

:joker:

FutureMarine · 07-05-2006, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ach Du Liebe

nope sorry M1 Garand

the only time i can agree to that is when you are comparing its FEATURES to the features of the other guns in its era. I like the m14 more cause it is more handy (mag fed, 20 rds) and you dont have to fiddle with the garand clips

dhermesc · 07-05-2006, 02:08 PM

As a personal weapon I'd take an AR over an AK anyday. Unless you're the lazyest SOB to ever, you'll never use your rifle in "Combat Conditions".

FutureMarine · 07-05-2006, 02:21 PM

o well i didnt know a preference made you the laziest SOB ever

gonzo454 · 07-05-2006, 10:51 PM

I assume the “lazy” comment is directed at the issue of cleanliness and reliability of the AR as it relates. Though I would personally take the AR over the AK, I do have a tendency to agree that this argument is about as useful as the “chicken VS egg” argument…who cares which was first, we eat what we like. Same with rifles…we shoot what we like.

rugermarksman · 07-06-2006, 10:56 AM

Amen!

(PS I'm an AK guy.)

mm_christ · 07-06-2006, 11:43 AM

good statement there man! I'll be using the ar down in texas when I go to basic here soon. I love the ar's for their accuracy

07-03-2006, 11:52 PM	#1
Triplesixkoe Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida Posts: 127	M16 vs. AK-47 Today I was shooting my M16 at the local range when I was approached by an older man who had a full auto AK-47. We started talking right from the get go because we both had automatic rifles. But things soon went sour, He was saying that the AK is a far more superior weapon because of its ability to withstand harsh conditions and its dependability. I told him that if we were in a fire fight with each other that I would much rather carry the M16 and he argued that the .223 round was inferior compared to his 7.62 x 39. I wasn't surprised that I could hit my target far better than he could but he then asked to fire my rifle to prove he was a better shot with the AK. I declined because I was still the better shot...I still can't believe that he honestly thinks the AK is superior to the M16. Am I wrong or something??? Somebody please tell me this guy is nuts...

07-04-2006, 12:25 AM	#3
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,167 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 18	I like the M16...but the AK is a looser gun so it can actually rust up, but if you spray it with oil and open the bolt it will start working again... can't say the same about the AR. Then again..it depends on what you need it to do. __________________ Rules \| Contributing Members No one has the right to deny my personal safety Please be descriptive in your thread titles!

07-04-2006, 12:37 AM	#4
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946	i would take the AK to combat because of the reliability. Off topic, but do you have to get special permission to fire class 3 guns(like both of yours) at your range __________________ Semper Fi

07-04-2006, 12:39 AM	#6
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946	well when i fired the m4 right after the AK at a full auto range(both were in easy 5 round bursts) the ar was more controllable, but thats because it is a smaller round of course. I still choose the AK :right: __________________ Semper Fi

07-04-2006, 02:27 PM	#8
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946	the m14 was the best weapon to go into american service __________________ Semper Fi

07-03-2006, 11:55 PM	#2
fordruid Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 156	Depends on how you define 'Better'

07-04-2006, 12:38 AM	#5
Triplesixkoe Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida Posts: 127	Not if you show proper documentation of your weapon

07-04-2006, 06:17 AM	#7
Rex Kramer Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 395	Stoner designed the AR series with accuracy a first priority. He also designed it as a semi-auto. The military added the full-auto requirement. The initial approval was for semi-auto rifles to the USAF, to replace the aging M1/M2 Carbines used to guard nuclear sites. The .223 gave them longer range, equal recoil, and easy training. Stoner actually liked the 63 and 63A system for a true military weapon. He had upgraded the reliability, and enhanced the total flexibility of the package in this. M16 vs. AK47 = AK all the way. :full: In semi-auto mode I'll take the M16/AR or better yet the semi-auto M14 type rifle

07-04-2006, 04:31 PM	#9
Ach Du Liebe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pasco, Washington Posts: 166	nope sorry M1 Garand __________________ tic tac sir?

07-04-2006, 04:50 PM	#10
mm_christ Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: RAF Mildenhall 100 ARW Posts: 235	amen to the M1 baby! __________________ I belong to the chair force...literally!!!

07-04-2006, 05:15 PM	#11
Rex Kramer Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 395	M14 4 Me Even though the M1 Garand was the first MBR I learned to shoot (What a great rifle!) I'll stay with the M14 MBR.

07-04-2006, 11:38 PM	#12
USMC Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 280	This debate will never be won by either side and I hate to get caught up in this discussion but I'll take the M16, 5.56 any day over the AK and 7.62x39!

07-05-2006, 12:54 AM	#13
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946	is that just because you have 20 AR's USMC __________________ Semper Fi

07-05-2006, 11:35 AM	#14
USMC Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 280	:joker:

07-05-2006, 02:08 PM	#16
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,762	As a personal weapon I'd take an AR over an AK anyday. Unless you're the lazyest SOB to ever, you'll never use your rifle in "Combat Conditions". __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

07-05-2006, 02:21 PM	#17
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,946	o well i didnt know a preference made you the laziest SOB ever __________________ Semper Fi

07-05-2006, 10:51 PM	#18
gonzo454 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 111	I assume the “lazy” comment is directed at the issue of cleanliness and reliability of the AR as it relates. Though I would personally take the AR over the AK, I do have a tendency to agree that this argument is about as useful as the “chicken VS egg” argument…who cares which was first, we eat what we like. Same with rifles…we shoot what we like.

07-06-2006, 10:56 AM	#19
rugermarksman Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southeastern CT Posts: 57	Amen! (PS I'm an AK guy.)

07-06-2006, 11:43 AM	#20
mm_christ Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: RAF Mildenhall 100 ARW Posts: 235	good statement there man! I'll be using the ar down in texas when I go to basic here soon. I love the ar's for their accuracy __________________ I belong to the chair force...literally!!!