3 choices whats the diff?

knightRider · 02-26-2007, 11:04 AM

DPMS Panther Carbine 16 223, 16 Inch Barrel, Birdcage Flashhider, A2 Upper

Price: $692.99
Suggested Retail: $799.00
Manufacturer: DPMS
Manufacturer Item #: RFA2-PCAR16
Impact Item #: DPMS-RFA2-P16
Out of stock: Ships in 3-4 weeks. Accepting orders.
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Bipod not Included

Specifications:

Barrel: 16 Inch with Birdcage Flash hider
4140 Chrome-moly steel
Manganese phosphated
Twist: 6 groove right-handed 1x9 twist, button rifled
Chamber: 5.56 x 45mm Rem
Method of Operation: Gas operated rotating bolt
Bolt & Carrier: Chrome plated 8620 steel bolt carrier, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec.
Phosphated steel bolt, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec.
Sights: Standard A2 front sight assembly
Weight: Empty - 7.06 lbs
Length: Extended- 36 3/8, Collapsed- 32 5/8
Upper Configuration: A2 fixed carry handle and rear site adjustable for windage and elevation, forged
Upper Receiver: 7075-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy
Upper Finish: Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black
Dust cover
Shell deflector
Round forward assist
Right hand ejection
Lower Receiver: Forged 7075-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy
Lower Coating: Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black
Semi-auto trigger group
Aluminum trigger guard
Aluminum magazine release button
Stock: AP4 - 6 position, telescoping fiber reinforced polymer
Handguards: GlacierGuards, Oval carbine length, aluminum delta ring

ARML 15A2C M15A2 223 CAR GRN

Price: $873.99
Suggested Retail: $1,100.00
Manufacturer: ARMALITE INC
Manufacturer Item #: 15A2C
Impact Item #: 651984117354
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The M-15A2 Carbine version of the M-15A2 rifle, the .223 caliber twin to the popular AR-10A2. Armalite's exclusive mid-length handguards provide the handiness of a 16 inch long barrel, flexibility in grip position and an optimal gas pulse to power the operating system. *Comes with one 30-round magazine, sling, owners manual and Limited Lifetime Warranty.

DPMS AP4 Panther Carbine 223, 16 Inch, A3 Upper, M4 Barrel, Chrome Upgrade

Price: $819.99
Suggested Retail: $949.99
Manufacturer: DPMS
Manufacturer Item #: RFA2-AP4AAP4CR
Impact Item #: DPMS-RFA2AP4AAP4CR
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Bipod not Included. Chrome lined barrel.

NOTE: This is the most popular configuration of AR15

Specifications:

Barrel: 16 Inch 4140 Chrome-moly steel M4 contour
Manganese phosphated
Twist: 6 groove right-handed 1x9 twist, button rifled
Flash Suppressor: A2 Birdcage flashhider
Chamber: 5.56 x 45mm Rem
Method of Operation: Gas operated rotating bolt
Bolt & Carrier: Chrome plated 8620 steel bolt carrier, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec.
Phosphated steel bolt, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec
Sights: Standard A2 sight assembly
Weight: Empty - 7 lbs
Length: 36 3/8 Extended, 32 5/8 Collapsed
Upper Configuration: A3 Flattop with detachable carry handle and rear sight adjustable for windage and elevation, forged
Upper Receiver: 7075-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy
Upper Finish: Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black
Dust cover
Shell deflector
Round forward assist
Right hand ejection
Lower Receiver: Forged 7075-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy
Lower Coating: Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black
Semi-auto trigger group
Aluminum trigger guard
Aluminum magazine release button
Stock: AP4 (M4) 6 position, telescoping fiber reinforced polymer
Handguards: GlacierGuards, Oval carbine length, aluminum delta ring

whats the best one of these for the price???????

thanks

USMC · 02-26-2007, 12:59 PM

If limited to your 3 choices I'd pick the Armalite or the DPMS with the M4 profile. It really all depends on if you want a midlength gas system and a fixed carry handle (Armalite) or a Carbine gas system and a removable carry handle (DPMS). I'd probably go the M4 DPMS then the Armalite.

Pred · 02-26-2007, 01:04 PM

Yeah, I'd go with the M4 also. Hmm, lets see. Take a look at this KnightRider. I did a config on Del-Ton.com with their M4 rifle kit.

Item Name: 16" M4 Rifle Kit
Item Price: $595.00
Options:
# M4 Rifle Kit -Barrel: DTI 16" M4 Chrome Lined 1x9
# M4 Rifle Kit -Handguards:CAR Handguard with Heat Shields-Black
# Rifle Kit -BC:Standard Bolt & Carrier
# Rifle Kit -Buttstock:M4 Buttstock - Black
# Rifle Kit -Carrying Handle: Detachable Carrying Handle (Flat Top's ONLY)
# Rifle Kit -Flash Hiders:A2 Flash Hider
# Rifle Kit -Gas Blocks:Standard A2 Front Sight
# Rifle Kit -Grips:A2 Grip - Black
# Rifle Kit -Lower Parts:Standard Lower Parts
# Rifle Kit -T Handle:Standard Charging Handle
# Rifle Kit -Uppers:Flat Top Upper with T-Marks

Throw in $100 for a stripped lower and you've just built the same thing for $100 less.

knightRider · 02-26-2007, 01:25 PM

how many pieces does the kit come in pred?

thanks for the answer guys

Pred · 02-26-2007, 01:28 PM

The upper would already be assembled. You'd probably have the upper come in one bag, the lower parts kit in another. Then the stock, spring and tube in another bag. The bolt carrier group and charging handle together, and then the carry handle. I'm not for sure, just a guess. I'm guessing your wondering about the upper though, don't worry, it's already assembled.

knightRider · 02-26-2007, 01:29 PM

so pretty easy to manage ?

What Lower would be good?
thanks again

Pred · 02-26-2007, 01:32 PM

It should take you about 90 minutes or so to put together an AR lower, but yes, it's pretty simple. All you really need are a few tools(like a small hammer, pliers, a screw driver.. stuff like that). While there are certain tools that make the job easier, there not required. If you can put a model together, you can build a lower.

knightRider · 02-26-2007, 01:52 PM

I called and they say the kit comes all together < the upper)you just add the striped lower !!! This is what im deff gonna do thinks pred!

Pred · 02-26-2007, 03:30 PM

Look at AIMSurplus.com. They've got Stag and Superior Arms stripped lowers for under $100. You'll just have to have an FFL order it for you.

BattleRifleG3 · 02-26-2007, 05:42 PM

I'd like a mid length handguard myself. I'd also like a 18" barrel. Guess I'm just stuck in the middle and can't be satisfied. Maybe that's why I'm out of ARs at the moment.

02-26-2007, 11:04 AM	#1
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,680 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	3 choices whats the diff? DPMS Panther Carbine 16 223, 16 Inch Barrel, Birdcage Flashhider, A2 Upper Price: $692.99 Suggested Retail: $799.00 Manufacturer: DPMS Manufacturer Item #: RFA2-PCAR16 Impact Item #: DPMS-RFA2-P16 Out of stock: Ships in 3-4 weeks. Accepting orders. [Add to Cart] [Add to Wishlist] [View Cart] Bipod not Included Specifications: Barrel: 16 Inch with Birdcage Flash hider 4140 Chrome-moly steel Manganese phosphated Twist: 6 groove right-handed 1x9 twist, button rifled Chamber: 5.56 x 45mm Rem Method of Operation: Gas operated rotating bolt Bolt & Carrier: Chrome plated 8620 steel bolt carrier, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec. Phosphated steel bolt, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec. Sights: Standard A2 front sight assembly Weight: Empty - 7.06 lbs Length: Extended- 36 3/8, Collapsed- 32 5/8 Upper Configuration: A2 fixed carry handle and rear site adjustable for windage and elevation, forged Upper Receiver: 7075-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy Upper Finish: Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black Dust cover Shell deflector Round forward assist Right hand ejection Lower Receiver: Forged 7075-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy Lower Coating: Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black Semi-auto trigger group Aluminum trigger guard Aluminum magazine release button Stock: AP4 - 6 position, telescoping fiber reinforced polymer Handguards: GlacierGuards, Oval carbine length, aluminum delta ring ARML 15A2C M15A2 223 CAR GRN Price: $873.99 Suggested Retail: $1,100.00 Manufacturer: ARMALITE INC Manufacturer Item #: 15A2C Impact Item #: 651984117354 Out of stock, accepting orders. [Add to Cart] [Add to Wishlist] [View Cart] The M-15A2 Carbine version of the M-15A2 rifle, the .223 caliber twin to the popular AR-10A2. Armalite's exclusive mid-length handguards provide the handiness of a 16 inch long barrel, flexibility in grip position and an optimal gas pulse to power the operating system. Comes with one 30-round magazine, sling, owners manual and Limited Lifetime Warranty. DPMS AP4 Panther Carbine 223, 16 Inch, A3 Upper, M4 Barrel, Chrome Upgrade* Price: $819.99 Suggested Retail: $949.99 Manufacturer: DPMS Manufacturer Item #: RFA2-AP4AAP4CR Impact Item #: DPMS-RFA2AP4AAP4CR Out of stock: Ships in 3-4 weeks. Accepting orders. [Add to Cart] [Add to Wishlist] [View Cart] Bipod not Included. Chrome lined barrel. NOTE: This is the most popular configuration of AR15 Specifications: Barrel: 16 Inch 4140 Chrome-moly steel M4 contour Manganese phosphated Twist: 6 groove right-handed 1x9 twist, button rifled Flash Suppressor: A2 Birdcage flashhider Chamber: 5.56 x 45mm Rem Method of Operation: Gas operated rotating bolt Bolt & Carrier: Chrome plated 8620 steel bolt carrier, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec. Phosphated steel bolt, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec Sights: Standard A2 sight assembly Weight: Empty - 7 lbs Length: 36 3/8 Extended, 32 5/8 Collapsed Upper Configuration: A3 Flattop with detachable carry handle and rear sight adjustable for windage and elevation, forged Upper Receiver: 7075-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy Upper Finish: Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black Dust cover Shell deflector Round forward assist Right hand ejection Lower Receiver: Forged 7075-T6 aircraft aluminum alloy Lower Coating: Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon coated black Semi-auto trigger group Aluminum trigger guard Aluminum magazine release button Stock: AP4 (M4) 6 position, telescoping fiber reinforced polymer Handguards: GlacierGuards, Oval carbine length, aluminum delta ring whats the best one of these for the price??????? thanks

02-26-2007, 12:59 PM	#2
USMC Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 280	If limited to your 3 choices I'd pick the Armalite or the DPMS with the M4 profile. It really all depends on if you want a midlength gas system and a fixed carry handle (Armalite) or a Carbine gas system and a removable carry handle (DPMS). I'd probably go the M4 DPMS then the Armalite. Last edited by USMC; 02-26-2007 at 01:19 PM.

02-26-2007, 01:25 PM	#4
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,680 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	how many pieces does the kit come in pred? thanks for the answer guys Last edited by knightRider; 02-26-2007 at 01:25 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

02-26-2007, 01:29 PM	#6
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,680 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	so pretty easy to manage ? What Lower would be good? thanks again Last edited by knightRider; 02-26-2007 at 01:31 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

02-26-2007, 05:42 PM	#10
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	I'd like a mid length handguard myself. I'd also like a 18" barrel. Guess I'm just stuck in the middle and can't be satisfied. Maybe that's why I'm out of ARs at the moment. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

02-26-2007, 01:04 PM	#3
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Yeah, I'd go with the M4 also. Hmm, lets see. Take a look at this KnightRider. I did a config on Del-Ton.com with their M4 rifle kit. Item Name: 16" M4 Rifle Kit Item Price: $595.00 Options: # M4 Rifle Kit -Barrel: DTI 16" M4 Chrome Lined 1x9 # M4 Rifle Kit -Handguards:CAR Handguard with Heat Shields-Black # Rifle Kit -BC:Standard Bolt & Carrier # Rifle Kit -Buttstock:M4 Buttstock - Black # Rifle Kit -Carrying Handle: Detachable Carrying Handle (Flat Top's ONLY) # Rifle Kit -Flash Hiders:A2 Flash Hider # Rifle Kit -Gas Blocks:Standard A2 Front Sight # Rifle Kit -Grips:A2 Grip - Black # Rifle Kit -Lower Parts:Standard Lower Parts # Rifle Kit -T Handle:Standard Charging Handle # Rifle Kit -Uppers:Flat Top Upper with T-Marks Throw in $100 for a stripped lower and you've just built the same thing for $100 less.

02-26-2007, 01:28 PM	#5
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	The upper would already be assembled. You'd probably have the upper come in one bag, the lower parts kit in another. Then the stock, spring and tube in another bag. The bolt carrier group and charging handle together, and then the carry handle. I'm not for sure, just a guess. I'm guessing your wondering about the upper though, don't worry, it's already assembled.

02-26-2007, 01:32 PM	#7
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	It should take you about 90 minutes or so to put together an AR lower, but yes, it's pretty simple. All you really need are a few tools(like a small hammer, pliers, a screw driver.. stuff like that). While there are certain tools that make the job easier, there not required. If you can put a model together, you can build a lower.

02-26-2007, 01:52 PM	#8
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,680 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	I called and they say the kit comes all together < the upper)you just add the striped lower !!! This is what im deff gonna do thinks pred!

02-26-2007, 03:30 PM	#9
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Look at AIMSurplus.com. They've got Stag and Superior Arms stripped lowers for under $100. You'll just have to have an FFL order it for you.